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    This Is The Attitude I Face......

    everyday when I walk my dogs. People like this really, really scare me. What about cigarette smoke? Second hand smoke alone kills 50,000 people a year.

    It's time to put an end to the carnage of pit bulls

    By Matt Rosenberg
    Special to The Times




    America can count on two things this summer: Western forest fires and gruesome carnage by pit bulls. The latter is already well under way in Washington, and across the U.S.

    Yet, experts aplenty criticize breed-specific regulations. They urge more public education. Unfortunately, though, too many thuggish or careless pit bull owners aren't interested in learning responsibility.

    And as it happens, pit bulls stand alone among dogs as killers. A study in the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association shows that over 20 years, pit bulls lead in human dog-bite-related fatalities for which breed was reported. They're followed at some distance by Rottweilers, then German Shepherds and Huskies.

    According to the Centers for Disease Control, pit bulls are also among the breeds that bite most often. About 800,000 of the estimated 4.7 million annual U.S. dog bites require medical treatment. Insurance claims total $1 billion a year.

    Definitions of pit bulls include American Pit Bull Terriers, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers and mixes including those breeds. Pit bulls have historically been fighters. Many are still bred for violence. Thus, local laws may ban them or require they be caged, or muzzled and restrained ? sometimes even micro-chipped and heavily insured.

    In other words, they're ticking time bombs, as Western Washington has been recently reminded. In three West Seattle incidents this spring, pit bulls attacked dogs (one died, another was severely injured) and a man, Joseph Muñoz. He suffered three broken ribs, a punctured lung, broken back and multiple scars. Muñoz says, "These dangerous dogs need to be taken off the streets of Seattle."

    In March, a pit bull mauled a 3-year-old boy to death in Lakewood, Pierce County. In April, two pit bulls attacked a Renton police dog pursuing a suspect, then were shot by police.

    Nationwide reports this spring further highlight the pit bull menace. Here's a very partial sampling.

    ? In Cortlandt, N.Y., a seated 75-year-old woman visiting a friend's home bled to death after the friend's pit bull suddenly attacked her face.

    ? A roommate's pit bull attacked a Huntington, W. Va., man, breaking hand bones and nearly severing his pinky.

    ? A 52-year-old electric meter reader lost an ear and part of her scalp to a pit bull in Brevard County, Fla.

    ? Pit bulls attacked a 64-year-old Augusta, Maine, man outside his apartment. He got 14 stitches for wounds on an arm and wrist.

    ? In suburban Salt Lake City, a 3-year-old girl in a park had her face torn apart by a pit bill.

    ? In the Bronx, another badly ripped up a 10-year-old boy's leg.

    "Certain breeds represent a very significantly increased risk of death or injury," a Nationwide Mutual Insurance spokesman told the Chicago Tribune. The company won't cover households with pit bulls, Rottweilers and four other breeds. Other industry officials agree breed is increasingly a major factor.

    Governments are wary, too. Pit Bull Rescue Central reports Denmark, Norway, Holland and Romania ban pit bulls, likewise at least 55 U.S. jurisdictions. These include Denver; Miami-Dade County; Prince George's County, Md.; and Puerto Rico. Some bans also include Rottweilers.

    The Spokane City Council recently banned non-service animals from large downtown events. Police told the Spokesman-Review they're especially concerned about breeds including pit bulls and Rottweilers. A captain notes, "Our fear is one of these dogs is going to take a child's face off... "

    Last week, the Seattle City Council added animals that severely injure another to its definition of dangerous critters, subject to micro-chipping, banishment or humane disposal. Also new is a civil citation of "potentially dangerous" animals for minor bites and various aggressive behaviors.

    It's an improvement, but a pit bull ban is required here. True, complications can arise about what is and isn't a pit bull, and a ban isn't always easy to enforce. However, this only underscores the need for clear definitions and procedures, and prioritization of funding. We need safety, not excuses.

    So-civil Seattle already bans sidewalk-sitting and public urination; and will continue through this summer exterminating geese, because their abundant fecal matter causes "swimmer's itch" and may pose disease risks. That's all well and good. But neither the homeless nor pooping waterfowl chew up dogs, able-bodied adults or children, with "jaws of death."

    People now deter attacking pit bulls with their own weapons, like baseball bats, recently near Vancouver, Clark County, and Santa Fe, N.M.; and a handgun, in Columbus, Ohio.

    Something is fundamentally askew when clandestine, organized pit bull fights are sprouting nationwide; when so many pit bulls are abandoned; and when others regularly run free, or bust loose and attack.

    You might own a docile, loving pit bull. Others may responsibly harbor a perfectly legal Bushmaster XM15-A3 assault rifle. Neither should be allowed.



    Matt Rosenberg is a Seattle writer and regular contributor to The Times' editorial pages. E-mail him at [email protected]
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    *sighs* I really feel bad for people who judge dogs on there bad reputation..when they dont know them. They judge the whole entire breed for a handful of dogs. I have found pit bulls to be very affectionate dogs. There probaly the most affectionate dog on my list. They think banning the breed will stop pit bulls from being bad dogs? NOT IN MY OPINION. Its never the dog thats bad, its always the stupid owners and breeders, that make them that way. If we had more responsible people in the world, I think they would think twice before calling pits a "horrible breed" Ok, ill stop.

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    Yes, it's just another example of propaganda silliness. I feel really sorry for people who believe everything they read or see on tv.
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    Originally posted by Cheshirekatt
    Yes, it's just another example of propaganda silliness. I feel really sorry for people who believe everything they read or see on tv.

    you mean the flintstones are fake???

    most of the blame lies with the owners...

    we had some jerky kids that lived around the corner teach a pit to lunge at everything that moved...it go so bad they fenced the dog OUT of their yard......it was too much to handle....
    forget the dogs, euthanize the owners..
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    Originally posted by RICHARD
    you mean the flintstones are fake???

    most of the blame lies with the owners...

    we had some jerky kids that lived around the corner teach a pit to lunge at everything that moved...it go so bad they fenced the dog OUT of their yard......it was too much to handle....
    forget the dogs, euthanize the owners..
    OMG!! I'm watching the Flintstones RIGHT NOW!!

    Euthanize the owners? Sounds good to me.

    I've been lunged at my many a dog.....not one of them has been a pitty. Well, I take that back....

    I've been lunged at, knocked down and licked all over! lol
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    I have always loved all dogs, however no matter how nice a pit bull is I would never trust one and would not go near one. I also agree that the owners are responsible for what happens with their pit bulls and the law should be very strict in making owners take out insurance and they should go to obedience school although I don't know if that would help.

    My reasoning: Our two Schnauzers were attacked in our own patio by a pitbull who lived next door. We had put up a six foot fence all the way down to the street to protect our dogs, however this pitbull broke his chain, then broke through our fence to get to them. We happen to be at the grocery store. When we came home we found our male lying on the bottom step of our patio barely alive, he had punctured lungs and bites. Our little female was in the dog house with her shoulder ripped wide open and bleeding profusely. the pitbull's chain got caught on a fence or he would have finished them off. That was a year ago and I still have nightmares about finding them like that.
    We rushed them to the emergency vet hospital, they were there over a week and I'm happy to say they are doing wonderful today, after Daisy had surgery on her shoulder and Perry's lungs and bites got better. Our Vet bills were way over 3,000, who paid for them? Not the people who had the Pitbull, they were renting as section 8s and the owner of the house paid. The owners of the pitbull were summoned to court, did they show up? No, there is a arrest warrent for them.
    We went through a very long period of rehabilition with them, carrying them in and out etc. etc. The people next door had three pitbulls, now they are down to one and our dogs are prisoners in their own yard, we cannot let them outside without one of us with them.
    The same week this happened another elderly woman was sitting on the porch in our city with her dog and another pitbull attacked her dog and luckily a passerby saved it.
    Do I like Pitbulls? I realize all dogs are different, however I would never trust one and don't expect to ever be near one if I can help it.
    Jackie, Perry and Miss Daisy


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    Wow, that's too bad that happened to you. I'm glad your dogs are ok. That's what's important in the end.

    I have to admit that being lumped in with people living in section 8 housing is a little weird.

    I live in a nice house, put up a 6 foot fence, train my dogs extensively and only ever have them out on leashes. They're licensed and vaccinated and micro-chipped.

    It's unfortunate that pittys are attractive to the wrong element of society. I believe this the what causes many of the problems.

    I've been bitten by several dogs and had a lab attack one of my dogs. I understand dog behavior enough to realise this is just how some dogs are. I don't hate labs now and would never try to segregate myself from them.

    IMHO any dog that attacks a person unprovoked should be considered a dangerous dog and appropriate measures should be taken.

    Again, I'm glad your dogs are ok.

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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    Not the people who had the Pitbull, they were renting as section 8s and the owner of the house paid.

    Section 8's are the people who live in places that are subsidised by the government...


    since they do not have the financial incentive to keep their place and the neighborhood in a liveable condition they come in and destroy and terrorize the neighborhood.

    THEY ARE NOT ALL LIKE THAT. but you will get the
    pieces of trash who keep those poor animals and TEACH THEM to attack, for their own entertainment.....the poor animals are usually kept, as jackie alluded to, on chains and they are never walked or housed or cared for in a responsible manner. so when the dogs get loose there is all hell to pay...

    most of the times the dogs are treated as 'throwaways' the dog become too vicious to keep and the owners either turn them loose or pound them

    Jackie, i'm sorry that you had to find you babies in that condition....


    again, forget the dogs, euthanize the IRRESPONSIBLE owners....
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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    I have always loved all dogs, however no matter how nice a pit bull is I would never trust one and would not go near one.
    So you'd never trust Simba or go near him?????

    PLEASE answer my PM and/or e-mail about FTLOD.








    As for the subject, i find how people feel about Pit Bulls racism... Breedism.

    I like quoting Richard.... so.... Like he says "forget the dogs, euthanize the IRRESPONSIBLE owners...."

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    Richard you are quite right, I talked to the people when they moved in and asked them about the dogs and they said oh they are friendly, they just don't like other dogs and women, that is when we decided to build the 6 ft. fence, we had a four foot chain link fence.
    They had the three pitbulls chained with a stake in the ground, water buckets spilled over, no cover from the sun, etc. etc. the pitbull was so strong he pulled the stake out and I guess kept hitting the fence until he broke a hole big enough to jump through.
    After the incident they gave one pitbull to the guys father, the one who attacked to a friend and kept one. However in their behalf I will say they keep this one in the house 24/7, not very good for the dog as the only time he gets to go out is to do his
    duty. I feel sorry for the dog.
    My Daisy was in her doghouse and I had to run by the pitbull to get to her, luckily he was caught on his chain, I got Daisy out and she was in such pain while I was carrying her, she bit me numerous times.
    I'm so thankful both dogs survived and are well today, they are our whole life, since our kids are grown, they give us a reason to get up in the morning and the last thing we hug at night.

    If people like that can't afford to pay for their rent, how can they afford three pitbulls? They also have two small children. I truly feel sorry for the pitbulls, they are not at fault, those people are, for not treating them humanely, what else can one expect from people like that?
    Jackie


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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935

    If people like that can't afford to pay for their rent, how can they afford three pitbulls? They also have two small children. I truly feel sorry for the pitbulls, they are not at fault, those people are, for not treating them humanely, what else can one expect from people like that?
    Jackie

    This is a very good point. I wish people who couldn't afford to keep pets properly wouldn't have them.

    Not to mention the poor kids......

    Again, I'm really glad that your babies are ok.
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    KayAnn, if you want to know the truth, I would have to meet him and see how it all went, I'm sure you can understand my feelings in this. I think you would have had to been there, I know how much you love Simba and I don't blame you but understand we love Perry and Daisy so very much too. I don't blame all pitbulls
    I'm just very wary of them, as he was trying to get to me when I was getting Daisy out of her doghouse.
    As far as FTLODs, if you read the description we only allow members who are over 18 as there is some material not suitable for young people and the Ass't Manager was just doing her job. I'm sorry.
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    What a terrible experience I am so glad your dogs are okay. Not to take this too literally, but I can see why you tend to distance yourself from the breed.

    I have never met a pitbull but in the past after hearing everything on the news, even though I was usually on the dogs side, I used to be afraid of ever meeting one. Also in school, we had this one week in French class where we read stories and discussed dogs and one of the stories was about the pitbull and how they "have it in their breed and history that they are like this and a reason they are usually the ones who 'attack' is because they have locking jaws" so I sort of believed that. PT has helped me a lot because now I know it's bad owners, and that locking jaws are a myth...I hate the way they blow things out of porportion and how I believed them. My sister once said how pitbulls are so violent and I gave her such a lecture lol I think I convinced her to think differently about them.

    Cheshirekatt - How many pitties do you have? I only know of one, Wilma. (lol Flinstones again )

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    Originally posted by primabella
    Cheshirekatt - How many pitties do you have? I only know of one, Wilma. (lol Flinstones again )
    Wilma is the only 'full' pit I have. Joxer is pitty/boxer and Buford isn't pitty at all.

    It's funny, but the only non-pitty I own is the one that I trust the least around other dogs. But for some reason people seem to think all brindle dogs are pitty so I get that misconception a lot.
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    Originally posted by jackiesdaisy1935
    KayAnn, if you want to know the truth, I would have to meet him and see how it all went, I'm sure you can understand my feelings in this. I think you would have had to been there, I know how much you love Simba and I don't blame you but understand we love Perry and Daisy so very much too. I don't blame all pitbulls
    I'm just very wary of them, as he was trying to get to me when I was getting Daisy out of her doghouse.
    As far as FTLODs, if you read the description we only allow members who are over 18 as there is some material not suitable for young people and the Ass't Manager was just doing her job. I'm sorry.
    Jackie
    I understand.


    If it was really "For the love of dogs" and since i've been there since it has started i don't see any reason why i was banned or kids my age shouldn't be allowed.

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