Dachshunds are rare?

[Sevaede]

Okay. PT, I know you can come through for me on this one.

I saw a post on craigslist by a woman offering a long haired, black and tan, Dachshund. She claimed that this dog was rare on that basis alone (or any combination, thereof). I sent her a *polite* email telling her that Dachshunds are, by no means, a rare breed. She sent back an email accusing me of being rude and getting angry saying that because some people emailed her wanting the dog, telling her that they couldnt find that specific "breed" (long hair, black and tan), then that meant it was rare, etc.

So, I would like to send back a polite email pointing out a few simple things. I've already compiled a few things. Any information is greatly appreciated. I would love to hear Doxie fanciers opinions on this, as well.

Thank you much!

[borzoimom]

well while dachounds are not rare, some colors are- like the dapple and yes- the long haired black and tan. This is based off of number of registered dogs and colors listed with the AKC as far as registries.
Just like in my breed the self colors ( ie black) are considered more rare, same thing here.
I hate to tell you- but she had a right to be offended. I mean you were not even asking to adopt the dog, but rather even I would see this as a challange against her word.
Question- why did you inquire to her to start with? Where you interested in the dog? If not, you probably came across to her as just wanting to " start something" ..
Long hairs are more common in reds- or solid blacks- not black and tan. She is correct as far as the color- it is more rare in the breed..
Just remember- this is someones baby.. And with you having no interest in getting the dog, you were probably perceived as just " wasting her time..."
IMO...

[wolfsoul]

I respectfully disagree -- the two most common colours in smooth and longhair doxies are red and black and tan -- these are also known as the "classic" colours. These are also the base colours that modify the colour patterns (brindle, merle, etc) in the breed. Red and black and tan are also dominant colours. The only colour really considered rare in the longhair is sable. Wirehair is a bit different, it's most commom colour is wild boar.

We only have two longhair doxies that come into the shop, and both of them are black and tan..

Personally I think people should avoid writing "rare" in an ad. It makes people more interested in the rarity of the dog rather than the dog itself. Visa has rare lines, but I sure as heck wouldn't put that in an ad.

[borzoimom]

Well I looked at the akc registrations and long haired black and tan are pretty low on the scale- except of course for dapple. ( man those are pretty.)
I think the lady wanted to know why the poster contacted them.. Anyway- I have a friend that also has raised dachounds for a long time. Its hard to get a black and tan- all black - easy, all red- easy- not with proper tan markings ( ie eyebrows etc..)

[Sevaede]

Well I looked at the akc registrations and long haired black and tan are pretty low on the scale- except of course for dapple. ( man those are pretty.)
I think the lady wanted to know why the poster contacted them.. Anyway- I have a friend that also has raised dachounds for a long time. Its hard to get a black and tan- all black - easy, all red- easy- not with proper tan markings ( ie eyebrows etc..)

After doing a bit of reading, I've learned that all black Doxies are pretty rare, as far as colouring goes. It seems to happen when people are breeding for black and tan but there is so little tan that the dog appears all black.

[borzoimom]

After doing a bit of reading, I've learned that all black Doxies are pretty rare, as far as colouring goes. It seems to happen when people are breeding for black and tan but there is so little tan that the dog appears all black.

That is correct. If the tan markings are not in the specific places, they are called a black.
I am sorry- I should have explained that one.. I am use to not being able to type more than a certain number of characters but I am learning to expand.. I am sorry- I should have said that..

[Kfamr]

What a sly way for this lady to make a little extra cash.

If you look on www.petfinder.org a lone there are 2414 Dachshunds and Dachshund Mixes up for adoption. Rare? I think not.

The only Dachshunds I've ever met have been Black and Tan or all Red.

[borzoimom]

What a sly way for this lady to make a little extra cash.

If you look on www.petfinder.org a lone there are 2414 Dachshunds and Dachshund Mixes up for adoption. Rare? I think not.

The only Dachshunds I've ever met have been Black and Tan or all Red.

sly is right.. lol.. I never see too many black and tan long haired at shows, but plenty in the short coats.

[caseysmom]

Good for you wenisrubber, she sounds pretty unethical.

Keep fighting the good fight.

[Sevaede]

I respectfully disagree -- the two most common colours in smooth and longhair doxies are red and black and tan -- these are also known as the "classic" colours. These are also the base colours that modify the colour patterns (brindle, merle, etc) in the breed. Red and black and tan are also dominant colours. The only colour really considered rare in the longhair is sable. Wirehair is a bit different, it's most commom colour is wild boar.

We only have two longhair doxies that come into the shop, and both of them are black and tan..

Personally I think people should avoid writing "rare" in an ad. It makes people more interested in the rarity of the dog rather than the dog itself. Visa has rare lines, but I sure as heck wouldn't put that in an ad.

Indeed, that was one of the things that came to mind was the "rare" part of the ad. I think that was the reason she had so many responses. Heck, where she lives, it's a huge metro city with three Doxie breeders (one seems to be reputable enough, though) alone.

I feel bad for the pooch.

[Sevaede]

well while dachounds are not rare, some colors are- like the dapple and yes- the long haired black and tan. This is based off of number of registered dogs and colors listed with the AKC as far as registries.
Just like in my breed the self colors ( ie black) are considered more rare, same thing here.
I hate to tell you- but she had a right to be offended. I mean you were not even asking to adopt the dog, but rather even I would see this as a challange against her word.
Question- why did you inquire to her to start with? Where you interested in the dog? If not, you probably came across to her as just wanting to " start something" ..
Long hairs are more common in reds- or solid blacks- not black and tan. She is correct as far as the color- it is more rare in the breed..
Just remember- this is someones baby.. And with you having no interest in getting the dog, you were probably perceived as just " wasting her time..."
IMO...

Some of the info is my own gathered things from observation. I am a Doxie person so I've done a lot of reading, understanding, and all that goes along with (Well, you know! You're a shower, breeder, etc. ) having the right knowledge for your breed. Just because that's what's registered does not mean that is all that is out there. Dachshunds seem, to me, to be some of the most overbred small dogs. There are many black and tan Doxies. In fact, when I pull up petfinder for an area, that is the most common coat colour/pattern I've seen.

I have seen more black and tan Doxies than any (the rest being a variety... wheaten, red, etc). About half are long haired. From my understanding the norm in Doxie colours are red, black and tan, and one other that just completely flew off the edge of my brain (brain collapse or whatnot, heh). Those and their respective patterns seem to be the norm. The colours that are not the norm are wheaten, isabella, cream, etc. Coat patterns such as brindle, dapple, etc, also seem to fall outside of the norm.

I don't know. I've just been reading about and studying Dachshunds for about six years. I just felt that I had some valuable input.

So, Thank you for your reply! I appreciate it and will be sure to talk abou such things in my email.

[Sevaede]

well while dachounds are not rare, some colors are- like the dapple and yes- the long haired black and tan. This is based off of number of registered dogs and colors listed with the AKC as far as registries.
Just like in my breed the self colors ( ie black) are considered more rare, same thing here.
I hate to tell you- but she had a right to be offended. I mean you were not even asking to adopt the dog, but rather even I would see this as a challange against her word.
Question- why did you inquire to her to start with? Where you interested in the dog? If not, you probably came across to her as just wanting to " start something" ..
Long hairs are more common in reds- or solid blacks- not black and tan. She is correct as far as the color- it is more rare in the breed..
Just remember- this is someones baby.. And with you having no interest in getting the dog, you were probably perceived as just " wasting her time..."
IMO...

Some of the info is my own gathered things from observation. I am a Doxie person so I've done a lot of reading, understanding, and all that goes along with (Well, you know! You're a shower, breeder, etc. ) having the right knowledge for your breed. Just because that's what's registered does not mean that is all that is out there. Dachshunds seem, to me, to be some of the most overbred small dogs. There are many black and tan Doxies. In fact, when I pull up petfinder for an area, that is the most common coat colour/pattern I've seen.

I have seen more black and tan Doxies than any (the rest being a variety... wheaten, red, etc). About half are long haired. From my understanding the norm in Doxie colours are red, black and tan, and one other that just completely flew off the edge of my brain (brain collapse or whatnot, heh). Those and their respective patterns seem to be the norm. The colours that are not the norm are wheaten, isabella, cream, etc. Coat patterns such as brindle, dapple, etc, also seem to fall outside of the norm.

I don't know. I've just been reading about and studying Dachshunds for about six years. I just felt that I had some valuable input.

So, Thank you for your reply! I appreciate it and will be sure to talk abou such things in my email.