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    History and race.

    Yesterday I saw a segment on the local news about a protest that some Amerinds were lodging against two schools in Claremont, CA.

    There are two elementary schools involved-Condit and Mountain View.

    The reason for the protest?

    The kindergarteners contruct pilgrim hats, indian headbands and vests for an activity that involves visiting the host school-I don't know how that is determined, it may alternate each year- for a program and some kind of party.

    The parents walk with the children and everyone puts on a hat, headband or a vest-Some of the effort put into the 'costumes' was really cool and creative.

    The tradition has gone on for almost 40 years!

    Now people are protesting the event, on woman even wrote a letter to the district saying that it was akin to celebrating slavery and the problems between the Germans and people of Jewish descent during WWII.

    I found a link to a story in a local fish wrapper.
    http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_1107...ce=most_viewed

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    Everytime I see a story like this I laugh and roll my eyes so much I probably have the worlds's strongest optic nerves.

    Now, I don't mind a good protest, demonstration or march for a good TIMELY topic or problem.

    My whole pain in the brain is the fact that people protest things that happened frigging centuries ago!

    Here's the deal-What was the wrong stereotype about the Indians and the Pilgrims and the first Thanksgiving?

    Yeah, there were problems with the Spainards and the locals, the settlers and locals, But didn't the Indians-Where have you gone, Squanto?-save the settlers by showing them how to plant corn-remember the dead fish trick?

    IF anything it's something to celebrate. It's probably one of the few times that people have actually worked together to help each other out.

    I refuse to even take anyone seriously when they pull out some kind of "History done done us wrong!" arguements.

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    One of the common BS ideas that I hear here in Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah is the Mexican arguement about the Southwest being part of Mexico and the work being done and the stupidity taught in high schools, colleges and universities that someday the Mexicans will rise up and take what their g-fathers lost during war or sold to the U.S.

    Morons-I turned a cheek-yes THAT CHEEK- towards all these skeezy ideas and groups that advocate some kind of uprising and 'taking back what is ours(theirs)' attitudes.

    There are other groups that are looking towards some kind of reparation for things-like slavery and human right violations that while have not been forgotten- are still being dredged up by people who really think that people living in the 21st century have to pay for. If there is a payment it should be at the standards set or the value of currency at the time these problems exsisted.

    I am all for people being able to live freely and participate in the wonderful country we have today.....But I sour on the stupidity and the thoughtlessness that these morons who protest small children gathering to celebrate a date in our history where people were actually getting along....

    Chime in, this should be interesting!

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    My problem is I have two native American ansertors and one who was a Puritan who was kidnapped by Indians. I don't know who to be offended for!
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    I really can´t say about native americans stuff... but either way it all happened long time ago...

    what I can say about the southwest US once being part of Mexico... LOL.. no, we are not rising up.. LOL... yes, it was a dumb thing to "sell" that part of what was once part of Mexico.. but what´s done is done... besides we live at peace.. I mean we do depend on each other for certain things.. more us than you.. haha...so it´s not smart to rise up...

    and it looks like not only mexicans but southamericans as well have taken that land already.. LOL :P... whenever I travel to El Paso, TX... I barely barely see/hear a US person.. many of them if not all are mexicans or latins that moved/work there ...
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    I think Native Americans have a legitiment cripe with the way early
    Ameican History has been portrayed in the U.S. History books. Most of
    what is written about Native Americans is biased in favorite of White
    settlers. But, protesting at a children's event is not a good idea & only
    creates bad feelings.
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    Richard how could you put such a sweet pic of Eddie on your avatar and call him the face of evil? I'm sure it's just your imagination!!!
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces View Post
    Richard how could you put such a sweet pic of Eddie on your avatar and call him the face of evil? I'm sure it's just your imagination!!!
    Send my your address.

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    Liz,

    I didn't say that the Amerinds were given a fair shake as far as the history books goes-

    My only point was to say that the first thanksgiving was a great story about people getting together - why should anyone have a problem with with the celebration that has a great teaching point and is a starting point for a tradition?

    I am gonna get down and dirty for a second here, I mean no offense to any side of the arguement.

    A bunch of white folks go camping with little or no preparation. They are looking to get away from some other dude that wants to tell them who god is.

    They end up in a place where they have to struggle to survive and some locals come around and tell them how to get their shiat together. Everyone decides to have a pot luck They gather around the table, grab a bite. They have a good time, everyone watches the football games, passes out on the couch and the next day they think,

    "That was fun, let's do it again next year!"

    So why are a few pilgrims taking the heat for the other morons that followed?

    I think that the 'movement' should come out with a with a little promotion that celebrates the holiday, maybe?

    How's about-

    "If it wasn't for the American Indian, you wouldn't be here today?"
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    "We helped you out once, How's about helping us get the story straight!"

    Instead of being ticked off about the SITTING BULL HIGH SCHOOL WARRIORS or the Washington Redskins, let's soothe the pain! Ban all mention of the Amerinds in American History!

    If the mention of native Americans in history is such a touchy subject, let's remove all mention of the shameful way that they were treated after the Pilgrim Buffet. Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears, reservations and all the John Wayne movies.

    We cannot allow such a shameful part of our history to made known.

    So, we can forget all the help that the Pilgrims were given by the local indiges? Take all the mention of them out of the equation and we can 'write' history the way it should be done.

    With more lies and stupid ideas.

    If the organizers of the protest were intelligent and realized the important contribution their people made at that point in time, they would find a way to exploit the idea and the holiday in a way that would benefit everyone.
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    http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_1....dailynews.com

    I had to laugh at this editorial/commentary.

    Bill Richardson gave his endorsement, after a luke warm run at the presidency, and he expected to get a post or seat in the new government?

    Se puede? Not likely.

    BR may have a star studded resume, but his not getting any kind of "love" from BO doesn't mean jack shiat to me in the long run.

    Ohhhh!

    Us "Latinos" really don't care where BR ends up. In the long run the people who we elect to represent ALL people. toss us aside and go on to the next plateau.


    When it comes down to it, I'd trust BR as far as I could throw myself.

    Not very far.

    If Bill Richardson did deliver the Latino/Hispanic vote for BO, good for him.

    If getting kicked in the huevos for all his work is the thanks he gets, let it be a warning to all the people who run under the banner of Change, Color and "Que se puede Y que vale madre".

    MORONS.
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    LOL... I did understanded that.. hahaha.... sorry but true.. even if I´m not too keen on what happens there.. it does also happen here ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Husky_mom View Post
    LOL... I did understanded that.. hahaha.... sorry but true.. even if I´m not too keen on what happens there.. it does also happen here ...
    Ai, Dios!

    The political scene in Mexico is probably the same as it is here.

    You have 'los politicos' who use the people to move into the seats of power they desire. I guess it's not correct to get a promise in exchange for the support you get for a candidate.

    Sad, but true.

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    NO, it's not the people living in Mexico that are looking for the U.S. to give back the territories. It's the generations of Hispanics who were born here and have no concept of the history between Mexico and the U.S.

    They are brainwashed by the different high school/college groups on campus that promote a dislike for the government and the laws that we need to keep
    it going.

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    I am sitting here watching the Florida Gators playing the Florida St. Seminoles.

    Now, here is another quandry!

    All the small high schools and community colleges were under pressure to change their school mascots names/images because they were offensive to the Amerinds images.

    Yet, you still have this HUGE UNIVERSITY that has kept the name SEMINOLES, have little tomahawks and spears on the helmets. They got rid of the Indian who used to ride out on the field and plant the spear in the ground at midfield.

    The student body still do the "tomahawk chop" while the band plays that stupid ditty that every kid heard growing up while watching a Western/cowboy movie.

    What's up with that?

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    BO was in Hawaii when the lights went out and the media called it a black out.


    I laughed that the media got that one by the 'politically correct' police.

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    Poor Bill RIchardson......
    I can hardly wait for the Mexican contingent ot the population rising up on his side.....lol, won't happen, Most Hispanic politicos are low life morons.

    Mayor of El Lay anyone? THe Sanchez Sisters of California?
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    I was thinking about how the government would react to the indigenous Amerinds if they took up a policy like the Palis in the Middle East?

    Anyone willing to venture a guess?


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    Anyone hear about Cris Carter who said that he would 'shoot' Terrel Owens, the Dallas Cowboy football player?

    CC apparently thinks that TO is a cancer to the game and his team. The story did not get wide spread attention because both happen to be black.

    I wondered where Sharptongue and Jesse Jerkoff would say something about black on black crime or threats or even gun control.......I guess you can threaten someone with bodily harm and not get the attention you would if you threatened say, a golfer?

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    Um, no, but I still think that a bunch of college kids in San Diego calling themselves AZTECS is kinda cool......Really!

    LOL,
    YOu must mean the NOTRE DAME team!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    I was thinking about how the government would react to the indigenous Amerinds if they took up a policy like the Palis in the Middle East?

    Anyone willing to venture a guess?
    If the British gave them Polio infested blankets wouldnt the Gov infect their casinos with the black plague?
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