My Rant. Senator Stevens, Alaska's AH representatives. My argument for term limits.

[blue]

Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, recently convicted on 7 felony charges, could still represent AK. Its not just Stevens, Don Young has been under investigation over the past year as well.

Ill take a democrat senator if Uncle Ted is expelled from the senate but I will not vote for one. Give me a democrat congressman if Young is guilty as well.

The Jackhole Ted has representented AK for 40 years, he is out of touch with Alaskans. He has been convicted of 7 counts of corruption/taking bribes. His ego and arrogance has gotten in the way of proper representation of Alaskan citizens in the federal elections and he might actualy be the only felon as a Senator this term if my fellow Alaskans vote him in.

The arguments for keeping Stevens and Young in office are their seniority and the key pannels, boards, WTF ever they are called, they are on. They not only hold sway over cash coming here but cash going to other states.

We need term limits. We need to stop our representatives looking out for themselves and not looking out for us

Ive been asked to stop white posting, so if you dont like my spelling ( I know my spelling sucks) deal with it.

Why this has to do with non Alaskans...

Both Don Young And Ted Stevens have been in the Congressional branch for so long they are on key commitees that impact your lives in 1 way or another.

I do not want my representatives impacting your lives simply because of how long they have spent in public office. I want my representatives looking out for me, not their public power or what they can do for you.

This goal can best be achieved with term limits, and eliminating seniority positions in federal postings.

Ive had a long day , Im ranting, I needed a small vent, and I hope I made some point.

[Karen]

Oh, goodness! How could Alaskans keep re-electing them?

You have my sympathies.

[Grace]

We need term limits. We need to stop our representatives looking out for themselves and not looking out for us

Why this has to do with non Alaskans...

Both Don Young And Ted Stevens have been in the Congressional branch for so long they are on key commitees that impact your lives in 1 way or another.

I do not want my representatives impacting your lives simply because of how long they have spent in public office. I want my representatives looking out for me, not their public power or what they can do for you.

This goal can best be achieved with term limits, and eliminating seniority positions in federal postings.

To obtain the term limits, the Constitution will have to be amended - just as it was in 1951, with the ratification of the 22nd Amendment. Since amendments are usually introduced by members of Congress, I'm thinking you might have a hard time getting this one started?

Article Five -

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

[joycenalex]

blue, we have term limits on state offices here in ohio.( i'm pretty sure it was enacted in 1992.) and i voted for it. i am happy, mostly about how it has worked, BUT, and here is the biggest problems from my view point...1-some state wide issues are fairly complex and crafting solutions for them can be a multi year job (for example here in ohio the HUGE problem with widely variable educational levels for students) 2- by the time a legislator gets up to speed and knowledge and useful to work with other legislators way on a thorny complex issue, (like moving away from property tax funding of education to another equitable way to pay for the education of those students), they are at the end of their second term, and on their way out. that legislative knowledge goes with them and away from the state house. i am happy that there is always fresh brains coming up, (and some are brighter brains then others that is true) but we do lose something. sigh, sometimes throwing the bums out has a cost.

[Edwina's Secretary]

But what about "original intent"? It was not the original intent of the Founding Fathers to have term limits.

And...who votes for a convicted felon anyway?

[blue]

But what about "original intent"? It was not the original intent of the Founding Fathers to have term limits.

And...who votes for a convicted felon anyway?

The amendment process is part of the original intent. I doubt the Founding Fathers thought we would have career politions or polititians leading us down the road to socialism.

People who think keeping the positions that Stevens holds in DC is more important then 7 silly little felonies. I voted AIP this year, I couldnt bring myself to vote for Mark Begich and a damn sure wasnt voting for a founding member of The Corrupt Bastards Club.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The amendment process is part of the original intent. I doubt the Founding Fathers thought we would have career politions or polititians leading us down the road to socialism.

I suspect the Founding Fathers also did not know the US population would grow from about 5 million in 1800 to about 300 million today.

They most likely did not know that "arms" would go from hand loaded muskets to the high powered killing machines they are today.

As you so ably point out...things are very different today than over 200 years ago.

[moosmom]

And...who votes for a convicted felon anyway?

My thoughts exactly.

[blue]

Yet the difference between us is you would like to see unconstitutional laws enacted to circumvent the Constitution, and I would like to see the Constitution amended according to the original intent of our Founding Fathers. A law limiting the amount of terms a Congressman or senator can serve would be as unconstitutional as any law restricting the Second Amendment.

This country amended the Constitution to limit the amount of terms a person can serve as President can serve to two, Amendment 22.

Amendment 22 - Presidential Term Limits. Ratified 2/27/1951. History

1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President, when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

It would take another amendment to enact term limits for federal senators and congressmen, and I wouldnt have it any other way.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yet the difference between us is you would like to see unconstitutional laws enacted to circumvent the Constitution, and I would like to see the Constitution amended according to the original intent of our Founding Fathers.

Gosh darn it...there you go again. How do you know what I want is unconstitutional laws? Maybe I want a constitutional amendment to modify the Second amendment!

When did you meet the Founding Fathers? I am always in awe of folks who know what they intended. Time travelers? What they intended, as you have pointed out, did not take into consideration the world we live in today.

[blue]

Gosh darn it...there you go again. How do you know what I want is unconstitutional laws? Maybe I want a constitutional amendment to modify the Second amendment!

When did you meet the Founding Fathers? I am always in awe of folks who know what they intended. Time travelers? What they intended, as you have pointed out, did not take into consideration the world we live in today.

I made the assumtion on the fact that you support laws banning or restricting firearms, my bad. Any law restricting the Second Amendent is unconstitutional. Even the hard left knows there is not enough votes to pass an amendment restricting the 2nd Amendment.

What the founding Fathers intended is well documented. The Founding fathers did take into account the world Americans would live in long after they where dead and they wrote provisions for it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

What the founding Fathers intended is well documented. The Founding fathers did take into account the world Americans would live in long after they where dead and they wrote provisions for it.

I would like you to show me where the Founding Fathers predicted what the United States would be like in 200 years? Please?

You know, 50 states stretching from ocean to ocean...the end of slavery, the emancipation of women, the Civil War, electricity, telephone, automobiles, trains, planes, two world wars, an increase in population from a few million to 300 million, transformation from agrarian to urban, life expectancy doubled just to name a few. The end of monarchy as they knew it, the end of many of deadly diseases -- small pox, typhoid, polio and the cure for others.

The atom bomb.

Where are these provision for these?

The Founding Fathers were just men. Men who created a great document, yes. But they were not Supermen who could predict the future.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Any law restricting the Second Amendent is unconstitutional.

Oh yeah. I don't agree with you. Unless of course, you share my interpretation of the Second Amendment.

[blue]

Since I first started this thread I have been trying to word a petition to start a grass root effort to amend the constition to add term limits for our representatives. Term limits would greatly reduce the influence of lobbiests, would eliminate commity seats based on seniority, and would streamline the learning curve for freshmen representatives.

With shortenned, finite term limits the urge to vote for $$$ might increase so corruption laws would need to be re-evaluated both for detection of corruption and punishment on conviction of corruption. I dont see how this part would be in a possible amendment but Ild be interested if anybody could make an argument for it.

[blue]

Oh yeah. I don't agree with you.

Care to explain why?