Sex abuse in church

[Lady's Human]

If the topic can't be discussed without personal comments, then perhaps it shouldn't be discussed here. Personal disputes have no place here, Dog House or otherwise.

The Catholic Church in the US has lost much of its legal shield, perhaps it is time for other countries to follow suit. John J. Geoghan certainly destroyed any shred of secrecy for the Boston archdiocese.

[Cataholic]

Heh, well it really is all about you, isn’t it, John?

Marigold, apologies. I'm not being a particularly good friend here! Promise I’ll smirk to myself only at the beastie after this post.

Haha, you have a go at the Catholic Church all you want, my friend, for you see it singles you out for the person you are - racist, homophobic, a little sexist, and when it comes down to the boil, against anything or anyone who might call you on something.

You made a habit of picking on a young girl the first time around you were here.

You were nasty for the mere reason that she disagreed with you a few times.

You are unlike any others on the forum here, who at least have the decency to drop or at least quieten their discrepancies with each other over time. Well, try it on with me all you like, matie, I frankly do not give a toss.

I had the mis/fortune of stumbling across a few Youtube comments you made some time after your PT departure, and evidently you can’t contain your exuberance to irk people there either. Tsk tsk, you should choose a less unique username, says I.

And I have no doubt that I will be flamed for this, or that this post will be deleted, and that few will choose to publicly back me. I’ll take a defeat, or a slap, should it come, so long as others know I‘m prepared to stand in the firing line. At least I don’t depend on the ignore button to shut out the words I don’t want to hear.

And, silly man, were you not so self-righteous in that respect, you would have seen me agreeing with you in some threads, against people whom I sure as hell prefer and respect over you. I’m able to move on. Ask Blue, the pair of us have had quite the gripes! Can’t say I blame him if he’s not all that fond of me. But in this thread, he’s right, IMO, and I support his words. It’s called being respectful.

The comment I made was not particularly about your posts, since if they seem to contain too many consecutive exclamation marks and other various punctuation symbols, I don’t often read them. It was directed at the people I know can ‘hear’ me in this thread, why on earth should I address it to you?

You and I - chalk and cheese. You say I’m evil and angry, I say you’re pathetic and laughable. We ain’t never gonna be happy until one of us has gone. And I hold out that, if it’s not me that this time sends you storming off, it’ll be someone else. And if I have to be got shut of before that happens, well, that’ll be a shame for me, since I care a lot about many people here. I’ll only have my snappiness and sense of justice to blame for that, but my gawd do I hold it dear. I won’t be changing that anytime soon.

I would be grateful if someone not on the naughty list could quote me so that I can correspond with this gentleman. It is all I wish to say to him.

I’ll expect the arrival of the cavalry, that’s cool. My gripes are not with you.

While I would never say from the mouth of babes...there sure is something here! You go, girl!

[Karen]

Let's keep it civil, this is still Pet Talk.

From the formerly abused children I have known all many want is it to never happen to another child again, and for the crime to be treated as a crime.

[Alysser]

While I would never say from the mouth of babes...there sure is something here! You go, girl!

I love this post Zara, beautiful!

[Lady's Human]

As posted by the mayor, keep it civil, and there is absolutely no need for anyone to egg this mess on from the sidelines.

Some people on here don't like each other.

We get it.

Take it to PM's and figure out how to co-exist without the personal BS in the forums.

[RICHARD]

Some people on here don't like each other.

We get it.

Lately? There's been someone that shows up who I CANNOT STAND.

I have to get a screwdriver, if I break the mirror, it's seven years bad luck.

[Lady's Human]

I thought you were referring to me for that tat pic.

[RICHARD]

What I want to know is why people who kept theirs mouths shut about the abuse that happened AT THAT TIME were able to cash in on THEIR inability to say anything about the abuses.

Again, no one deserves abusive treatment at the hands of others, but, I just find the people who suddenly recover repressed memories when a Class Action Law Suit happens to catch their eye.

Even worse?

The ambulance chasers/advocates who promoted that kind of BS just to pad their pockets.

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Here in El Lay there was a child care center run by the McMartin family.

The were accused of sex abuse, animal sacrifice and all kinds of other scummy kiddie abuse. The kids testified that there was an underground toture
chamber under the school grounds and there was ritual animal slaughter going on.

Turns out that the kids were lying and telling stories to the psychologist, cops and the prosecutors just to get them off of their backs.

The defendants lost the school, their investment and lively hood over some accusations that started on of the most expensive and lengthy court cases in El Lay history.

Not to say that things didn't happed to the kids in Cat School-but I can barely remember stuff that happened a few weeks ago, let alone 10-30 years plus.

The way the RCC handed out the money in the settlements was kinda funny too. The people just had to file a complaint, talk to a few people and the check was in the mail.


I remember one slob that, when the settlement for the abused was handed out here in Lost ANGELES was in tears over getting a ton of money.

He was blubbering about being able too go on with his life now that the case was over.

I would have taken the money, rubbed it over my violated parts and burned it.


This is not to say that the abuse didn't happen, but how many of the victims would have changed a monetary settlement for some priests doing a little time in the pokey?

It all stinks to high heaven, the abusers who were shuffled around like U-Haul trailer, the people who spent life with that lump stuck in their chests and the Law, lawmakers and hot shot legal reps that made tons of money on other people's suffering.

God bless them all!

Do some penance and all is forgiven.

That said?

I view the whole escapade like I viewed my job.

"I like my work, it's the people in the office I hate."

I don't mind the religion, it's the people that make it look bad that I depise?

[Cataholic]

Lately? There's been someone that shows up who I CANNOT STAND.

I have to get a screwdriver, if I break the mirror, it's seven years bad luck.

I am SO in ageement with you! This "member" is so distasteful to many of us!! If only we ran the board.

[RICHARD]

I thought you were referring to me for that tat pic.

No, no, no.......It's the scary sucker lurking in my b-room mirror in the morning.




But, Now that you mention it?


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[RICHARD]

I am SO in ageement with you! This "member" is so distasteful to many of us!! If only we ran the board.

So, you find me distasteful?

I would put myself near anyone's lips.

[Marigold2]

Richard if I may. Your question on why children who are abused do not speak up at the time. I can answer that easily. Fear, shame, gulit.
My cousins were sexually abused by their father. Since my one cousin is two months my senior her and I were very very close. I knew all about the abuse. We were between 12 and 14 when this was going on.
I wanted her to tell, she was terrified. My dad was a cop at the time. I never said a word. She knew my aunt her mother would not believe her and still worst she was afraid her mother would do nothing to stop it for fear of losing her home. I tried for years to have her tell, she told me over and over again if I did tell she would kill herself. That is a heavy burden and I could not risk that. So at 13 I did nothing.
The truth finally came out when her father was chasing her through the house and she climbed on the roof to get away from him and my younger aunt showed up and said "what the hell are you doing on the roof".
He was brought to court but my cousins were too terrified and ashamed to testify. Their lives were ruined be this.
Children are threathened by molesters to keep quite. Some promise to murder their parents if they tell or their younger brothers and sisters. They are told so many lies and the shame is so great. They truly have no where to turn often.
As for the priets I don't know what they would say to a child, perhaps they pick on the weak child, the one who has a disfunctional family life, perhaps one who doesn't get any love or attention at home.
I do know that many people hide what happens into adult hood because it is just to painful. We hear many come forward once they find the strength to voice their pain, Marie Osmond being one.
Rape victims do the same thing. So many are not reported. This is rape but of a child. Grown women are afraid to come forward, these poor children. My heart truly cries for them. I have seen the long term effect of abuse and it is a death of the soul.

[Marigold2]

As for the church, the church is made up of people who come together to pray, to learn and to grow and do good deeds.
The people are the church. Any bad apple needs to be weeded out for it hurts the good people of a clean heart and mind.
It can only do the church good to rid itself of this slime. No bad will come from doing the right thing. People are upset because the wrong thing was done over and over and the good people have lost trust.
The good people now need to speak up and say ENOUGH.

[wombat2u2004]

The people who were abused as children might very well want to attack the church. Pedophiles in the church should not be immune to prosecution, as seems to have been the case - they are too well covered up.

That's the real point here isn't it ??? It's not about attacking anyones church.
It's about bringing to justice those who are free to commit the same crimes again and again against our children.
We can discuss this further in the "Tea and Cookies on top of the Pennines" forum on Facebook if you wish (a children free forum).

[wombat2u2004]

I was really rather enjoying PT these past few months, without all the accusations, name calling, insults, and other generally rude behavior that goes along as part of the package. I knew it was too good to last!!!

If the shoe fits...........

And indeed the shoe DOES fit.
Do what I do mate, shove em on ignore, and then you don't have to read the junk mail.