Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?
It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.
But thanks for the update. ;)
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Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?
It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.
But thanks for the update. ;)
Whoever said I was Catholic? :pQuote:
Originally posted by Pam
Then BCBlondie I would have to leave the church. How can you continue to consider yourself Catholic with the feelings you have. Perhaps you should look for another religion but I think you will have a hard time finding one that supports murdering babies. I think many people today are walking around making up their own religions - ones which support their own views. (i.e., the gospel according to Soledad).
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.
Okay, so I'm guessing you're against abortions.
What about women's rights?
There's a lot of sexism in the Catholic Church.
(My Catholic friends are born and raised in a Catholic family, Baptized, etc, but they don't agree with some of the Catholic Church's opinions on some things, such as women's rights (ex: women being priests). That's all I was trying to say.)
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you or anything. If you feel that way, I'm really sorry. I'm just trying to show you my point of view and the point of view of other Christians. I know a LOT of people that are Catholic or Muslim or whatever, and there are some parts of their religion that they don't necessarily believe or feel is right.
Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.
That's one good thing about the country I'm from - Latvia actually has a WOMAN president at the moment. :D
It's like I said before, there's no way that polls are even close to being accurate.Quote:
Originally posted by lizzielou742
Has Zogby started counting the opinions of first time voters, or are they still ignored?
It's way too close to call right now. Every five minutes another poll or website is coming up with something different.
But thanks for the update. ;)
I just posted that because someone else posted polls right after the 3rd debate.
We won't know until Nov. 2 . . . plain and simple. It's just too close to call.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. It wasn't clear to me that you were an atheist. What I meant by my comment was that in my humble opinion if someone no longer believes in the doctrine of the religion they were raised in it's time to move on. I will never understand people carrying a "label" to their grave when they never believed in the religion in reality. Good for you. At least you have taken your own stand. Everyone must at some point in their life form their own beliefs.Quote:
Originally posted by BCBlondie
Whoever said I was Catholic? :p
I'm an Atheist. I've said that before... all I said was I went to a Catholic school.. doesn't mean I'm Catholic. I also have other Atheist, some Buddhist, and a Muslim friend that went to my Catholic school.
Women are allowed to be President here, it just hasn't happened....yet. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by BCBlondie
Then again, I guess the American government is a bit sexist too. Women aren't allowed to be president either.
Pam it is possible to be of a certain religion and not believe 100% of their teaching, for example I know lots of people that are Catholic but don't believe in every little thing they teach. Many women don't agree with their view on birth control. If a woman wants to use it then she should. What if a woman is married but isn't ready for children. She should abstain even though she is married because she wants to wait before having children? So just because you don't agree with a few small things doesn't mean you need to toss out the entire religion.Quote:
I will never understand people carrying a "label" to their grave when they never believed in the religion in reality.
I suppose for some it may be. It wouldn't work for me. I have to embrace my faith/religion entirely or not at all. I don't want to be misunderstood here. It's not my intention. My dad was born a Catholic but somewhere in his 20's he abandoned his church because he, like many, didn't agree with a lot of the doctrine. He then met my mom, who is Protestant, and over time came to embrace her religious faith. In my dating years I dated boys of the Catholic faith and Jewish faith and which prompted me to study what they believed and then had to sort it all out for myself. That's basically what I mean when I say we all have to choose for ourselves. I know there are many people who wear their religion as a label but in reality it doesn't mean much for them. Hope you understand what I am saying. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Uabassoon
Pam it is possible to be of a certain religion and not believe 100% of their teaching, for example I know lots of people that are Catholic but don't believe in every little thing they teach.
Pam, I pretty much understand what you are saying. That is the reason why I left the Catholic religion and chose not to get confirmed during my early teens, despite my family wishes. However I do feel that sometimes there are one or two small things that you might not agree with, but you have to look at the big picture. I didn't like the big picture, so I left.
I understand what you're saying, Pam:)
Although I do belong to an organized religion, love my church, hold true to it's doctrines and have great faith in God, ultimately, for me, it is not the credo of an organized group that defines my belief in God or directs my behavior. It IS my guidepost and beckon, but in the end, it is my heart, my conscience that guides me.
Institutions, like indiviudals are falible. The "church" that teaches us to love thy neighbor is also that church that at one time, foisted upon the world the Inquistion and the Crusades and the Salem Witch Trials, all in the name of God and his word and will. God was not at fault, humans were.
Growing up, my Catholic friends were told that if they ate meat on Fridays, they were damned to eternal Hell. After reconsideration by the Vatican, that edict was reveresed. Divorce was once prohibited by the church and to do so, meant excommunication; no longer. Today, all of the above examples have been either reconsidered and reversed, as with meatless Fridays and divorce, or deemed by the church as horrific misapplications, misrepresentations of their religions. Sadly, throughout the ages, autrocities have been perpetrated upon the world, justified in the name of religion and God. It does not necessarily reflect of the efficacy of organized religion, only that as humans, we are not perfect.
I was reading an article the other day regarding the history of religion in politics. One revelation in particular struck me. In essence it stated this. Over 40 years ago, when JFK, the first Catholic to run for Pres., decided to do so, he was compelled to provide a leary and fearful electorate with the reassurance that we would indeed run for the presidency, but only with the proviso that he would keep his religion OUT of the White House! It was feared that the White House would be under the direct control of the Vatican. Today, we cheer, support and defend a president for doing just the opposite; for speaking openly about his religious convictions and assuring us all that unlike JFK, his beliefs do guide his decisions and will affect his policy. A lot has changed over the past 50 years.
Except Bush has not kept religion out of his political (esp. re: Saddam) decisions. if the urls i posted don't say enough, just do your own google search. there is plenty of reading material there and Bush himself acknowledges that he "wears his religion on his sleeve".
Yeah, he wears his religion on his sleeve and doesn't attend church.
It is good that Bush has his religion with him, and it is what we were all originally founded from.
Excuse me?? Explain please.Quote:
Originally posted by Mkitty
it is what we were all originally founded from.
Lizzie, my husband is not a member of my church and does not attend frequently either but that makes him no less of a Christian than I.Quote:
Originally posted by lizzielou742
Yeah, he wears his religion on his sleeve and doesn't attend church.
I have a question about this from your article:
A recent Kerry campaign pool report included this observation: "Both Mr. and Mrs. received communion, taking the host from the priests in their hands (others took direct to mouth). They spent ample time on the kneeler."
I was under the impression that Mrs. Kerry is not a Catholic. Is this true? If so, how is she able to take communion in a Catholic church? Recently I attended two Catholic weddings and the priests admonished the attenders: "communion is only for Catholics in good standing." I did not take communion at these weddings because I am not a Catholic in good standing and not even a Catholic at all. Do you know what Mrs. Kerry's story is? Just curious.
By the way, there is no such instruction before communion in my church. It is open to anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.
All of the above aside, I will be so happy when all of this is over. The incessant fighting and reporting is getting to be too much really, and I mean on both sides. *sigh*
Nevermind. I just did a little search on Google and here is what I found out:
“After a brief courtship, a short period of cohabitation, and the signing of a prenuptial agreement, the Kerrys were married in a civil ceremony on Nantucket in 1995.”
There is a world of meaning here for Catholics, and for anyone who takes Kerry’s professions of faith seriously. He and his wife, both baptized Catholics, are living together in defiance of Catholic teaching. In the eyes of the Church, their marriage is invalid: Catholics may not marry outside the Church. The issue of abortion aside, the Kerrys are both ineligible to receive Communion.
I'm not trying to create a fuss here. I just don't understand why they are calling themselves Catholics since they don't seem to consider the teachings of their church important and their taking of communion is apparently not permitted.
Pam,
That is an interesting question. I had heard reports on Kerry's faith, but never on his wife's. Personally, I don't know much about Catholicism and taking communion rules, so I can't respond to your questions on that.
I also agree, I will be glad when Nov. 2nd is over with!!! :)
I can't wait until it's over! I'm sick of the local political ads, as well. I hate election year!
I agree Dukedogsmom. After this is all over, we can kiss and make up! LOL! :p (no matter who wins, and I really mean that. I am sick of it!)
Some of you may not believe this, but we were all originally founded by judeo-christianity. That's all I have to explain. I'm not trying to get on people's nerves though.
I wasn't "founded by" anything. I evolved from apes.Quote:
Originally posted by Mkitty
Some of you may not believe this, but we were all originally founded by judeo-christianity. That's all I have to explain. I'm not trying to get on people's nerves though.
Hee hee :)
Seriously though - not everyone believes what you believe. I'm not trying to be rude. I guess I'm just a bit taken about by your posts on this subject.
I know not everyone believes what i wrote and believe. I'm not trying to be rude either, and I hope you and me can be friends instead of fighting about this. Truce?
Truce! I'm not for fighting either.
Cool, because we all have our different beliefs and I respect that. Do you wanna be buddies maybe? It would be interesting to learn about eachother's beliefs and views. I'm glad we have a truce!
MKitty, it is true that our founding Fathers founded our nation based on their Judeo Christian beliefs, but, also took into consideration that not everyone believed the same way so, decided that the government and religion should be kept separate.
Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore. I got this lecture from my friend who is an anthropologist, so I thought I would pass it along! ;) :D
I am looking forward to election day, but, am also growing very weary of the fighting and name calling, and everything else negative that invariably happens in election years.
Yes that's what I have been trying to say. That all of us have different beliefs and views.
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Originally posted by mugsy
Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore.
Correct.
Just look at the stands during an Oakland Raiders game...
:eek:
LOL!!! Richard, I don't know anything about the Oakland Raiders fans, but you made me laugh!!!!! :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Logan
LOL!!! Richard, I don't know anything about the Oakland Raiders fans, but you made me laugh!!!!! :D :D :D
http://www.raiderfans.net/blackhole/...y/scan0070.jpg
http://www.raiderfans.net/blackhole/...y/scan0075.jpg
It's a sports thing.
;)
LOL!!! I live really close to the Oakland Stadium, so I see a lot of those Raider fans going to games! :p
Sting would rather see chimp in White HouseQuote:
Originally posted by mugsy
Lizzie, we are on the same evolutionary line as apes, not evolved from apes because if we evolved from them then apes wouldn't exist anymore. I got this lecture from my friend who is an anthropologist, so I thought I would pass it along! ;) :D
Sting says he would rather see "a chimp" in the White House than George W Bush.
Speaking to the German Welt am Sonntag newspaper, the former Police front man said he would "rather vote for a chimpanzee than Bush" if he had the chance to vote on November 2.
Sting said a politician should be able to think and express himself, and he added he saw "no sign" that Mr Bush was capable of either.
He described challenger John Kerry as honest and upright, but said the Democratic candidate lacks humour.
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Mr. Bonzo goes to Washington?
Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Stewart fans will get the joke!!
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A sense of humor, honesty and uprightedness makes a good candidate??
That counts ME out!!!!:o
Well this has nothing to do with the immediate theme at hand, but I just thought I would say something in regard to my posts in the Dog House of late. My daughter was reading some of the threads and said she felt some of my posts were less than nice and not typical of the person that I really am on the inside. :o I guess sometimes my buttons just get pushed and I respond and maybe get carried away. I don't mean to offend anyone and I think that the vast majority of my posts have been responses to threads rather than initiating something controversial myself. For this reason, I am not going to read the Dog House posts any more. It's better for me to stay with pets. :) If I have offended anyone I am sorry. But......I still hope Bush wins! LOL!
I know how you feel.Quote:
Originally posted by Pam
I guess sometimes my buttons just get pushed and I respond and maybe get carried away.
'Blend' and 'Frappe' get me going.
:confused:
Pam, those of us who know you well, know that anything you say is out of loyalty and concern for having the truth be told. I would hate to not have you participate any more. :(
Richard, you are just too funny!!! :D :D
Pam, I hate to hear that you'll no longer be in the DogHouse. :(
I've thought about it myself before . . . I'm sure plenty of people on here find me snotty . . . I've been called arrogant & rude countless times . . . but those that accuse me should look in the mirror. That's why it doesn't bother me so much.
I appreciate the times you backed me up.
See ya in PT.
I got my membership card to your fan club today...Quote:
Originally posted by christa
. I'm sure plenty of people on here find me snotty . . . I've been called arrogant & rude countless times . . . but those that accuse me should look in the mirror. That's why it doesn't bother me so much.
Does that make me arrogant and rude too?:eek:
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I got my flu shot on Monday, so snotty is out!