GOSH, Joh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
WHO knew?
You're not out of FoodStamps, again, are you? ... I might have a couple extras.
Want 'em?
;)
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GOSH, Joh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
WHO knew?
You're not out of FoodStamps, again, are you? ... I might have a couple extras.
Want 'em?
;)
Marigold since Cataholic has too much self esteem to boast, I will for her...Cataholic is an attorney, hardly at the poverty level:rolleyes:
As I said earlier I am posting stats and I asked others to post as well. I wanted an open discussion. Why isn't anyone posting facts? It's the truth we are after.
Well you see that addes to the confusion. Why is she so upset about the stats I posted? They had nothing to do with her, they were never aimed at anyone here, they were posted from stats from leading news agencies. Why she got so upset is confusing. I was trying to have an open conversion without people name calling or taking offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Your broad generalizations are insulting to people even if we are not in that particular situation that you are stereotyping, its called empathy...try it sometime it keeps you human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
My post did not include those millions that had lost their jobs. It had to do with those that abuse the system. Those that take monies from deserving vets, the elderly or those that are truly ill and need money to live a decent and honorable life. We give money to teenage moms to care for their chidren instead of trying to convince them to give those children up for adoption. We need to educate young girls on the joys of life and education. Having babies is a wonderful thing but doesn't always remain so. Teenage girls should be thinking about school, purses, travel, what color nail polish to use and their future in this world. Not being a mom, they are children themselves and we the mom's and dad's should be helping them along. I love my grandkids but don't want to raise them. I raised mine and loved it but now it's me time. My friends have children who have children and they spend every free minute and dime helping them when they are barely making it themselves. Their grandchildren are beautiful and precious and they love them oh so much but they worry about themselves. Their parents are getting older, they are stuck in the middle between parents, children and grandchildren. They should never be in this postion. Even with their great love for their grandchildren I understand their concerns. They will have no retirement, no savings. No one to help them. They will spend years taking care of their mom and dad and their children and grandchidlren. Their children instead of taking steps to protect themselves against pregency have made generations take a new look at themselves and how they will servive. And this is in the best of families, in others the young girls are tossed out or not helped because the parents don't care or can't help. It's tragic all the way around.
I am home today not feeling well. I usually don't spend much time on PT not because I don't enjoy it but it's just that I am busy with family, friends and fun.
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
1/3 of births are out of wedlock...........
In no way, shape or form does that mean 1/3 of babies are born to mothers on welfare.
Yes I did say that was incorrect unless I find other info.
As I've mentioned to other posters on here, Marigold, when you find yourself in a hole, the first step you need to take is put down the shovel.
My broad generalizations are pulled from the leading news agencies. Do you take offense when reading a Time Magazine a newspaper? There are stats for every economic class, every religon, every ethic group, male, female, gay, straight, old, young, rich, poor and thousands of others. It's a gathering of info that is meant to be shared, studied and hopefully understand that we as a people can gain knowledge and improve. Every soul on this earth belongs to these stats and every one can be offened if they so choose by some of the findings. But why? It is what it is.
Should I take offense at findings that put Germans at fault for something or another. No. What about my religon? If people say something negitive I don't take it personally, they could very well be right. It's not perfect, nothing is.
Its funny how many times you mention your German ancestry on here, I have been a member for years and years and never felt the need to mention my German roots, who cares?
Statistics can easily be twisted to fit the outcome that the person conducting the is trying to prove. Without the raw data to be able to crosscheck, they're fairly useless.
Time Magazine is hardly a "leading news source". It is a highly editorialized news magazine in which the articles are more editorial than information. They start out with a premise and then gather the data to fit their facts.
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Originally Posted by Marigold2
Perhaps you need to say what you mean, but I have no doubt that you meant exactly what you said in the beginning posts. Saying now that you weren't referring to people who have lost their jobs is just your way of trying to back out - but I believe that was already mentioned here too. You were quite adamant about what you said about being physically or mentally unable. See post #12 where you said "what other option is there". But this comes from a person who also thinks that the government is doing a great job with Medicare too. :rolleyes:
Oh my!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
Eugenics anyone?Quote:
The other big demographic nightmare is Hispanics whose illegitimacy rates, dropout rates, crime rates, etc. could overtake blacks in a few years. Their population (legal and illegal) is exploding in this region as well as they are used by cheap-labor employers to displace poor whites and blacks from their jobs and further depress wages. It would make more sense to deport as many illegal aliens (mainly Hispanic) as possible and secure our borders, while allowing much higher immigration levels from East Asia and Europe. But then Asians are too successful and don't form the permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass so desired by big business and liberals.
Although I have to say this is the first time in my life I have seen anyone suggest that "big business" and "liberals" have a common goal!
She got it, LH ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
If you'll notice, she's got the BACKHOE fired up and dirt's a-flyin!
:D
Can I just rant for a minute?
My primary care physician is affiliated with a big tertiary hospital system. I had to change doctors when my former primary care physician's practice (and all the physicians affiliated with the four hospitals in that system) dropped out of the UnitedHealthcare network. I chose based upon geography.
One specialist is with a different hospital system - again, based on geography and the network.
The other specialist is with yet another hospital system - when I started with him he was in the provider network, but they are dropping out effective 11/1/09.
And I get prescriptions at Walgreens, which is affiliated with none of them, of course.
None of these talk to each other. It is up to me to remember to tell each one what the other one said, and try to keep everything straight. Walgreens is actually a huge help in getting this done. This is a gol-durn pain! Health care reformers --- puhleeze make this easier for me!
So now paying into UI is Pork? Please explain the stretch of logic that being forced to pay into something and then getting something back is laundering money, Ild love to see that spin.
White post here.
Forgive me if I've quoted this from a body of research. I believe this to be a statement made by you, Marigold, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
If this is from you, I think this is a very broad statement. This tells me that women without a man need to get help from outside sources because they can't make it on their own? :confused:
They don't TRY to talk to each other;Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
nor do they bother to read the NOTE, Letters, and Reports that get passed around.
I have a Cardiologist, a De-Fib Doc (my electrician), and a Kidney Doc.
All in different offices; all practice in the same Hospitals;
and theyall KNOW each other ... heck, they used to do Rounds together
when I was hospitalized.
What one does effects the Other Docs' parts of me ... they NEED to know
what each other is 'doing to me'.
When I see one of 'em, he/she writes a report on the office visit and SENDS
it to the other two. Sounds great --- everybody reads the same page.
And what happens to said report?? A Bean Counter opens it, reads it and
makes the decision (based on who knows what) to either FILE it in my
history file OR send it to the Doc for his/her personal review.
Can't tell you how many times I've visited Doc #1 and asked if he's seen
anything from Docs #2 or #3. The answer is almost ALWAYS that
"NO, haven't seen anything 'lately'."
THEN we peek into my file ... and #1 stumbles upon the Report his office
got and FILED AWAY a month or two ago from #2 or #3. :mad:
What's wrong with this picture?
:mad:
:rolleyes:
You guys are making the case for getting technology into medical records! Less mistakes, greater ability and ease to share information.
By the way...I do love easy quizzes. I have been asked above UI...Unemployment Insurance.
Unemployment Insurance is a tax employers pay based on their experience rating. As in medical insurance, the more claims made against an employer (people who worked for the employer during the base period and then make a claim for unemployment for reason beyond the employee's ability to control) the higher the rate of tax paid by the employer.
Employees do not pay into Unemployment Insurance. Employers do.
And, in periods of high unemployment, as we are currently, the federal government supplements the funds that are paid out to the unemployed.
And that ain't no spin...:D:D:D
BS! Spin.
Amen!!!! Elyse, you're so right. This is what bothers me every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
We try to keep them straight and most of mine act like they really don't care what I'm trying to do. Nothing except paying the bills of course.:(
This is how I see Marigold's post. Some people find much comfort in tradition, the old way, etc. So, when someone else does something that is in opposition to that, it is threatening to that person's belief system. That person, with the threatened belief system *must* come out swinging in order to 'stay on top'. AND, that is totally okay, as we must all do what feels right or best for us. But, it shouldn't be that in order for one to feel better about ones' self, that one needs to make others feel bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah
Now, for the record, I do not 'believe' in marriage, per se. I mean, if you find that one special person, that is a wonderful, fantastic thing. And, I support you in your legally binding contract of marriage. But, that doesn't mean it is for me. Marriage is a state issue first and foremost- though many also have it religiously blessed.
I feel no 'need' to be married. I believe in other countries, "marriage" is less prevelant than here- but, I have not any research to link. :)
Many, many women find themselves in marriages that frankly- should anything happen to the male, will be in deep doo doo should the marriage fail. That would keep me up at night, fraught with worry. I think ALL people should be able to stand on their own two feed and provide for those they either bring into the world- or aquire along the way.
The larger issue I have with Marigold's 'research' (and I am not speaking solely of this thread, as she has made these comments at other times) is the large brush, and largely anti- human comments she makes about those she sees underneath her, status wise.
Insurance (LOL, I am pulling it back into topic) should be available to all. Even that poor guy that called her, asking about CareSource. I can imagine his frustration.
Marigold,
Up to this point in time I have stayed out of the fuss at you. I thought - "she's just somebody who says whatever comes into her head without thinking of the consequences."
But then you posted quotes from "news sources" inlcluding this...It struck me as curious. Big business and liberals? Liberals wanting a permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass?Quote:
But then Asians are too successful and don't form the permanent cheap-labor and welfare underclass so desired by big business and liberals.
So I did some research. I found where it came from. The blog of one really odd guy. Hard to figure exactly where he is coming from but one thing is overwhelmingly clear. He is a good old-fashioned racist. Not the "modern" kind of racist who sighs and says "one of my best friends is black" - but the real down home kind. (He likes Jews, dislikes fundamental Christians, hates government medical programs even though that is the only way his wife can get medical care, hates liberals, hates enviornmentalist, hates creationist - are you seeing a pattern here??) What you posted was his conclusions. I wish I knew how to wash my computer after having his words on it.
I am hoping you did a search and found that quote - pasting it in haste. I am hoping you did not look at the source.
If I am correct, I would encourage you to be more careful in quoting "news sources." Just because it is on the web doesn't not make it a "news source" nor credible.
If you did know from whom you were quoting - well I don't even want to go there - just too disgusting.
In the past, I've seen broad statements made by Marigold. Thanks for explaining this so well, Cataholic. To tell you the truth, this is exactly what I was thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataholic
This statement is really hard to believe. Marigold, where are you getting these ideas of your's? I raised my children alone and they turned out remarkably well totally without welfare. Welfare never crossed my mind. I would gladly let you speak to both of them and perhaps they could shed some light on your twisted view of the subject. To me, you imply that a woman needs a man to survive. I am guessing what's next is that you think all the children of single parents are ignorant and uneducated. Does that sound unrealistic? So does your statement I quoted.
Some of the statements you make are utterly ridiculous. This is one of them. As you would like us to believe, I suppose, you have been fortunate to live a perfect life with the perfect family unit in a place that has been nothing but perfect. Every time someone tries to point out how off base you are, you have a fit over why people are disagreeing with you. I can only believe that you do this for sport. Surely you don't really support these comments do you?
Heaven forbid you should ever need help. I simply don't know how you're going to try to get it, you being of the upper crust, you know?:rolleyes: After the Appalachian thread, I said I would never enter this territory again. However, the quote I listed was far too tempting to not at least ask about it.
Question: The guy that asked you about CareSource::with an answer like the one he gave, there had to be something to provoke him. Ya think? I'm sure we'll never hear the rest of that story.:rolleyes:
I have to add this; sometimes you seem to be on a fairly decent path and BOOM, you blurt out another one of your questionable, opinionated, extremely broad, statements. Some of the things you say make some sense. It's too bad you so quickly negate all the good you may have done with one of your bloopers.:(
I did not provoke that man who asked about Care Source. I was totally professional. I simply said to him,"I am sorry sir, we do not take that insurance". He was probably upset and frustrated because some Dr's don't take that insurance in their private practice as it does not pay enough to sustain an office.
As for saying a women needs a man to live a good life, you totally missed my point. My point was that a women should not go into motherhood until she has had her chance to live, explore, educate her life. I don't believe a single woman or a gay couple is any better or worst then a married couple in raising a child. My point was and always has been that I don't think that a young women should think that motherhood is the be all end all of her life. Having a baby at 15 or 19 when one is without education, money saved or a chance to experience life, to travel to volenteer, to know one self, to reach ones goals is often missing out on so much. To have your 20's to yourself and enjoy life, break a couple hearts, get to really know yourself and your stenghts. Not all women feel that way when they are young but many do later. I would like to see more women wait until they are 30 and have had some fun and some experience before bringing a child into this world and have some knowledge and wisdom to give said child. That was my point.
Nice revision! I am sure it was the 5 or 6 of us that totally misunderstood what you were saying, rather than you posting some rather absurd things.
Yes Marigold - you're right and the rest of us are all wrong.
And as far as the young women you say should explore, save money, travel, educate, spend on themselves, etc..............that's probably not an option for most. It would be nice to live that fairy tale life, but unless they are fortunate enough to have the resources to do so, then it ain't gonna' happen!! :(
I try and not make decisions or judgements about how others live their life. It is enough to take care of my own. There are lots of things I might like to see other people do but I am just thinking they are probably not interested in my opinion. I think people who have 19 children are...well whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
...do you have an explanation for quoting from a blog that is totally and completely racist and offensive??
Is that something that should be experienced as well?
ES I posted several different stats. It was not my intention to just post one point of view but several. It was up to the PT people to offer their opinion,there by getting a cross section opinion from over the world and different ages and economic levels. That is why I kept asking others to post stats as well. Here are some facts now lets have opinions. Just as the judge in the south will not let the bi-racial couple get married there are different thoughts accross different areas of the country. I don't believe the judge is dumb or evil it's just the way he was brought up. He doesn't even think what he is doing is wrong. But to us, it's just disgusting. Being racist is a opinion and what you and I find wrong others do not.
Anyway......
As for young girls being able to travel and have fun. It is my hope that young women are able to. Men have so many oppertunites. For my daughter and her friends I hope and pray that they get the chance to do all those wonderful things before getting married and having children. Getting an education and being able to take care of one self is such a joy.
Getting your own apartment, painting the whole thing pink if you want, not having to ask a man what he wants for dinner, having to fold his cloths, or spending your weekend doing what he wants. Learning to be truly your own person. Those first few nights alone, begin afraid of sounds in the middle of the night, going home to an empty apartment on a cold, dark night. Scary, but then you do it and you find such strength and pride that you can take care of yourself. You are a strong, single independent women and the world is yours to take. Sat mornings laying in bed with three men, Ben and Jerry and Steve King. Oh heavely!!
Once you live alone for a year you find strength, confidence, courage you never knew you had plus a huge dose of pride.
If you go back to some of my old posts you will see that I have always said I believe a young girl should wait to have children. I don't think that having a baby in the teens or early 20's is an ideal situation. I have always been for women's rights. For any person man, women, black, white, straight, gay making their life the best they can, educating themselves so that they can take care of themselves and live a productive life. No one grows up saving I want to be poor, hungrey, and cold. We all have hopes and dreams and everyone is entitled to them.
Education is the key, with education nothing is impossible. I don't think that bringing a child into the world when you are not capable of taking care of yourself is good especially the child.
Children should be able to look up to their parents, have pride in them, have them as role models but when they are too young and uneducated the children start out with strikes against them. No child needs that.
A four month old - breastfed baby is uninsurable due to "pre-existing condition" - he is too fat! :eek::eek::eek:
Too fat baby???
Marigold - you evade my question. And I understand why. I would not want to admit I had given a shred of credence to that horrible man.
But you did.
This is the key to the whole thing to me, your first sentence is how I believe we should all live our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
There is something in this recent discussion that is bothering me.
There was a thread in the last couple of weeks about a celebrity who was being blackmailed.
One poster referred to the son of this celebrity using a pejorative - because the parents were not married at the time of the child's birth. I tried to respond using the same pejorative for the grandson of a recently failed politician. But I just could not hit the enter key.
I don't think children should be labeled because of their parents. I don't think this dated word should be used today. It is demeaning and irrelevant.
I thought someone else would say something. But no one did. And I wonder why?
No, racism is wrong. Period. It's not an opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
MEN have so many opportunities?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
And women don't???????
They have the chance. Whether they choose to do so or not is entirely up to them, and has nothing to do with their choices being limited by society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
Excuse me? As was asked so eloquently in the title of another thread, what century are you living in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
[Again, what is preventing them from doing this? If they can't it's most likely their choices, regardless of their economic status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
Again, what is preventing them from doing this? If they can't it's most likely their choices, regardless of their economic status.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
I don't see why you included men in that, because as you stated already, Men have so many opportunities!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marigold2
Didn't know we had regressed to the point of repealing women's rights.
OMG!! Marigold, you have gotten so far off your original path, I can no longer keep up with it. Oh....wait a minute, I couldn't ever keep up with it......I thought I was confused. Now I feel like I've been stranded on a deserted island with no hope for rescue.:confused:
All you're saying is well and good. We would all like to live in a perfect world. It just doesn't happen like that. Aren't you the person that is normally dripping with bitterness and criticism? Your latest posts sound like they were written by someone living on Big Rock Candy Mountain.:confused: How did you get where you are now?
I also have enough trouble keeping myself in order. I have no time to dream for other people. Please come back to 2009.:eek:
My primary care doc is at Loyola University Medical Center. Almost completely paperless office. What took me some getting used to is that she types her notes into the computer while we are talking. I'm looking at her and she's looking at the computer. But it's pretty cool - she can look up my lab results and write orders (time for your mammogram, Elyse; I'll put an order in now [click click click], and you can make your appointment with the scheduler when you check out) as we are talking. They can even e-mail prescriptions directly to Walgreens for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
At the dermatologist's office - she had a little device in her hands that looked like a computer game. Bigger than a PDA, but not as large as a laptop computer, and she was using a little pencil-like thingy to touch her notes right onto the screen. Zero paper there too. I have a prescription that was printed off of their computer, so it is on plain paper instead of Rx pad. I hope Walgreens will be able to accept it - we'll see!
I wish they could talk to each other electronically and I could read all their notes. I doubt that will happen anytime soon, though. I just have to remember to tell my primary care doc what the dermatologist said next time I go. I earned that responsibility by deciding not to go to a derm at Loyola. If I had, it would all be in the computer already. Oh well.
With this age of cutting edge technology, Elyse, you would think communication would be easy. Can anyone understand how it is so hard for all of these people to be on the same page? Is there not a way to have a universal data base for all things medical for a particular social security number? If not a SS #, some other point of ID?Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
I have seen, in my experiecne with doctors, they are not really interested in what the other doctors say anyway. Can this ever be fixed properly? It's the million dollar question I guess.:confused:
Thats what I like about Kaiser, everything is on the computer and even I can see a lot of it and I can email any of my doctors.
My podiatrist has been wonderful, he even gave me his home number.
The more training I get in computers, networks, and comp security the less I like my medical records being all computerized.
Ive seen people turn a user name into a IP address, and into a home address. Heck, if your user name is tied to a photo I can find it.
[TINFOILHAT]What else can I find from just a user name?[/TINFOILHAT]