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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Some parents may go out and buy a gun to try and save their remaining children from a wacko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randi
I love the Lord, but don't want to meet him anytime soon.
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Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Some parents may go out and buy a gun to try and save their remaining children from a wacko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randi
I love the Lord, but don't want to meet him anytime soon.
I do like guns - not love them.
I like to look at photos of them and if I get to see one in person? Good, Shoot one? Better.
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I don't hunt, but I love to target shoot. I find that the precision and challenge of TS to be a way to forget what bugs me.
When I cannot shoot live ammo? I have an Air Soft gun, a .22 cal pellet gun and a Nerf gun that use around the house.
I used to be able to use the suction tipped Nerf darts on my old TV, not so much on the big screen.
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I don't 'pack/carry' and I don't fear anyone who does. To me a gun, any gun is a precision tool.
To me? It's not for shooting people or animals.
And while shooting a gun, and hitting what you aim at, isn't the necessary skill needed these days?
It's good to know that I can do it, with reasonable results, and I don't fear the idea, mechanics or the presence of a firearm.
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Oh, BTW?
If you ever have been around a person with a GSW? You do have a heightened appreciation for gun safety and the rules for using and storing guns...
Totally out of this context, I was told by a friend years ago that if I (for example) was to carry any type of weapon to protect myself I had better be sure I knew how to use it.
RICHARD:I can totally understand people wanting to get a gun to protect their family - but training in its use and SAFE STORAGE of same need to be part of the equation.Quote:
And while shooting a gun, and hitting what you aim at, isn't the necessary skill needed these days?
This is true to a certain extent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Randi
Personally, I am as close to the middle as you can possibly get and I am not religious in the least.
You certainly topped me for ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alysser
I do not fear the object. I fear the people who feel the need for the object. And that is the BIGGER picture.
However, we do both agree. It is the person behind the gun.
And in the joyous season???? A shooting at a mall very neat to me last night.
From a CNN report.
The gun control debate
The deadly shooting that shattered this quiet New England town also reignited the ongoing debate about gun laws in America.
Adam Lanza was found dead next to three guns -- a semiautomatic .223-caliber rifle made by Bushmaster and two handguns made by Glock and Sig Sauer, a law enforcement source told CNN. All belonged to his mother.
Carver, who performed autopsies on seven of the victims, said the wounds he knew about were caused by a "long weapon" and that the rifle was the primary weapon used.
Nancy Lanza was a gun collector and recently showed off a newly bought rifle to fellow Newtown resident Dan Holmes, who owns a landscaping business in the town.
Besides the three weapons found at the school, the shooter also had access to at least three more guns, a law enforcement source said.
The following is JMHO - for what it's worth.....:rolleyes:
Every time there is another horrific tragedy involving guns, this thread rears it's ugly head and the debate/discussion/argument starts all over again. And what does it accomplish???? - nothing as far as I can tell. There are pros and cons to both sides of the gun ownership issue, and nobody is right or wrong. Everybody has an opinion in the matter and I don't believe that they should be chastised for stating it. Perhaps the energy wasted here would be better spent making your views known to your state representatives, so that perhaps they can take it to the national level. I personally do believe that this latest massacre in CT has given a lot of officials who seemed indifferent to the issues, a big wake-up call, simply because it took so many very young and innocent lives. The loss of any life in a scenario such as this is senseless and cruel - but for little children only 6 and 7 years old it is beyond senseless and cruel. It was barbaric and unthinkable - yet it happened.
It's time to think of and do something constructive, rather than continuing to be destructive and critical of others who don't necessarily agree with you.
And like I said: JMHO
There is no reason for this discussion to turn into personal attacks on each other. Everyone has their own thoughts & opinions.
It also is not the place to put someone down because they may not know the correct name for a particular weapon. We are not
all military ordinance experts, so lets not quibble over technical terms of a weapon. It's hurtful & doesn't led to any good end.
The more I hear and read about this terrible event, the more I believe this is more than a gun issue, it is also a mental health issue.
The shooter was obviously mentally suspect & should probably should have been in treatment somewhere.
I live in an upper middle class midwestern town. We probably have as much scandal as anywhere else, but like LH said, we make it look pretty good in photos. And we have the means and resources to hide it pretty well.
Connecticut has some of the most stringent gun legislation in the nation and yet a bunch of guns were found and used by a young man who should never have had access to them. Why did the mother not get rid of her entire collection when she knew that something wasn't right with her teenage son?
I know for a fact that there is less crime here than in other places. We had our own unspeakable tragedy almost 14 months ago when a 9th grader was stabbed to death, in her home, by an intruder because she interrupted a robbery. Put the name Kelli O'Laughlin into any search engine and there you will find the story.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's where we are right now with better gun rights. These shootings happen over and over. We mourn, we grieve, we lower flags to half staff, and we say that something has to change. I'm with Pomtzu - the time has come to do something constructive.
"Give us grace so we'll be safe." -- The Prayer, Yolanda Adams
No, logical extension of your statements, combined with the absolutely juvenile and hyperbolic tone of your earlier posts. If you are comfortable with the tools of the trade, why then are you scared to keep them in your house? No difference between your bedroom and a barracks room in reality.
Pom, I agree with your suggestion that people write their legislature, and have not commented on this thread in some time. However, we have a few posters here who evidently feel the need to constantly post here every time someone stubs their toe with a firearm, and the constant derision of their posts gets increasingly old.
The comments about how terrible and evil"assault weapons" and "automatic weapons" are straight out of the media's agitprop playbook, and have been corrected in here repeatedly. If people read and comprehended the comments that have been made multiple times rather than making knee jerk responses to posts, then the correct nomenclature would easily be seen. In addition, the comment that "that's some serious hardware" was made by someone who claims to be military, in which case they should bloody well know that that "serious hardware" isn't that "serious" at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
There are a lot of pointless, hurtful comment in the thread, and most of them are coming from the people who constantly bump this thread for whatever reason to show how turrible them big bad guns iz.
Blame the media! Apparently some people think we all are too stupid to have a thought that is not put in our heads (empty as they are!) by the evil media!
I post in the thread often. I am not ashamed of that. I also make my opinion known to my government representatives.
Somehow I think shooting your son to death, a three year old shooting his father to death - little bit more than a toe stub. Now the guy who shot himself in the winky...
I'm thinkingmight be defined as thisQuote:
absolutely juvenile and hyperbolic tone
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turrible them big bad guns iz
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Speaking of hyperbole, now calling something straight out of an agitprop playbook is blaming the media? I'm not stating that no one can have these thoughts on their own, however, it's........amusing..........to say the least how well interlocked the statements about certain topics are.
If you're admitting you're head is empty, I'm not going to argue.
I heard one puppethead on MSNBC state that something had to be done about 'large capacity ammo'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I laughed.
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And in the spirit of the season?
"You'll put your eye out with that thing....."
Calm down?Quote:
Originally Posted by catlady1945
A typo is a sign of agitation? Damn, the interwebz (facebook in particular) must be full of very irate individuals, and one of my former commanding officers must have been a raving lunatic! LOL
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
First you have to find out who is taking cash from the gun lobbyists.
NOTHING will ever be done about the current gun laws, all the politicians pay lip service to us to make us believe they are concerned.
Dianne Feinstein is one of the effing puppetheads that is anti gun, while all the while traveling with armed security guards and packs heat herself.
She's an opportunist, a snake oil-salesman and a true knee jerk politician, check out her grandstanding re Conneticut
Since I can't find a thread dedicated to the tragedy here I figure I'll share it here
I just thought this was beautiful and touching. Warning: Religious content. I thought it was a lovely way to picture these babies instead of the horrifying last moments of their lives
I also think this blog gets to the root of the issue of violence in this country. Sorry if it's been posted alreadyQuote:
Twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38 when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate. Their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air. They could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there. They were filled with such joy; they didn't know what to say. They remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day. “where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse. “This is heaven" declared a small boy. "We’re spending Christmas at God's house”. When what to their wondering eyes did appear, but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near. He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same. Then He opened His arms and He called them by name. And in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring those children all flew into the arms of their King and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace, one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face. And as if He could read all the questions she had He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad. “then He looked down on earth, the world far below He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe, then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand, “Let My power and presence re-enter this land! “May this country be delivered from the hands of fools” “I’m taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools! “Then He and the children stood up without a sound. “Come now my children let me show you around. “Excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran. All displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can. And I heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight, “in the midst of this darkness,” I AM STILL THE LIGHT."
http://anarchistsoccermom.blogspot.c...thinkable.html
Treat the illness instead of a side effect.
One last thing, how can we sit and talk about loving our neighbors when we are all exchanging such vitriol and disdain towards each other :( We should be embracing each other instead of arguing. I know this post may be met with opposition but I just don't have it in me at this time to fight.
Thanks.......Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Again, I commented on what the news reports stated and again, in their haste to beat the competition, they leave out a few salient details and lead me down the wrong road?;)
Thank you Tanya - not only for posting that interpretation of the beginning of a new life for those children and the message that it sent - but for choosing to not be confrontational.
The continuation of this thread by certain individuals is all about vitriol, condescension and self righteousness.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
I have asked in the past that certain parties refrain from using tragedies to push a political agenda, and have been told in no uncertain terms to go to hell.
I thought I was going to have to end up spending enternity by myself.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Corrected by who? You?? How do you know where they get their ideas? Why do you feel responsible to correct others ideas and opinions. Why not just express your opinion
and let everyone else express theirs?????
Corrected by several. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Calling an apple an orange doesn't make it one.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
I challenge people's opinions, as do many here. Pardon me for not giving you the echo chamber you so desperately desire.
One of the amusing conundrums posed by modern tech is going to rear its ugly head shortly and directly relates to gun control......
What are the chicken littles in the tech world going to do when they realize that you can buy (coming shortly to a Staples near you) an HP 3d printer, load up an autocad 3d file, and print yourself the frame for a glock?
Are you going to ban 3d printers?
They got this guy in time...
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/indiana-...reat-1.1081439
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
The only desperate desire I have is to watch American Funniest Home Videos. :D:D It's Christmas themed.
Less than an hour ago I was reading the stories of the children murdered in this incident and crying with each one. As a retired elementary teacher, every new face of one of these victims left me more wrung out, thinking of all the hundreds of children I knew through my 32 years in the classroom. Then I make the mistake of opening up this thread and reading it. I don't have the stomach for the tone of this discussion. I'm sorry I stuck my head in to check it out; I won't be looking at this thread again.
Opps! You missed a word!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I too have asked repeatedly that people not use tragedies to push political agendas....but you just keep doing it.Quote:
the media's agitprop playbook
You have trolled the internet for most of the time this discussion has been allowed, posting incident after incident to stir the pot and fuel your ego and your crusade. There have been many tragic accidents and intentional incidents involving motor vehicles, but they don't involve your personal bugbear, so you don't post about those. Instead you consistently use tragedies and use the deaths of others to stroke your own ego.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
You haven't asked anything of the sort, and get madder than a wet hen when the discussion turns against you, as shown by your constant derisive comments and slams directed at those who disagree with you.
By the by, leeches are very much a part of modern medicine, so nice try, but no cigar.
Such nasty comments. I will not visit this place for a long time. Shame on you all.
Thank you, Richard!
Regarding the idea of 'using tragedies to push political agendas': I understand that the Republican/Democrat divide can run very deep on this forum. I would hope that those on either side of the political spectrum would not dust off their own stance on gun laws and then apply it to this tragedy, but rather acknowledge the tragedy, and all that it entails, and apply THAT to their stance on gun laws. What's the point of politics if it's unadaptable? What drives politics if not turmoil and outcry?
If parties and their supporters were to put age-old sentiment above what's happening here-and-now, then there'd be no point to any of them. I'd like to see opposing parties (in the UK too) work together a little more in times like this and set out clear goals for tackling crime, instead of using every tragedy to bicker about everything hypothetical and trivial, and thus achieve nothing.
I can only begin to imagine what this father must feel like. But this man is my new hero. A story I am certain will not make the "usual" media outlets. (Nothing editorial here, links to the actual statements.)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/grie...illers-family/
The light will always push away the dark.
I saw this interview live on Saturday, and I had a difficult time holding back the tears. What a strong, amazing, compassionate and forgiving man. He's an inspiration to all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
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Originally Posted by Miss Z
The real issue here is that gun laws wouldn't have prevented this, but better mental health care might have. It's almost impossible for a parent to legally commit a child, which is purely wrong.
Just turned on Katie. Two very loving forgiving parents were just interviewed. The father said the young man who did the shooting had it rougher then him. What a brave father he is & so forgiving. He has made the world a better place already. God Bless Him & All The People Affected By This TragedyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
LH - have a look at the "I Am Adam Lanza's Mother" posted in this forum. It addresses the mental health aspect and the Dems are saying they have to look at that in addition to any weapons controls.
Don't need to, I have a coworker who has a stepchild with severe bipolar. Took the child to the ER after the child physically assaulted both parents, had the police meet them there to restrain the child, and the ER doc refused to commit the child because 20 minutes after the attacks the kid was "just fine, there's no reason to commit the darling"
So.......I can buy any gun I want now and if I should have some kind of mental problem later on....
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i used to work with a reserve police officer for a small PD.
One day I walked around the corner and saw her with a bottle of nail polish, painting 'smilie faces' on the hollow point bullets. She packed a small .32 cal pistol as an off-duty piece and had unloaded the mag to do her thing.
I looked and did whatever I had to do, when I walked back she stopped me for my advice.
I kinda laughed then went to the bosses office to let her know.