Flight 253

[Grace]

From Amsterdam to Detroit, today - another incident involving a Nigerian man.

From the Detroit Free Press -

2nd man in custody after in-air disruption today

By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press

WASHINGTON — The Associated Press has learned that a second Nigerian man has been taken into custody aboard a jetliner in Detroit after locking himself in the airliner’s bathroom.

A law enforcement official tells the AP that the incident took place aboard the same Northwest flight that was attacked on Christmas Day. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the incident was ongoing.

A Delta spokeswoman says all 256 passengers have been safely taken off the plane. Delta operates the Northwest flight.

[pomtzu]

Now doesn't that just give everyone such and warm and fuzzy feeling about flying the friendly skies???

I don't do planes - I take the train!

[lizbud]

What is going on?

Ivana Trump was also escorted off a plane in Fla. Different reason though,
she objected to screaming children on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=9429015

[Cataholic]

All of this is so incredulous. These rules about liquids, breast milk (though I have heard that has changed) drinks, etc., and somehow someone got past security with all the tools necessary to detonate a plane? Someone on some 'list'- reported by his own father, and he got on a plane without a secondary inspection?

[Grace]

I was watching several of the Sunday morning shows today. Someone brought up the father of #1 going to the U.S. Embassy 6 months ago. Another of the panelists wondered to whom the father spoke - maybe a Nigerian who happened to work there? Maybe the message never got passed up the chain?

As for the ingredients of the incendiary device - another panelist questioned - how do we know #1 brought all the stuff on board by himself? He had a reservation, and seat assignment. Maybe someone in the cleaning/maintenance crew stuck something to the bottom of his seat - or in the bathroom? Anything is possible these days.

It's beginning to look like #2 is just a bad copycat. He did everything to draw attention to himself - unlike #1.

Actually, it was kind of interesting to see all the luggage lined up on the runway, and the dog sniffing each piece.

Like Ellie, I also don't do planes. I drive - or stay home

[Grace]

What is going on?

Ivana Trump was also escorted off a plane in Fla. Different reason though,
she objected to screaming children on board.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/...ory?id=9429015

She's a piece of work - all that money certainly hasn't seemed to buy her happiness or peace of mind.

[pomtzu]

Like Ellie, I also don't do planes. I drive - or stay home

Most people think I'm nuts for not flying. I suppose I would in an absolute emergency, but I've never had such an emergency crop up yet.

A couple of years ago I passed up an all expense paid trip to Maui, with accommodations in an oceanfront share condo. A friend of mine was giving it to me, since he already had the date reserved and couldn't change it, and he couldn't go due to family issues.

I was tempted, but in the end, just couldn't do it. Not an emergency!

[lizbud]

I read somewhere that nut #1 had a powder sewn into his underware
and the liguid was in a syringe he had on him. They should have spotted
the needle at least.

Nut #2 stayed the the bathroom for over an hour & would not get
out in preparation for landing.

[Grace]

I read somewhere that nut #1 had a powder sewn into his underware
and the liguid was in a syringe he had on him. They should have spotted
the needle at least.

Nut #2 stayed the the bathroom for over an hour & would not get
out in preparation for landing.

The syringe did not have a needle on it. You don't need the needle to draw up liquids.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Nut #2 stayed the the bathroom for over an hour &
would not get out in preparation for landing.

Solution:

Build the bathrooms as a seperate and sealed compartment in the plane.
* "Occupant" stays too long or acts phunny ... Pilot turns on the *knock-out gas*
and puts the dude to sleep. Land and haul his/her ass out later.

OR ---
Build the potty as an *EJECTABLE Pod* ---
* Trouble in Potty 3 ? --- Push da Button & ***WHOOSH*** --- Off he goes!

[lizbud]

Solution:

Build the bathrooms as a seperate and sealed compartment in the plane.
* "Occupant" stays too long or acts phunny ... Pilot turns on the *knock-out gas*
and puts the dude to sleep. Land and haul his/her ass out later.

OR ---
Build the potty as an *EJECTABLE Pod* ---
* Trouble in Potty 3 ? --- Push da Button & ***WHOOSH*** --- Off he goes!

Sounds good to me. Grace, I didn't know that.

[Grace]

#2 was in the bathroom because he was ill. Not sure if it was an up or down problem. Whichever, he needed the facilities no matter it was the last hour of the flight.

He is a business man from Nigeria.

I'm just retired from Michigan, but if I had to go, I would go - rules or no rules.

[cassiesmom]

I guess I am confused; and I haven't been on an airplane for a few years now. Flight 253 on Christmas, the man had explosives stitched into his underwear. I heard on the news tonight there is almost no way to screen for that. But the second man, was he in the lavatory for a long time only because he became ill? Would they have re-screened passengers arriving from Nigeria who were continuing from Amsterdam to Detroit? What would be the advantage of restricting all passengers to their seats for the final hour of a flight? I don't see it.

[kitten645]

I will continue to fly because I won't give in to the terrorists. I'm sort of fatalistic anyway. If' it's your turn to go, well there's not much to be done about it.
In any case, I can't believe that this guy got thru security in two different cities! He flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam and then onto Detroit. I saw an interview with one of the passengers that subdued him. Looks like it was quick thinking on their part.
I believe the father reported him to both the US Embassy and to the Nigerian government. This kid had all the privledges in the world. Makes you wonder about humans.

[Grace]

I guess I am confused; and I haven't been on an airplane for a few years now. Flight 253 on Christmas, the man had explosives stitched into his underwear. I heard on the news tonight there is almost no way to screen for that. But the second man, was he in the lavatory for a long time only because he became ill? Would they have re-screened passengers arriving from Nigeria who were continuing from Amsterdam to Detroit? What would be the advantage of restricting all passengers to their seats for the final hour of a flight? I don't see it.

Yes, the second man was ill. The restriction is to hopefully prevent another nutcase from trying to blow up a plane as it is getting ready to land. Blow it up over water - no one sees it, and only those on board die. Blow it up over land - it is visible, and there will be fatalities on the ground.

I also heard that this passenger was really given the 3rd degree going through security in Amsterdam. That was said by more than one of the other passengers when they were interviewed in Detroit.