Obama Ends The Ban On Gays In The Military

[NicoleLJ]

BTW, if you think 'every other military' accepts gays in service with no issues, I've got a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You won't hear anything about the hazing and assaults that happen in the US Military after this, and we're OPEN to the media.

I never said no issues I implied only a little issue. But that is Canada. In the States I have stated that I do believe there will be issues. I have said that prior. But I also believe that they will be over come as time goes on.

[Lady's Human]

do you really think the US military personel are that full of bigotry? Because I have know tons of them and none of the ones I have ever met, lived on the base with(American soldiers did come to our bases at times for training coarses), and talked to never felt this way. They didn't care actually.

Of course they did, and I'm also completely certain that that question was first and foremost in your mind when talking to foreign troops.

You have no idea about the amount of briefings US soldiers go through when going to a foreign country about proper contact with foreign nationals, what to say, what not to say, etc. I've been to Canadian bases for training a few times. You know how much contact we had and time to mingle with the locals we had? No contact except for the occasional chow trip or pogey bait run.We were out in the bush for all but three days out of the three weeks we were in CFB Gagetown, and that's the norm for US Army units training on foreign bases.

[Lady's Human]

As an aside, to be completely consistent, it's PRESIDENT Obama, or Pres. Obama, etc.

It's really grating when people don't use the proper address for someone, regardless of your opinion of the individual.

[NicoleLJ]

Perhaps the reason why other countries have embraced this before the U.S., is that their population is considerably smaller and maybe they just had take what they could get. Perhaps their standards are lower too. Not saying that these countries or their people are inferior - not by any means - but there has to be some underlying reason. IMO of course - before anyone jumps on me for my statement.

Besides being 100% insulting to those countries by those statements, I guess you are trying to say that there has to be an underlying reason why those countries are being more progresive that the states in those areas other then because they believe in equality Crazy to imagine that Canada could beleive in freedom and equlity.

[Grace]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

-- They are:
Australia,
Austria,
Belgium,
Canada,
Czech Republic,
Denmark,
Estonia,
Finland,
France,
Germany,
Ireland,
Israel,
Italy,
Lithuania,
Luxembourg,
Netherlands,
New Zealand,
Norway,
Slovenia,
South Africa,
Spain,
Sweden,
Switzerland,
United Kingdom,
Uruguay.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

[NicoleLJ]

Countries that allow gays in the military -

Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

100% agree

[Lady's Human]

While all of these have smaller populations than the USA, I would hardly describe all of them as lowering their standards, taking what they could get. I see them as being more progressive than we are.

For most of those countries, the military is miniscule, and the tooth to tail ratio is badly skewed. One of those countries has no tooth at all.

Different cultures, different training methods, different uses for their militaries. The only countries on any sort of a par with the US out of the countries listed are probably the UK and France.

Standards are different from US standards in those militaries, and results are different as well. Helmsland province, anyone?

[Asiel]

And just how do Canadians handle situations such as this???????

Don't kid yourself Pomtzu. I personally know 7 gays/lesbians that joined the forces and I woudn't want to describe the horrors that they confided in me that they were put through while in the service. Straight from the horse's mouth so I do believe them as 4 of them quit . Canada might have made it a non issue but the ordinary citizen isn't always as tolerant.

[Lady's Human]

Asiel, as I was saying, it's a technical non-issue, but what happens within the military in reality is a very different situation.

[Catty1]

It may be legal and look good on paper...but many people will get beaten and worse.

Homophobia exists in the civilian world too...and every so often there is a news report of a horrid assault (putting it mildly).

Yes, it's a progressive and good idea. I bet many gay and lesbian people will still stay in the closet while serving in the military. Best to focus on one enemy.

[Asiel]

I do know that . But Canadians in general are not as tolerant as the painted picture shown here. Can't say someone didn't try to avert this, too bad it fell through. To each his own, just a lot of crap to me, not worth the discussion.
Especially when it's all been copied and pasted from other sources.

[Asiel]

it may be legal and look good on paper...but many people will get beaten and worse.

Homophobia exists in the civilian world too...and every so often there is a news report of a horrid assault (putting it mildly).

Yes, it's a progressive and good idea. I bet many gay and lesbian people will still stay in the closet while serving in the military. Best to focus on one enemy.

bingo !!!!!!!!

[Lady's Human]

The posts were removed by the mayor as a request, it was a sideline discussion and a misunderstanding.

[NicoleLJ]

Especially when it's all been copied and pasted from other sources.

There is nothing wrong with copying and pasting from other sources when you are providing info for questions asked. Example: When I was asked Canada's view on Gays in the military. I knew some would not take my word for it. So I provided a link to the history along with the information. That way they could read it for themselves with no need of a he said she said.

[wombat2u2004]

Nicole, why do you support gays in the military ????