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    America the Beautiful? (Controversial!)

    I'm wondering what Americans think about the environmental problems that Bush seems to be generating at a high rate of knots. He and his administration may be causing a lot of problems for Europe and the rest of the world, but are you aware of what he's doing to your own country? This is for people who are interested enough and have time enough to read through it all and are willing to give their own assessment. Of course, if you just think it's all a pack of lies or not significant, you're welcome to say so, but keep it short.
    I happen to think that it's rather important. (No frivolous jokes thank you Richard).

    Both Democrats and Republicans are welcome to state their opinions!

    "The destroyer" Wednesday September 1, 2004 The Guardian
    George Bush's war on terror may have made the world a more dangerous place. But it is his atrocious record on the environment that poses the greatest threat.



    'Prosperity will mean little," declared George W Bush while on the stump as presidential candidate, "if we leave to future generations a world of polluted air, toxic lakes and rivers, and vanished forests." By the time Bush departed his job as governor of Texas in December 2000, Texas had - according to a report from within the ranks of his own party - become the number-one state in the nation in manufacturing-plant emissions of toxic chemicals, in the release of industrial airborne toxins, in violations of clean water discharge standards and the release of toxic waste into underground wells. Under Bush's governorship, Houston had even passed Los Angeles to become the city with the worst air quality in America. The Republicans for Environmental Protection (REP) study could find not a single initiative by Bush during his term as governor that sought to improve either the state's air or its water. What would he do as president?

    On January 20 2001 - Bush's first day in office - he called in the chief of staff, Andrew Card, and told him to send directives to every executive department with authority over environmental issues, ordering them to put on hold more than a dozen regulations left over from the Clinton administration. The regulations covered everything from lowering arsenic levels in drinking water to reducing releases of raw sewage.

    Big Republican donors expected a return on their investment following the 2000 presidential election, and Bush was more than willing to deliver. Bush convened his National Energy Policy Development Group nine days after taking office. This was the panel that came to be known as the vice president's Energy Task Force. For four months, Dick Cheney, energy secretary Abraham, other cabinet secretaries and their deputies formulated the nation's energy policy behind the closed doors of the vice president's office and the cabinet room. Eighteen of the Republicans' top 25 donors from the energy industry were invited in and asked to contribute to the plan.

    Kenneth Lay of Enron, who had loaned Bush his company jet during his presidential campaign, met the group numerous times. Executives from such companies and organizations as Chevron, ExxonMobil, the Nuclear Energy Institute, Westinghouse, Edison Electric Institute and the American Petroleum Institute consulted with the committee between six and 19 times. Upwards of 400 executives from 150 corporations and trade associations met with the task force from February to May 2001.

    The Cheney group did not speak to a single environmentalist during the hearings. Abraham said he didn't have time to meet them, and Cheney's office denied their requests for inclusion.

    Cheney and his colleagues emerged with a National Energy Plan in May 2001, which included 100 proposals and led to a massive energy bill with tax breaks for US energy interests estimated by Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation at $23.5bn (£13bn) - a pretty good return on the $44m (£24.5m) it had donated to the Republicans during the previous year's election.

    There wasn't a single line in the energy bill requiring an increase in the fuel efficiency of the nation's 204 million passenger vehicles. (Nor, for that matter, was there any mention of global warming.) The plan did include proposals that would have a new power plant built every week for the next 20 years, however. Senator John McCain, the Arizona Republican who joined the Democrats in eventually getting the legislation watered down, called the bill the "Leave-No-Lobbyist-Behind Act". After its passage, McCain said: "With a half-trillion dollar deficit, we're giving tax credits, for guess who, the [oil] industry in America, which last time I checked was doing really well."

    The Bush White House has produced its assault on the environment with little in the way of public scrutiny, which is especially remarkable considering the devastating effects its initiatives will have on America's land, air and water for generations to come. Reports or programmes that the administration must by law announce, but would rather go unnoticed, it gives to low-level officials to deliver.

    Environmental enforcement at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has plunged under Bush. Since 2001, monthly violation notices - the most important tool against polluters - are down 58% compared with Clinton's monthly average.

    Partly as a result, three decades after the passage of the Clean Air Act, almost one in three Americans still breathe air filled with nitrous oxide, sulphur dioxide, carbon dioxide, coal dust, mercury, and hundreds of other toxic pollutants. The pollution comes from myriad sources, but within the energy business, the prime culprit is coal, which powers half of the US's electricity and causes 90% of the electric power industry's pollution. Two years after Bush took office, the rollbacks of pollution regulations meant that dirty coal plants that upgraded their facilities would not necessarily have also to upgrade their pollution-control equipment.

    This easing of controls has been calculated to cause the release of an additional 1.4m tonnes of air pollution. The National Academy of Sciences estimates that the change in the law will result in 30,000 American deaths.

    In December 2002, an alliance of attorneys general from 24 states and attorneys from 30 cities and municipalities sued the EPA, arguing that the new rules would violate the Clean Air Act. A year later, the DC circuit court agreed, for now, and issued a temporary injunction preventing the EPA from implementing the new laws until the case is settled.

    Undeterred, Bush announced in 2002 that his Clear Skies initiative would lower most power plant emissions by 70% by the year 2018. In fact, environmental groups all say that Clear Skies targets are dramatically lower than those of the existing Clean Air Act. The EPA produced its own programme for reducing power plant emissions that was much tougher than the White House's plan. The White House rejected this proposal. And Congress rejected the Bush administration's plan. The Clear Skies legislation remains stalled in Congress.

    The other major source of air pollution, of course, is motor vehicles. The US has 5% of the world's population and uses between 25% and 30% of the world's oil. (The UK, by comparison, has less than 2% of the world's population and uses 2% of the world's oil.) The US imports 63% of that oil, and more than two-thirds of that foreign oil is burned as transportation fuel. Incredibly, overall fuel economy ratings in the US are worse now than in 1988. By comparison, in Europe, petrol mileage in 1998 was already close to 30 miles per gallon, and now averages almost 35mpg. Japan, by 2002, was averaging more than 34mpg, fast approaching its 2010 goal of 35.5 mpg. Even the Republican-controlled EPA estimates that a three-mile per gallon increase in overall fuel efficiency standards would save Americans $25bn a year in oil costs and reduce annual CO2 emissions by 140m tonnes. Why is America so far behind? Simple: the 2.5m SUVs sold every year.

    SUVs produce almost 45% more air pollution than average cars. The federal government sets fuel economy standards for new passenger cars at 27.5mpg. But this excludes SUVs, which are not even categorised as "cars"; they are on the books as "light trucks" and therefore only have to average 20.7 mpg. Because of the complexities of the regulations, it is technically possible for SUVs to have fuel efficiency standards as low as 12mpg.

    Not only did the White House energy bill not set fuel standards for SUVs, the Republican-led Congress maintained a bill offering a tax benefit that encourages the purchase of the largest, least-efficient brands. If you're in the 35% tax bracket, and you buy a $106,000 Hummer for "business" use, the IRS gives you a refund of $35,000 on the purchase in the first year.

    Another of Bush's first-day-in-office moves was to order a moratorium on Clinton-era Clean Water Act regulations controlling the discharge of raw sewage from what the waste industry likes to call "sanitary sewers". By November 2003, the administration took the moratorium a step further when the EPA announced a plan to allow sewage treatment plants to release biologically untreated waste into rivers and other waterways. But only on rainy days.

    Clean water has been under systematic attack by the Bush administration, whose policies have sought to remove protection from 20m acres of wetlands and allow mountaintop mining companies to dump their waste directly into waterways.

    The Clean Water Act, passed by Congress over Nixon's veto, was established in 1972 not only to regulate the nation's drinking water, but to protect its rivers and lakes for activities such as fishing, swimming and other water sports. According to the Natural Resources Defence Council (NRDC), 30 years later, 75% of Americans live within 10 miles of a polluted river, lake or coastal water.

    With water safety standards declining, the administration, ever mindful of the next election, was faced with two options: make water cleaner, or just tell the public its water was cleaner. The Bush White House being the Bush White House, it chose the latter. In early 2004, the EPA's own Office of the Inspector General issued a report that said the agency had repeatedly made false and misleading statements about the purity of the nation's drinking water. In 2002, the EPA claimed that 91% of Americans were drinking safe tap water. In 2003, it upped the number to 94%. According to the NRDC, scientists within the EPA say the percentage of Americans drinking safe tap- water can be estimated at only 81%.

    Much of this pollution is due to insufficiently regulated industrial activity. By the 1980s, mining interests had pretty much given up on traditional coal mines, and had come up with a new technique that involved literally blasting the top off a mountain and then digging straight down. In the Appalachia region of Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia and Virginia, millions of tons of mountaintop waste has buried 1,200 miles of streams.

    A September 2003 EPA report finds nearly 300 Clean Water Act violations by the mountaintop mining industry. How does the Bush administration react? It moves to change the law by establishing the Mountaintop Mining Self-Reporting Programme, which would allow the industry to police itself and issue small fines for violations. The mining industry donated $3.3m to the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign and other Republican candidates.

    The despoliation of Appalachia is but a portent of things to come if the Bush administration gets its way. Three months after taking office, Bush announced that all public lands, including wilderness areas and national monuments, would be considered for oil and gas drilling. The industry, by the way, donated $46,620,134 to Bush-Cheney, the Republican National Committee and other Republican candidates in the 2000 and 2002 elections, according to the Centre for Responsive Politics.

    In order to prevent hundreds of thousands of acres from being placed under the protection of the Wilderness Act, the Bush administration is allowing the gas industry to stockpile leases and drilling permits on 34m acres of public lands in the Rockies, even though oil and gas is being produced on less than one-third of that land. Once an oil and gas company puts a road on a leased parcel, the land can no longer be protected by the Wilderness Act.

    It is something of a mystery, however, why the administration has been so fixated on giving up the 19m-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, with its 1.5m-acre coastal plain, to oil interests, since 95% of Alaska's North Slope is already open to drilling. Deputy interior secretary Griles has said that opening it up is his "greatest wish". Naturalists have called the ANWR, which is teeming with all manner of vegetation and wildlife, "America's Serengeti". Interior secretary Gale Norton calls it "a flat, white nothingness".

    Proponents of drilling in the ANWR coastal plain claim it "may" contain between 6bn and 16bn barrels of recoverable oil. The Geological Survey estimated that the coastal plain could profitably produce 3.2bn barrels of oil - enough for six months' worth of US consumption. In the end, even the Republican-led Senate felt the administration had overreached. It blocked all the White House's proposals for drilling in the ANWR. Bush vowed to keep on trying.

    Bush's attitude can be seen in the favors he has done to the logging firms, which donated $6,854,321 to the Bush-Cheney campaign and the Republicans in 2000, and which gave a further $3,617,921 in the 2002 electprogramion cycle. Almost a third of the US is covered in forest - some 737m acres. Only around 6% of that is protected by federal law. According to the NRDC, there are already over 380,000 miles of roads that cut through national forests - eight times more than the entire interstate highway system. The Clinton administration, under the Roadless Area Conservation Rule, sought to protect a third of the true wilderness national forest area from further road- building. In its first month in office, the Bush administration set in motion a program to reverse that plan. Henceforth, the industry would get logging and road-building permits whenever it asked for them.

    And the Bush administration has taken its reckless approach to the environment far beyond American shores, not only causing damage to global ecosystems, but also further eroding the US's already spotty reputation as a responsible superpower. In its first three years in office, the Bush White House has rejected, undercut or ignored many of the world's international environmental treaties.

    On February 14 2002, the day Bush announced his Clear Skies proposal, he laid out his plans for tackling global warming. "My administration is committed to cutting our nation's greenhouse gas intensity - how much we emit per unit of economic activity - by 18% over the next 10 years." In fact, the proposal's wording and its accounting would allow emissions actually to increase by 14% over the next decade, according to the NRDC - exactly the rate of increase for the previous decade.

    The Bush White House inherited an environment that had been all but saved by the Clean Air and Clean Water acts of the 1970s. The administration thus turned its back on more than 30 years' worth of advances in environmental legislation and global treaties in order to reward its campaign backers from the oil and gas industries - from whose ranks of executives so many important government posts have been filled. As with the environment, so it is for everything else: it is difficult to point to a single element of American society which comes under federal jurisdiction that is not worse off than it was an administration ago. One can only hope that this is not to be the story of our times, a terrible dream from which we will one day awake only to realize what we've lost.

    This is an edited extract from What We've Lost, by Graydon Carter, published by Little Brown on September 9.

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    THANK YOU! One of our national television stations tried to do a piece on global warming several months ago (it is so obvious- Florida has had two hurricanes within 3 weeks, no scientists, no matter what party they belong to are denying this is global warming- people have had to be relocated from their island homes for good...etc) Anyway, the network was told, by an oil firm, if they run the piece, they will no longer get the ads of the oil holder (big money) piece was pulled. Of course.
    Again thank you!

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    while I am definatly all for the enviroment(and always hated Bush) would anyone care to send some of this "global warming" they are complaining about this way? because we had the coldest summer on record, and I am not exaderating, it was predicted that because of global warming this summer was supposed to be abnormally Hot, boy were they ever wrong when we got the coldest summer on record. +27*C was the warmest temp we had this summer, and we had about 2 days of that, when normally we get weeks and weeks of +40*C temps. this morning is was 0*C and we had severe frost in the middle of July. to be honest that just makes me want to kill people who complain about global warning right now lol but other then that I do care about the enviroment, but I really havent seen the situation in the states, so I cant pass a whole lot of judgment.
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    uhhh...

    see, that your weather is so unpredictable is worth noting. keep track of it. My latest National Geo. is dedicated completely to Global Warming. If I see anything pertaining to what you have experienced, I will let you know! Weird, huh?

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    I'm so glad someone else sees what the Bush Admin. is doing to this country!! Yet another reason why I hope to GOD he gets voted out this coming November.

    Global Warming doesn't neccessarily mean that the whole world is going to be warmer immediately. Unusual weather, in general, is usually blamed on the effects of Global Warming, because of the way it messes up the environment. Some places may have a warmer winter, some may have unexpected snow, others may have numerous hurricanes, etc.
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    Of course, all these discussions are very difficult, since the global environment is so complex. I don't actually believe that global warming is necessarily 100% man made, but what we're doing is just exaggerating the situation at a very unfortunate time, and upsetting a natural balance in a very dangerous way. What I find so unnerving is that it is the huge Corporations (in league with the White House) who are responsible for this, and how their greed is taking away so much which was traditionally community owned and making it private, for the good of the privileged few.

    I just do not understand how it can be that so many presumably intelligent people cannot see where this is leading us. Nobody seems to care about the world that we are leaving to our children, it's all about ME, ME, ME, get rich NOW, somebody else can sort out the problems later. The Corporations are of course very devious, playing on peoples self interest and greed. They say they are working for the common good, when in actual fact it's all about satisfying their shareholders and increasing their profit and power. Nothing else. This is built into the very charters of Corporations. "A Corporations' legally defined mandate is to pursue, relentlessly and without exception, it's own self interest, regardless of harmful consequences it might cause to others".

    They now seem to have practically as much power as government, a most disturbing thought. They determine what we eat, what we watch, what we wear, where we work, and what we do.
    Where's our all important DEMOCRACY in all this? We have to have more regulation, not less. The Enron scandals and all the others are examples of what happens when you weaken the regulations to appease your big business buddies.

    We don't need more Corporations, we need more cooperation.

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    Hrmmm, Bush says: "Prosperity will mean little if we leave to future generations a world of polluted air, toxic lakes and rivers, and vanished forests," but he does exactly that? I'd call that flip flopping!!! hahahahaha "flip, flop, flip, flop, flippity, floppity, floo.." as Al Franken said yesterday on his Air America show.

    Let me just quote the masterful P. Diddy on this one:

    It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

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    Originally posted by sirrahbed
    You feel like pointing fingers - how about pointing at the Soviet Union where they have next to no environmental controls for air, water, etc.
    Soviet Union? Thought that broke up in '91?

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    Seriously, though, I think the Guardian is an exteremly reputable international news source. I don't think they can be written off as propaganda.

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    DUH! I still dial phone numbers too
    LOL!!

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    Originally posted by sirrahbed
    Traditionally, Democrats are seen as being more concerned about the environment and so of course it must follow that President Bush does NOT care about it and I do NOT believe this is the case. I also do not believe many of the statements in that article that claim he has suspended so many environmental compliance acts are based on facts either.
    What would it take for you to believe that Bush has not been an environmentally concerned president? Would you need the legislation he's signed? What organization do you trust?

    I think you're letting your feelings about Bush distort the facts. I'm not a huge environmentalist, but I know enough to know that the environment is most definitely not on Bush's list of priorities.

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    Has he? Tell me, what is so important on his plate these days that he isn't prevented from taking vast amounts of vacation down on the ranch?

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    There are no scientists that disagree on this issue. Across the globe. This is not an arguable issue. It's cut and dry. the depletion of the ozone layer is not theory. There have been 2 and now are 3 hurricanes in FL. I hate to repeat myself, but people are losing land. Boston is losing land.. Insurance companies know it's global warming and they were prepared and are ok.

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    Thank you Sirrahbed, I admire your courage in sticking your fingers into this little hornets nest! Especially when the evidence against your views is so overwhelming.

    I agree with you that one must be very careful in relying on the media for all these statements and statistics, but there are now so many of them, and so well documented, that there has to be some truth in them somewhere. As you say, it isn't hard to find articles full of negativity, but what do you think of all the hate and negativity coming from the Republicans? Just listen to what Dick Cheney, the Swift Boat Veterans or Zell Miller are saying! How condescending, primitive and hateful can you get? Not to mention false and misleading. What is all this Republican talk of "girlie men" and the shameless attacks on decorated war veterans then? Bush promised at the convention that in a second term he would continue to ensure that the rich get richer, no matter how many unfair tax breaks, wasteful military contracts or union-busting laws it takes.
    The hypocrisy is astonishing.

    You admit to being a bit "behind the times" as it were regarding telephones etc. but I'm afraid you are behind the times regarding global warming too. There is very little doubt left in the scientific community about what is happening there. (Those scientists who aren't on the payroll of a large Corporation that is).
    To state that "Global warming is largely unknown and largely scientific theory" is not true. It's not "largely unknown" anymore, it's largely accepted as a real problem. And to say that it "makes a great movie though" is just superficial and condescending, and ignores the issue.

    And pointing at the Soviet Union where they have next to no environmental controls for air, water, etc. does not in any way condone the actions of your own government.

    I must also disagree over your argument that "Democrats are seen as being more concerned about the environment and so of course it must follow that President Bush does NOT care about". That is not a forgone conclusion, or at least a very weird argument, the facts seem to suggest very strongly that Bush is NOT taking the condition of our environment seriously.

    You also state: "The article is nothing but propaganda. - I would not have to look far to find a similar article that states everything from an opposing viewpoint"
    No, you wouldn't have to look far, but would the article be factual, or would it just be government/big business propaganda? Surely there can be bits of truth in both of them?

    "Why are YOU picking on America anyway? You don't even live here do you? Are you American? Then come back and do something about what you are complaining about. If not, how about closing your mouth."

    See! Now you've blown it! How disappointing. Typical Republican rant, a rather insulting remark. I am not American, I'm British, living in Denmark ("a small, insignificant country" to some Americans). I live in a society where there is freedom of speech and a reasonable degree of tolerance and compassion. It's called a democracy. Apparently your attitude is that if people say things you don't agree with, then they must "close their mouth". Not very democratic or tolerant I fear.
    If you really want to know, I'll tell you exactly why I'm "picking on America" as you fallaciously put it. It is because your manipulative, secretive, possibly corrupt President and his administration are causing horrific problems for me and hundreds of millions of other people in the world. Are you aware of this? This administration wants globalization and deregulation of business, but doesn't want to have to respect other nations rights. They want to give huge Corporations the right to plunder and misuse the rights of the people for their own ends. This isn't just an American problem by any means, but America happens to be by far the biggest and most effective exponent of it.

    If you think it's just me who's got a problem with this, here's a recent CNN news story:
    Bush-bashing a favorite sport for Europeans

    Or this from a recent poll:
    The world wants President Bush out of the White House, according to a poll released on Wednesday that shows in 30 of 35 countries people preferred Democrat candidate John Kerry.
    Kerry was particularly favored in traditionally strong U.S. allies and beat Bush on average by more than a two-to-one margin, 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan Inc, a global research firm, and the University of Maryland, said.
    "Only one in five want to see Bush re-elected. Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win handily if the people of the world were to elect the U.S. president," Steven Kull, director of the university's program on international policy attitudes, said.
    Asked how the foreign policy of Bush has affected their feelings toward the United States, a majority or plurality of respondents in 30 countries said it made them feel worse about America, while in three countries more respondents said they felt better.


    You can think that this is irrelevant or unimportant, and I'm sure you think it's none of my business, but as I said, hundreds of millions of people would not agree with you. Nor about half of America it appears.

    Do you really not care at all what the rest of the world thinks of your country? Do you really think that other peoples opinions are irrelevant? Don't you want to regain the respect that has been lost under the Bush Administration? I'm sure that you are concerned for the fate of your children and the coming generations, don't all these claims concern you at all? When you see such conflicting statements don't you begin to wonder whether there may not be enough truth in them that they should be published and discussed, and that something has to be done about it? Or should we all just close our mouths and ignore it?

    This is the Internet, a global communication form, let's keep the right for freedom of speech here at least.

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    I have to say Sirrahbed I am shocked at how defensive you are regarding this subject, it's like how dare Jonza point the finger at America, its not about pointing fingers, who is the worst and who is the best, its a world-wide problem that just has to be addressed.

    NZ is well known for its clean green image, however I think we have a long way to go to achieve this, and I would be in total agreement with anyone who pointed out what we are doing wrong in this country.

    As much as I love my country and am proud to be a New Zealander, I am not above criticism of Aotearoa, and we just all have to get on with it and protect our world to make it a better place for us all and future generations.

    I agree with a lot of your comments Jonza, and I am not even going to attempt to say anything about Bush or US politics, because I simply donot know enough about them.

    Regarding Global warming, its here and its not going away in a hurry, and yes we all have played our part.
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