If the world could vote for the US president...

[Lady's Human]

If other countires aren't trying to influence our internal politics, why did Sen. Obama make a CAMPAIGN TRIP abroad?

Seems odd for someone running for the US Presidency to make a campaign stump speech in Berlin. Unless he thought he was going to garner votes with that little junket, it doesn't make much sense.

BTW, Pres. Carter counting votes? Now there's something to inspire confidence.

[Bonny]

Lets skip into the future. What would you all think of a World Government? Could it be in the future?

[Puckstop31]

Lets skip into the future. What would you all think of a World Government? Could it be in the future?

It IS in our future.

It won't be good. It CAN'T be good.

[Edwina's Secretary]

If other countires aren't trying to influence our internal politics, why did Sen. Obama make a CAMPAIGN TRIP abroad?

Seems odd for someone running for the US Presidency to make a campaign stump speech in Berlin. Unless he thought he was going to garner votes with that little junket, it doesn't make much sense.

BTW, Pres. Carter counting votes? Now there's something to inspire confidence.

Speaking of not making sense. Obama's speech in Berlin was to encourage other countries to influence our internal policies. Okee dokee....

Are you suggesting Obama thought German citizens can vote in the US?

Perhaps he shared your concern for their lack of knowledge about our internal politics?

[Twisterdog]

I find it not only interesting, but relevant as well.

If EVERYONE else at a dinner party tells you that you have spinach between your teeth and your toliet paper stuck on your shoe ... what are you going to do? Take heed of the unanimous majority telling you that you are being an idiot and fix the situation? Or say, "Ha! What do all of you know? Your opinions are irrelevant!" and continue mingling around the room, with your spinach and your TP?

[RICHARD]

If EVERYONE else at a dinner party tells you that you have spinach between your teeth and your toliet paper stuck on your shoe ... what are you going to do?

You are an idiot because you have spinach on your teeth or toilet paper on your shoe?

That's funny.

I can hardly wait to see a woman who has lipstick on her teeth, or her blouse isn't tucked into her pants or skirt or her bra strap is showing.

I''ll be sure to lean over and tell her what her problem is and remind her that she may be an idiot.

It's all in the way a person is approached. The sledgehammer to drive a tack is they fastest way to be ignored. IT's no wonder we ignore most of the "helpful" hints from overseas.

Think about it. They could be superpowers too, it just takes a second to look in the mirror or a peek at their shoes.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Sledgehammer....invasion....I think I am seeing the light.

Perhaps the fact that we have used the "Sledgehammer" so often causes apprehension about our intentions?

Shah of Iran, Pinochet, Saddam (when we put him in and when we took him out)

[Lady's Human]

In Saddam's case, Sara, we didn't quite put him in ..........

He murdered he opposition party.

He was an assasin before he came to power, and took power the same way. We were dealing with him in the '70s and 80's because on the surface he was the lesser of two evils, the other evil being Russian control of the Gulf region.

[Edwina's Secretary]

So we were...trying to influence the internal politics of another country?

As you sow, so shall you reap?

(ALthough I have to say...I struggle to consider an on-line poll trying to influence our internal politics!)

[Lady's Human]

Sara, note the "short of war" statement I made.

To avoid war it's one thing. To do it because you're a bunch of sheep following the beat of the "we don't like them" drummers in the UN is something else entirely.

BTW, it's not a just one online poll. It's the constant drumbeat from international sources telling us who to elect.

I wouldn't do it to them, (again, short of a wartime situation), and they should do the same.

[Edwina's Secretary]

We started a war to influence another country's internal politics.

Not to avoid a war...we started a war. Can you get much more intrusive than that?

Who's "them" anyway? No one from international sources has tried to influence my vote?

[Lady's Human]

Sara, if you refer to Iraq, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

If we weren't at war with them prior to the invasion there are some Falcon, Jaguar and Strike Eagle pilots who'd like an explanation of just what it was that put holes in their birds.

We could go to the 14 UN resolutions, breaches of the cease fire agreement, ad nauseum, but that's been rehashed and argued in this forum far too many times to no result.

If you don't know which international sources have been trying to influence votes in this country, you haven't been paying very close attention to the news and political rallies at all.

[lizbud]

If other countires aren't trying to influence our internal politics, why did Sen. Obama make a CAMPAIGN TRIP abroad?

Seems odd for someone running for the US Presidency to make a campaign stump speech in Berlin. Unless he thought he was going to garner votes with that little junket, it doesn't make much sense.

Just for giggles, what is your source for believing Obama's trip was in fact
a Campaign trip?

[Lady's Human]

But use of the landmark apparently was vetoed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who a spokesman Wednesday said disapproved of plans to co-opt it as a "campaign backdrop."

that might be one clue.........another might be to ask yourself when the last time a JUNIOR US senator made a foreign trip abroad making stump speeches at every available venue......

Or when the last time a US Seator made a trip abroad.....and cancelled a planned visit with wounded troop because the US Military refused to allow reporters to accompany him to the hospital.......

[Edwina's Secretary]

If you don't know which international sources have been trying to influence votes in this country, you haven't been paying very close attention to the news and political rallies at all.

Firdt you say those international folks don't know much about our internal politics and then you say they are trying to influence votes on the news and at rallies.

You know I pay attention. Is it the Germans, the French, the Vatican, the British, the Canadians, the Russians, the Cubans?...Maybe it's Mexico or Monacco? I have never seen the suggestion of foreign influence until this thread. I suppose it could be on Fox News and that is why I haven't heard of it.

And as for Iraq...so that is this week's explanation? You must admit it has been difficult keeping up with the excuses for the Regime Change (as opposed to Election Influencing!)

I learn so much here. Yesterday I learned that people decide how to vote based on signs placed on the street and today I learn those pesky foreigners are swaying US voters.

I am so glad I have already voted. I am safe from foriegn influence!