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    Please Support This **Update** It Passed

    Doesn't matter what political party you belong to, everyone should be
    concerned with protecting our children from preditors. Please take a minute
    to read about the Protect Our Children Act & contact your representative.

    The agency fighting this needs to be fully funded. It needs to be a priority
    for both parties. Thanks on behalf of all children.

    http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahsh...tows_predators
    Last edited by lizbud; 10-21-2008 at 09:02 AM.
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    So, warrantless surveillance by the federal government is bad if it's for national security reasons, but good if it's to protect the children?
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    So, warrantless surveillance by the federal government is bad if it's for national security reasons, but good if it's to protect the children?


    If it's to protect children,and it is, it's a good thing.
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    "People who are willing to sacrifice a little bit of freedom for a little bit of security, shall have nor DESERVE either."

    Benjamin Franklin
    "Unlike most of you, I am not a nut."

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    "If the enemy opens the door, you must race in."

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    I WAS a victim of sexual abuse as a child, and I can't get behind something so invasive. No way.

    (OMG, do Puckstop and I agree on something?!)

    Thank you Wolf_Q!

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    LOL

    My child's safety and security is MY responsibility. A responsibility that I take VERY seriously. Surely it is impossible to gurantee 100% safety, but with a little research and legwork you can do a lot of things to keep your children safe from predators. It all starts with responsible parenting. Something the bloody government needs to keep its hands out of.

    "Train up a child in the way he should go; and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6
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    If the Federal Government continues with it's power grab in the realm of law enforcement, we may as well just disband State and local agencies, and have them all fall under the Federal law enforcement banner. After all, with packet switching networks, almost every communication made during the commission of a crime renders it as an interstate matter, and thus should be in the hands of Federal law enforcement anyway.

    Then we could really accuse the police of being the Stazi.

    Our children's protection is first and foremost OUR responsibility. Not government's. Frankly, I don't want either their help or interference in those matters.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Well, it's pretty clear that nobody who posted so far has even read the bill
    that's being talked about. I hope that those who do look & read up on this
    legislation decide to support efforts to stop the creation & distribution of
    child porn in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Well, it's pretty clear that nobody who posted so far has even read the bill
    that's being talked about. I hope that those who do look & read up on this
    legislation decide to support efforts to stop the creation & distribution of
    child porn in this country.

    My current career has me a Network Systems Engineer. This job has exposed me to situations where I am working on computers where the user has viewed/stored/created/distributed child pornography. Each and every time I have reported it to the police. Each and EVERY time, there never was the evidence or the will to procede with charges.

    NOTHING the government or law enforcement can or WILL do can protect my daughter from this stuff more than I can.

    Again I stress... Child safety from <insert horrible thing here> comes from PARENTS taking PERSONAL responsibility for THEIR child. Do not pass the buck to ANYone other than yourself.

    No way in HELL will I allow MY childs wellbeing to be the responsibility of anyone other than myself or her mother. The idea of "it takes a village" is utter bullcrap. It takes parents who are willing to be their childs PARENTS and not their friend.

    I love my daughter with every fiber of my soul. Right now (almost 1 year old) it is a lot of fun. But sooner or later she is going to be a challenge. not because of anything we do or do not do, but because of man's inherit nature.

    I need to do just as the Bible tells me too. "Raise her up in the way that she should go." Ignore the religion in that... Look at the wisdom there in.
    "Unlike most of you, I am not a nut."

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    Liz, I went to Thomas and read the bill in toto.

    There are no restrictions requiring a warrant before the "suspects" are monitored.

    There are no restrictions on the definition of "images of child abuse".

    It's far too open ended, and leaves too much open for interpretation.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Puck'ster, and LH, to a tiny degree:

    The safety and security of OUR children is OUR responsibility. I strongly disagree that the safety and security of YOUR child is YOUR responsibility, alone. Children, one day, leave the clutches of their parents..be it preschool, day care, field trips, sporting events, etc. No way can a single parent- no matter how viligant- be the single source eye/ear for their child. If only.

    I want ANY one looking after my child, in the event I am not present. Right now, Jonah is in preschool. I would want the teacher/aide/administrator/ volunteer in the classroom to immediately call 241-kids (our hotline here, locally) if they suspected something afoul.

    I realize that the two of you weren't really not saying otherwise (nice double negative), but, I do want to point out that it is more than "responsible parenting" or "being careful" that needs to be done. I do think children need special protection- without any comment being made on the particular bill up for discussion. I didn't read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataholic View Post
    Puck'ster, and LH, to a tiny degree:

    The safety and security of OUR children is OUR responsibility. I strongly disagree that the safety and security of YOUR child is YOUR responsibility, alone. Children, one day, leave the clutches of their parents..be it preschool, day care, field trips, sporting events, etc. No way can a single parent- no matter how viligant- be the single source eye/ear for their child. If only.
    I understand what you are trying to say. Still, I would rather trust myself of my wife to investigate the people our child will be with when we are not there. There are a lot of tools at our disposal to look into coaches /teachers /etc criminal/ whatever history.

    Also, please do not misunderstand me. I am not going to smother our child and be fearful at every step. We are just not going to "trust" the 'system' to be responsible, all on it's own. If/when Hannah wants to get into sports (etc), you better belive I am going to check into the coaches and staff's background, as much as is legal. Also, Hannah is going to be homeschooled until at least age 12. We are blessed to have access to a wonderful, faith based, homeschool group near us. The group is really neat. They have field trips, group sessions and such. The high school age kids even have a PROM. LOL And yes, I plan on digging into the background of the other homeschool parents who teach the certain subjects they are proficient in.

    The Libertarian in me just fully distrusts anything the government does. LOL

    I realize that the two of you weren't really not saying otherwise (nice double negative), but, I do want to point out that it is more than "responsible parenting" or "being careful" that needs to be done. I do think children need special protection- without any comment being made on the particular bill up for discussion. I didn't read it.
    Indeed they do. We just disagree, sorta, on what that special protection should be. To us, it is simple. God commands parents to raise their children up in the way that they should go. Parents, not the community. Community is important, but at the end of the day, the parents are responsible.

    Of course this does not guarantee Hannah will be perfect or even grow to be a confident, self reliant, honorable person. But it sure increases the odds.
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    Anyone who wants additional information or find answers to questions
    concerning S.B. 1738 , can check this //www.protect.org/childPornography/

    It has links to the bill language itself & a Q & A section for law inforcement
    personnel. Children need to be a priority.They are our future. Please help
    by asking your Senators to support the bill.
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    It's good to know these creeps don't always slip through the cracks.
    This man worked for our local FOX network as a film & camera tech.



    Police: Indy Man Had Thousands Of Child Porn Images, Movies
    Man Also Accused Of Distributing Child Porn

    POSTED: 11:34 am EDT October 4, 2008
    UPDATED: 12:03 pm EDT October 4, 2008


    INDIANAPOLIS -- An Indianapolis man went before a federal judge on Friday to answer to charges of possessing and distributing child pornography.

    Michael Wildridge, 40, had thousands of images and movies of child pornography on his home computer, according to the affidavit, including depictions of children as young as infants and numerous children engaged in explicit sexual conduct.

    He was also accused of distributing child pornography to a former resident of Miami Beach, Fla., who was sentenced to federal prison for the crime, according to the affidavit.

    Wildridge’s arrest was the result of a joint investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, along with authorities in Hamilton County, Brownsburg and Indianapolis.

    Wildridge was arrested at his home on Friday morning and appeared before U.S. Magistrate Judge Kennard P. Foster in Indianapolis on Friday afternoon. He was ordered held in custody pending a detention hearing on Wednesday at 2 p.m.
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    OMG. You can't tell who it might be by just looking.

    My prayers for those children and their parents! I hope they heal.

    What an unspeakable and brutal betrayal of trust and abuse of position.
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