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    Quote Originally Posted by caseysmom View Post
    Well I'm not saying I don't understand because I get scared at takeoff's also it is just ironic to me that none of us usually feel that way about driving a car, I guess we take it for granted because we drive more often. With two new teen drivers trust me cars make me think twice now!
    I don't get scared of flying at all, hell, I hate airport security and jams as much as the next person but maybe I'm a weirdo, the thought of flight is just fascinating to me. I've wanted to be an astronaut (secretly) for the past 2 years (my sci-fi obsession don't help this) and honestly was really upset when I found out I couldn't be because I am not in perfect physical shape, damn this heart condition. I guess I'm odd, but I think Space Travel would be absolutely amazing. I LOVE getting as close to it as possible so I'll fly anytime. It's always something I'll wanna do..hopefully in my next life.

    Anyway, I know what you mean about how it's funny that driving is just as dangerous if not much more yet people still drive. But then again, human nature is funny to. I agree that driving is second nature to most people and it's just something you're used to. Although it sucks that it's so easy to get a liscence for some people.

    I too am wondering how the heck he got passed security in TWO countries with an explosive device in his underwear I heard that his father had said that he was acting suspcious to authorities but they didn't listen apparently. That seems to happen far too often. I hope they find out more soon and I am glad it didn't end up like the terrorists had intended it to.

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    I guess trying to explode your underwear doesn't help?

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    Secret of 'mile high club' revealed

    A philosopher has unravelled the mystery of why randy plane passengers can risk everything to join the mile high club after a study at Heathrow airport.

    Alain de Botton spent a week observing passengers passing through the airport and discovered that the fear of death makes them shed their inhibitions.

    Because subconsciously they accept they might die while flying, it arouses ancient animal survival passions that sometimes cannot be quelled, he explained.

    "Airports bring us closer to the possibility of death.

    "Such an idea makes us free of inhibitions, so we make love in airplanes. Feeling our mortality, we feel more free towards sex than usual," he told Croatian newspaper Jutarnji List.

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    FREE? Does this guy know about the penalties for pulling stunts like THAT?
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    First we have to see how this joker got on board.
    Considering he bought a one-way ticket, paid in cash, and had no baggage.

    Red flags anyone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    Considering he bought a one-way ticket, paid in cash, and had no baggage.

    Red flags anyone
    That's my prob with the reporting.

    They blame the U.S. officials for letting him on board?

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    Seriously,
    Janet and Obama really care about how we fly?

    What is the security on a private plane like AF1?

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    Everyone is scrambling to blame everyone else about this turd.

    The U.S. has little or no control over who boards a plane in a foreign country.
    Oh, btw, we can suggest who gets on, after that?

    How may Kareem Abdul Muhammed , Cassius Clay, Chad Ochocinco people are their on the planet.

    To even think that we can have a lead on all the people on our "watch lists"
    is probably the stupidest idea we all could have.

    Do a Google search on YOURNAMEHERE and see how many people there are with your First, Last, MI....then? Think about how many times you have been mistaken for someone else.


    So far? I was a serial killer, a delinquent father and god know what else, because I shared a name with these creeps.

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    Everyone is indignant of being searched, prodded or squeezed, yet they do not want to die when some idiot "remodels" the section where they are sitting.

    The local news is talking about the 'wave scanners' that wil be used to check passengers.

    THe reporter states that the screener will be able to see everything under the passenger's clothes-down to what kind of underwear you have on.

    Oooooh! Who really cares?

    If have to show my arse to get where I am going, safely?

    We are so paranoid about getting on a plane, we really don't realize that the people fishing your body out of the ocean don't care about your underwear.

    I am more nervous about how they fish my fat arse from the ocean after the 'fall'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post

    Everyone is indignant of being searched, prodded or squeezed, yet they do not want to die when some idiot "remodels" the section where they are sitting.

    The local news is talking about the 'wave scanners' that wil be used to check passengers.

    THe reporter states that the screener will be able to see everything under the passenger's clothes-down to what kind of underwear you have on.

    Oooooh! Who really cares?

    If have to show my arse to get where I am going, safely?

    We are so paranoid about getting on a plane, we really don't realize that the people fishing your body out of the ocean don't care about your underwear.

    I am more nervous about how they fish my fat arse from the ocean after the 'fall'.
    I'm w/ya on this one, RICHARD. If they want to see what I've got, well, "that'll learn 'em!"
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    I love the fact that people will complain about the government getting the info on this guy and why things moved so slowly.

    Why should we have profiled this poor fella? I mean, isn't that a violation of his civil rights? How many other parents will turn their wayward kids in to the CIA or ? because the are doing a little forward thinking?

    Obviously there is a major malfunction in the minds of the people who want Gitmo closed-gee, i think I heard that two of the planners of the attempted bombing were former Gitmo Guests.

    That B@st@rd GWB let them loose and that is the way they thank him?

    I said this before and will stand by my comment-

    The U.S. and BO are gonna get tested by these jerks and it be not as bad as 9/11, but enough to shake our faith in our leaders and the people under them.

    Our own vanity, stupidity and belief in CHANGE AND HOPE that will allow it to happen.

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    That does THAT tell you??? It tells you that the U.S. is still letting it's guard down when it comes to homeland security. It's only a matter of time, in my opinion. I pray every day that we and the men and women who are away defending out freedom, stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moosmom View Post
    That does THAT tell you??? It tells you that the U.S. is still letting it's guard down when it comes to homeland security. It's only a matter of time, in my opinion.

    We only can extend 'our rules' about air travel so far across the planet.
    We have to depend on other countries to enforce those rules.

    There are people who do like the U.S. and will not help in any way, shape or form.

    We just have to hunker down and wait until the people who are screaming about how strict the rules are, to stop whining the NEXT time something happens, then people may get some religion.

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    the parents of a kid complained that a TSA screener took away their kid's Play Doh.

    Seriously?

    Check out what plastic explosives looks and feels like.

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    I swear, I really hate people that make a big stinking pile of poop over having to follow the rules.

    I wonder what kind of stink they would make if some nutjob did blow up the plane with cans of make-believe kiddie 'modeling compound'.

    I seem to remember that the Lockerbie crash was caused by an idiot who happened to check in the luggage at another AP-it as transferred onto flight 103 from another flight.

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    Everyone flying should have the full body scan. If you don't want the scan then drive. But do not compromise the safety of everyone else on that plane because you don't want them to see your fat rolls, sagging skin or whatever. These people who scan you do not know who you are, they don't know your name, will never see you again and frankly don't care how big your behind is, only whats in your behind. Same thing with kids, it is not porn to scan a child, some adults could put things into a child or infant as well as an adult. Being scanned is something we as Americans can do for our safety and the safety of all on our flight. Do I want these people to see me semi-naked in the scan NO but I will do it for my fellow Americans on that flight. I will do what I can to help. We expect our sons and daughters to fight for freedom in a foreign land and risk their lives everyday. I can do this.

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    I agree about the scanners; what is it with us Americans and skin, anyway? The data are supposedly destroyed immediately after you pass the scanner. (They always make me think of "Total Recall" but there you could see the bones!)
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    8 year old on watch list?

    From the NY Times -

    Meet Mikey, 8: U.S. Has Him on Watch List
    By LIZETTE ALVAREZ

    The Transportation Security Administration, under scrutiny after last month’s bombing attempt, has on its Web site a “mythbuster” that tries to reassure the public.

    : The No-Fly list includes an 8-year-old boy.

    Buster: No 8-year-old is on a T.S.A. watch list.

    “Meet Mikey Hicks,” said Najlah Feanny Hicks, introducing her 8-year-old son, a New Jersey Cub Scout and frequent traveler who has seldom boarded a plane without a hassle because he shares the name of a suspicious person. “It’s not a myth.”

    Michael Winston Hicks’s mother initially sensed trouble when he was a baby and she could not get a seat for him on their flight to Florida at an airport kiosk; airline officials explained that his name “was on the list,” she recalled.

    The first time he was patted down, at Newark Liberty International Airport, Mikey was 2. He cried.

    After years of long delays and waits for supervisors at every airport ticket counter, this year’s vacation to the Bahamas badly shook up the family. Mikey was frisked on the way there, then more aggressively on the way home.

    “Up your arms, down your arms, up your crotch — someone is patting your 8-year-old down like he’s a criminal,” Mrs. Hicks recounted. “A terrorist can blow his underwear up and they don’t catch him. But my 8-year-old can’t walk through security without being frisked.”

    It is true that Mikey is not on the federal government’s “no-fly” list, which includes about 2,500 people, less than 10 percent of them from the United States. But his name appears to be among some 13,500 on the larger “selectee” list, which sets off a high level of security screening.

    At some point, someone named Michael Hicks made the Department of Homeland Security suspicious, and little Mikey is still paying the price. (His father, also named Michael Hicks, was stopped for the first time on the Bahamas trip.)

    Both lists are maintained by the Terrorist Screening Center, which includes the Federal Bureau of Investigation. They are given to the Transportation Security Administration, which in turn sends them to the airlines.

    A spokesman for the T.S.A., James Fotenos, said that as a rule, “there are no children on the no-fly or selectee lists,” but would not comment on Mikey’s situation specifically.

    For every person on the lists, hundreds of others may get caught up simply because they share the same name; a quick scan through a national phone directory unearthed 1,600 Michael Hickses. Over the past three years, 81,793 frustrated travelers have formally asked that they be struck from the watch list through the Department of Homeland Security; more than 25,000 of their cases are still pending. Others have taken more drastic measures.

    Mario Labbé, a frequent-flying Canadian record-company executive, started having problems at airports shortly after Sept. 11, 2001, with lengthy delays at checkpoints and mysterious questions about Japan. By 2005, he stopped flying to the United States from Canada, instead meeting American clients in France. Then a forced rerouting to Miami in 2008 led to six hours of questions.

    “What’s the name of your mother? Your father? When were you last in Japan?” Mr. Labbé recalled being asked. “Always the same questions in different order. And sometimes, it’s quite aggressive, not funny at all.”

    Fed up, in the summer of 2008, he changed his name to François Mario Labbé. The problem vanished.

    Several Web sites, including the T.S.A.’s own blog, are rife with tales of misidentification and strategies for solving them. Some travelers purposely misspell their own names when buying tickets, apparently enough to fool the system. Even the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy once found himself on a list.

    “We can’t just throw a bunch of names on these lists and call it security,” said Representative William J. Pascrell Jr., a New Jersey Democrat. “If we can’t get an 8-year-old off the list, the whole list becomes suspect.”

    Mr. Fotenos, the T.S.A. spokesman, promised improvements in a few months, as the agency’s Secure Flight Program takes full effect. Under the new system, airlines will collect every passenger’s birth date and gender, along with their names. The T.S.A. will cross-check all that with the watch lists. Previously, the airlines cross-checked the lists themselves, using only the names.

    Certainly, Mikey’s date of birth, less than a month before 9/11, should prevent him from being mistaken as a terrorist.

    A third grader at a parochial school in Clifton, N.J., Mikey recites the drill like the world-weary traveler he is. Leave early for the airport, always with his passport. Try to get a boarding pass at the counter. This will send up a flag. The ticket agent, peering down at tiny bespectacled Mikey, will apologize or roll her eyes, and call for a supervisor. The supervisor, after a phone call — or, more likely, a series of phone calls — will ultimately finagle him onto the plane. But the Hickses are typically the last to select seats and the last to board, which means they sometimes can’t sit together.

    Mrs. Hicks, a photojournalist who herself got Secret Service clearance to travel aboard Air Force II with then-Vice President Al Gore, anticipated additional chaos following the attempted underwear bombing. Before leaving for the Bahamas on Jan. 2, she reached out to Congressman Pascrell’s office, which then enlisted a T.S.A. agent to meet the family at the airport. Even this did not prevent Mikey from an extra pat-down.

    On the way home last Friday, Mikey’s boarding pass showed four giant red S’s at the airport in Nassau. “Oh, random screening,” Mrs. Hicks said. Mikey asked his mother not to worry and said he would use his tae kwon do — he has a junior black belt — if needed. Mrs. Hicks said she wanted to take pictures of her son being frisked but was told it was against the rules.

    Mikey, who would rather talk about BMX bikes and his athletic trophies than airport security, remains perplexed about the “list” and the hurdles he must clear. “Why do they think a kid is a terrorist?” Mikey asked his mother at one point during the interview.

    Mrs. Hicks said the family was amused by the mistake at first. But that amusement quickly turned to annoyance and anger. It should not take seven years to correct the problem, Mrs. Hicks said. She applied for redress in December when she first heard about the Department of Homeland Security’s program.

    “I understand the need for security,” she added. “But this is ridiculous. It’s quite clear that he is 8 years old, and while he may have terroristic tendencies at home, he does not have those on a plane.”

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    El Al must be doing something right, and we are frisking 8 year olds Dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    El Al must be doing something right, and we are frisking 8 year olds Dude.
    Have you even hung out with an eight year-old for a while?

    LOL, If the kid died on a plane brought down by terrorist the gevernment would still be to blame.


    Tough it out kid, threaten the TSA screener with karate! That will get you on the plane faster.

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