Stoned to death

[Marigold2]

A women in Iran will be stoned to death because she had sex outside of her marriage and also she is charged with killing her husbend, although there is really no proof she harmed her husbend.
Even with unemployment, an oil leak, horrible health care I am still glad I live here in the US and not there.

[Karen]

Again, this is an old story, not as old as the other one, but see this follow-up:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/...ing/index.html

[Laura's Babies]

I'd be interested in what they do to the MEN who have committed adultry there..

[pomtzu]

I'd be interested in what they do to the MEN who have committed adultry there..

When they die, don't they get the promised 7 virgins??? Might not be such a bad deal for them in the long run.....

[Marigold2]

I wonder when the sons these women give life to start to think of their moms as less then they are? When is mom's worth less? Does it start when they are 5 or 7 or 10? Can they mistreat mom and beat her at 12?

[moosmom]

I'm SO glad I live in the U.S. The cultures in other countries amaze me. Women have absolutely no rights and are treated like dirt. And they have to keep their entire bodies covered, exposing only their eyes when the temps are unbearable, walking BEHIND their husbands. Makes me glad I'm single.

[CatsMeow]

When they die, don't they get the promised 7 virgins??? Might not be such a bad deal for them in the long run.....

No they don't get 7 virgins. They actually get 0 virgins... nothing. Well, yeah, they get hell, (no excusing my language- it's part of my religion, thank you.) but no virgins.

[pomtzu]

No they don't get 7 virgins. They actually get 0 virgins... nothing. Well, yeah, they get hell, (no excusing my language- it's part of my religion, thank you.) but no virgins.

Now read my PM..........

[wombat2u2004]

I'd be interested in what they do to the MEN who have committed adultry there..

Absolutely nothing.

[caseysmom]

Absolutely nothing.

Actually men are stoned to death for the same thing.

[wombat2u2004]

Actually men are stoned to death for the same thing.

Source please.

[popcornbird]

A woman who has committed adultry and has KILLED her husband....if these accusations are TRUE, then truly, I do not see any injustice in her fate. If these accusations are NOT true, and people have invented lies against her, then it is truly tragic and the world needs to step up for her.

But I repeat, if she had truly committed adultry and murder, then she deserves punishment.

As for whether this punishment applies only to women, I don't know how things are done in Iran, but if things are done according to the religious perspective, according to the laws of Islam, then these are the rules that follow.

Adultry, committed by either a MAN or a WOMAN, has the E-X-A-C-T same punishment.

The government CANNOT punish anyone for adultry unless they have FOUR witnesses first. Tell me how hard it is to find four people who have WITNESSED someone committing this act. Its HARD...most people do this in private, and just this ruling in itself would prevent punishment for the majority of cases.

And in the end, yes, the punishment is stoning.

This is the religious ruling, and not necessarily what countries do, but it is what they should be doing if this is the law that they follow.

And just as a side note...the laws of Christianity also call for the death of a person who commits adultry.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."


To Moosmom:

Although I agree that in SOME countries, women are 'forced' to cover up, this is NOT the case in the majority of places where women cover. Women covering has nothing to do with cruelty. It has nothing to do with men making them cover. Muslim women, here in the US cover, while living under the same laws as you do.

Why do we cover up? It is for our dignity. We consider our bodies to be sacred and not an open market for men with bad intentions to feast their eyes on. How many sex offenders are out there in this country? How many times to we hear of the terrible crimes they commit against girls and young women in the news. What lures them to these women? There are many such people out there in this world, and the last thing I would want to do is expose myself to them while I am going about my business. Women in the West go out dressing SEXY. For who?..., I wonder. Is it to attract every single man on the streets? Now don't even try to tell me men don't get attracted when they see a beautiful women walking around nearly naked.

So that, my friend, is why we cover. It is our choice, and no one has the right to condemn someone else's choice in their clothing and attire. We all choose what we wear. The covering of the face is optional, which I, by the way, don't do, but I am otherwise covered head to toe when I go out of my house, and I love it, and would never go out without it. Don't judge others with ignorance. Just keep in mind that while you are judging others for covering their bodies and imagining they are oppressed, those others might be judging you and finding it unbelievable when they see how much some women show to every other person on the streets. Some people find THAT to be incredible degrading of oneself.

As to walking behind their husbands, I have been to Eastern countries. Have yet to meet anyone who follows such a thing. Sometimes the husband is fast and ends up in front of his wife, sometimes vice versa, but most of the time, I have only seen couples in all parts of the world, walking side by side, many times hand in hand. Again, don't judge blindly. Have you ever BEEN to other countries?

[Lady's Human]

And just as a side note...the laws of Christianity also call for the death of a person who commits adultry.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

PCB: Talmudic law and Christian law are not the same thing.

You're quoting one and calling it the other.

John 8:7


So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

The last person I know who had no sin was strung up on a cross about 2000 years ago.

[Lady's Human]

This is the religious ruling, and not necessarily what countries do, but it is what they should be doing if this is the law that they follow.

Which is why I'm extremely thankful I don't live in a theocracy, despite what people think the government of the US is.

Stoning is an extremely barbaric punishment, and should not be practiced.

Sharia law should never be the law of the land.

[popcornbird]

PCB: Talmudic law and Christian law are not the same thing.

You're quoting one and calling it the other.

John 8:7


So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

The last person I know who had no sin was strung up on a cross about 2000 years ago.

Actually, I am not quoting one and calling it the other. As far as I'm concerned, if you believe in the New Testament, you should believe in the laws of the Old Testament. Didn't Jesus say this?:

Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

As far as I'm concerned, the Law in the Old Testament is pretty severe, and Jesus, in the New Testament, is saying that he did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it.

For the sake of argument, even IF you do not believe that, then why are you so quick to condemn Islamic rulings, while completely ignoring Jewish ones?? Do you not see any harsh punishments in the Jewish script?

Regardless, about what Sana is saying...

If any of you have been to any Muslim country, be it Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt, UAE, whatever...you would know that women covering is not enforced by law and there are tons of women out there who go out in the same way as you see women going out here. It is the media that makes you think every woman in the Middle East is forced to cover up, beaten if she doesn't, and as a Muslim who knows and has seen both the West and the East, I know that is nothing but a bunch of BS. I have relatives in Muslim countries who are more into fashion than the typical American girl, who don't cover at all, and have never been harmed. Women who cover do it by their own choice, as I do. Likewise, men are required by religious law to lower their gaze and not 'stare at' women. Just as covering is not enforced in most countries, lowering the gaze is not enforced in most countries. Religious men do it by their own choice, and yes, they do practice it. I know MANY men, that whenever a group of girls pass in front of them, they look down and avoid staring.

Of course there are good and bad people everywhere, in every culture, and there are some men who are cruel and beat their women, but it is by no means the norm, and as far as I'm concerned, I cannot say I personally know of even one 'abusive/beating' husband. I grew up with a Muslim father who has done nothing but loved us and cared for us our whole lives, played games with us, laughed with us. He is a loving and devoted husband to my mother, and has been for over 35 years. I have a Muslim husband who loves me more than anything and in our nearly 5 years of marriage, has never even scolded me in anger. Perhaps to your surprise, more women in the US convert to Islam than men. When asked why, they say they love how women are respected in the religion. Something to ponder over. A good friend of my husband who became a Muslim said he did so after researching the religion...but what lured him into it was witnessing several Muslim guys walking with their sister at a grocery store, and making sure she didn't have the burden of carrying anything.

Believe your stereotypes as much as you want. Think whatever you want. At the end of the day, you are wrong when you think wrong of others with no basis for your judgement other than the media. I have a dear friend who is a lawyer that has dealt with many cases of domestic abuse (here in the US). She has told me that some cases she comes across are so terrible she comes home in tears, wondering how anyone can do that to their own family. Again, here in the US. Domestic abuse happens everywhere. It is sad. It is terrible. It should never happen. But it happens everywhere, in the East, in the West...everywhere. There will always be some bad people out there, sadly.

Caseysmom, I don't need to trust you when you say there are modest people here. I know there are, and have many friends who are quite modest, and are not Muslim...I'm a Californian, as you are, and I know there are both modest and not so modest people here. I wasn't truely 'criticizing' the 'other side', but I was trying to show how just as they think they can judge others, others might be judging them in the same way for the things they do, and the way they dress.