Global warming

[Edwina's Secretary]

Okay, the climate IS changing and causing bad effects.

To heck with whatever is causing it - that argument is a waste of time.

The main point is - WHAT ARE WE DOING/GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

JMO

JMO...you are wrong to think "to heck with whatever is causing it".

If you cannot determine what is "causing it" you do not know what to do differently.

To solve a problem it is not enough to define the problem - you must also determine "probable cause." Else you will spend time, energy and resources chasing the wrong solution.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Okay, the climate IS changing and causing bad effects.

To heck with whatever is causing it - that argument is a waste of time.

The main point is - WHAT ARE WE DOING/GOING TO DO ABOUT IT????

"What's causing it ... is a waste of time" ????????

The steps in Problem Solving are usually:

1) Identify the problem = Global Warming - the evidence is everywhere

2) Determine the Cause = WHY is the Ice melting and the Planet warming?

3) Knowing the Cause(s) - develop plans to eliminate or minimize the "Causes".

I think determining WHAT's causing the Global Warming is kinda *important*.

/s/ Phred

[Edwina's Secretary]

For example - you define the problem as "the house is too cold".

To heck with the cause!

I'll put in a new furnace.

But the problem is - there is no insulation in the house.

So it is still too cold.

You have bought a new furnace and been cold for three more weeks. With no improvement in the problem. And now you must spend more money and time getting insulation put in the house.

Identification of the cause of a problem is crucial to solving it. The first time.

[blue]

The fact that there is evidence of tropical forests in AK? Yes that was many millions of years ago but it shows that the Earth was once much warmer then it is now. Its also true that back in the 80's we would have had snow on the ground by now, but we now have much more severe and longer cold spells in Jan and Feb then we did back then.

Putting your head in the sand is on both sides of the Globull Warming debate. Its Climate Change and its natural, and its been going on since the begining without our help.

Ill take the scientists and researchers in The Great Global Warming Swindle over Al Gores hot air or the scientists and researchers cashing in on Globull Warming on the billions in grants.

I dont put political stickers on my Jeep, I dont need a lefty nut trashing it.

[Catty1]

What I meant was - to argue whether it is a natural event, or caused by humans, the actions to slow and even reverse it would be the same, no?

I tend to think that it may well be a natural event, but made far more severe by the crap that has been poured into the environment since the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the mid-1800's.

Let's remove all the human factors possible and see if that helps. How can it not?

[pomtzu]

I tend to think that it may well be a natural event, but made far more severe by the crap that has been poured into the environment since the advent of the Industrial Revolution in the mid-1800's.

Let's remove all the human factors possible and see if that helps. How can it not?

Remove the human factors??? - impossible - unless you remove humans!

At best, they might be modified. This would have to be a worldwide cooperative effort, and just one industrial nation and it's people, is not going to make a difference. All - or nothing at all. And which way do you think it would go???

[Pembroke_Corgi]

The fact that there is evidence of tropical forests in AK? Yes that was many millions of years ago but it shows that the Earth was once much warmer then it is now. Its also true that back in the 80's we would have had snow on the ground by now, but we now have much more severe and longer cold spells in Jan and Feb then we did back then.

Putting your head in the sand is on both sides of the Globull Warming debate. Its Climate Change and its natural, and its been going on since the begining without our help.

Ill take the scientists and researchers in The Great Global Warming Swindle over Al Gores hot air or the scientists and researchers cashing in on Globull Warming on the billions in grants.

I dont put political stickers on my Jeep, I dont need a lefty nut trashing it.

Why do people like to pick and choose when to "believe" in scientific evidence? We know that our climate has changed over the course of the earth's history due to scientific evidence. Likewise, we know that that it is now warming as result of human activities from scientific evidence.

[Catty1]

"all the human factors possible" I didn't say ALL.

[kokopup]

It is true that there is evidence that a tropical rain forest existed on the east shore of the gulf of Alaska. That was 40-50 million years ago. It took millions of years to go from that tropical age to the cold climate of just 50 years ago. The problem is we are seeing warming in just a few decades not thousands of millions of years as would be the norm. The change we are seeing today is very rapid and accelerating at an alarming rate. Warming is real and worsening much to fast. It will take a Global change in how we use our resources or we will pay the consequences in our lifetime.

[pomtzu]

It will take a Global change in how we use our resources or we will pay the consequences in our lifetime.

I don't think that I'll ever see it in what's left of my lifetime, and maybe not even that of my children's. Certainly I feel that it will impact my grandchildren and beyond. It's going to be a long, hard sell, to convince people to change. Everyone has gotten too comfortable with the way of life that progress has afforded them, and unfortunately, most will not want to make any sacrifices to turn this all around. I feel that too many take the "I'm not going to be around for it to affect me, so why should I bother to make a change?" attitude, or the attitudes such as "blue's" who believe that, we the people, are not the cause, and it's just the natural course of events.
It saddens me to say this, but I'm glad I won't be around to see the results, if we continue on this destructive course.

[Edwina's Secretary]

What I meant was - to argue whether it is a natural event, or caused by humans, the actions to slow and even reverse it would be the same, no?

No, the actions to slow or reverse would not be the same. If it is naturally occurring how could you slow or reverse it?

[RICHARD]

Steve Mc Queen would have been a wonderful spokesman for the Global Warning Movement..........


Watch the last five minutes of "The Blob".

[Catty1]

If it IS natural, we could keep working towards cutting CO2 emissions and everything else we are doing. I can't help but think it will have some effect, natural causes or not.

To clarify further, merely arguing about the chicken or egg cause takes energy we could be putting towards cleaning up after ourselves, commercially, internationally, and personally.

[Puckstop31]

Global "warming". Follow the money. How much is Al Gore worth now?


The science I have read, from various sources is far from conclusive. Seems to be that that enourmous ball of fire in the sky has something to do with it. Something that contemporary science cares little about.

I care about the environment MORE than the average person. Call me on it. The "answers" proposed... "Cap and Trade...." Discuss?


Cap and Trade. Ready to live in the 18th century? I am. How about you?

[blue]

Why do people like to pick and choose when to "believe" in scientific evidence?

Ask Al Gore and every scientist with their hands out for Globull Warming grant money.

It is true that there is evidence that a tropical rain forest existed on the east shore of the gulf of Alaska. That was 40-50 million years ago. It took millions of years to go from that tropical age to the cold climate of just 50 years ago. The problem is we are seeing warming in just a few decades not thousands of millions of years as would be the norm. The change we are seeing today is very rapid and accelerating at an alarming rate. Warming is real and worsening much to fast. It will take a Global change in how we use our resources or we will pay the consequences in our lifetime.

It didnt take millions of years to go from the Medieval Warm Period to the Little Ice Age, or the 1940s warming to the cooling in the 1970s. Neither of us is going through million years of tempurature records without being paid to do so for the sake of an intardnet discussion. The world has been cutting its emissions for 3 decades and climate change is still rapidly accelerating. The problem is we started cutting our emissions to stave off another cooling period and caused a warming period?

The Globull Warming Scare tactic is already killing people in developing nations.

So more mining is now the answer on using our resources to help stop climate change?

Global "warming". Follow the money. How much is Al Gore worth now?

Al Gore the limo riding private jet flying Climate Commando!

The science I have read, from various sources is far from conclusive. Seems to be that that enourmous ball of fire in the sky has something to do with it. Something that contemporary science cares little about.

There is no grant money for solar activity studies when it come to Globull Warming.

I care about the environment MORE than the average person. Call me on it. The "answers" proposed... "Cap and Trade...." Discuss?


Cap and Trade. Ready to live in the 18th century? I am. How about you?

Not ready to live like its 1799, and I doubt neither are the Globull Warming alarmists.