Only the right off center people.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
The center off left people would be right of the mirror, and can't see left.
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Only the right off center people.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
The center off left people would be right of the mirror, and can't see left.
If somebody goes far enough to the right, don't they eventually become left?
Left behind, perhaps :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Time for some happy political news -
From CNN -
And from the same source -Quote:
U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords, recovering from a gunshot wound to the head sustained January 8, is regaining part of her ability to speak, her spokesman said Wednesday.
C.J. Karamargin would not divulge what Giffords has said, other than saying she asked for toast.
"It's very good news," he told CNN.
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Mark Kelly told reporters on Friday that he expects Giffords to witness Endeavour's launch, scheduled for April 19. With NASA planning to retire the shuttle fleet, this is expected to be Endeavour's last mission.
"I have every intention for her to be at the launch," Kelly said.
If blue wandered too far right, he'd fall into a crevasse, and then he'd be left. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
And what if their whole COUNTRY is upside down? :eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
We ARE upside down here.Quote:
Originally Posted by phesina
That's why we prefer our women to wear skirts.
Didn't you know that already ???? :p
I have glacier training, it was part of Mountaineering 201. Aussieland doesnt have glaciers though, so Im actually impressed you know what a crevasse is, good show.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
We did have glaciers, about half a million years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
But I can't remember back that far. :p
Watching the Egypt coverage and cannot believe that the intel services here in the U.S. got it wrong.
Imagine if we had to deal with a country with Weapons of Mass Destruction.
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I do love fireworks and flares.
Yes, just imagine :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Can I have a few minutes to get my thoughts in order?:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Grace
MSNBC is reporting that Mubarak is in talks to take over KO's old spot on the network.
Only on the globe.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
If you do a regular "number-line" scenario, highly unlikely.
:confused:
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http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af68/xxlt/obama.jpg
Do you think that us Mur-I-cuhns would ever undertake a 'job' like this? The symbolicism is probably way too heavy for us.
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/12/a-...1_lnk3%7C43655
Naw, I can dream tho.....:mad::(
Oh, my goodness.. God love 'em.
Good on you, EGYPTIANS!!!!! You ROCK!
From the AP-
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PHOENIX – Rep. Gabrielle Giffords can walk while holding onto a cart, mouth the lyrics to easy songs and have simple conversations, according to family, staff and her doctors.
Mark Kelly said in an interview broadcast Monday on NBC that he can ask his wife questions and she can respond.
"The communication is coming back very quickly," he said.
Kelly said she is trying so hard that her speech therapist, who only a few days ago was trying to get her to talk more, is now asking Giffords to slow down and make sure she hears the question before giving an answer.
As an example, Kelly spoke of a time when the therapist had three cards on a table, one with a picture of George W. Bush, one with a picture of President Barack Obama and another with an image of George Washington.
"Before she was asked a question, she'd picked up the card and held it up and said 'George Bush,'" Kelly told NBC's Brian Williams. "She's a hard worker and she's trying. She's speaking a lot and at some level they are asking her to slow down a little bit."
The New York Times, citing doctors and her staff, reported on its website late Sunday that Giffords' efforts to relearn how to speak have included mouthing song lyrics, such as "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" and "Happy Birthday to You," as friends and family sang along.
Giffords also briefly spoke with her brother-in-law Scott Kelly by telephone Sunday afternoon as he orbited aboard the International Space Station.
"She said, hi, I'm good," her chief of staff, Pia Carusone, told the paper. He is the brother of Giffords' husband, who is also an astronaut.
She has also been receiving bedside briefings from aides on the recent uprising in Egypt and on last week's decision by Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona not to seek re-election,
"We tell her everything that's going on," Carusone said. "Don't get the idea she's speaking in paragraphs, but she definitely understands what we're saying and she's verbalizing."
Giffords was shot in the head Jan. 8 while meeting with constituents outside a Tucson grocery store. Six people, including a 9-year-old girl and a federal judge, were killed in the attack, and 13 others, including Giffords, were wounded.
The congresswoman began intensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston late last month. The Times reported that an e-mail sent to friends about a week ago by Giffords' mother said that Giffords has been doing squats and repetitive motions to build her muscles and walking through the hospital's halls while holding onto a cart.
The 40-year-old Giffords has beaten one of her nurses at tic-tac-toe and has changed from "kind of a limp noodle" to someone who is "alert, sits up straight with good posture," the e-mail from Gloria Giffords said.
Doctors said in late January that they planned to insert a speaking valve into her tracheostomy — a tube inserted into Giffords' throat to assist her breathing immediately after the shooting. Her doctors have not said whether that procedure took place or whether the tube was removed since she no longer needs it.
Rehabilitation specialists say brain injury patients who regain speech typically begin to do so about four to six weeks after the incident. Several news organizations reported last week that Giffords asked for toast with her breakfast one recent morning.
Quite a difference between Egypt and Iran's response to citizen protests.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/...x.html?hpt=T2#
Are we still getting the full unbiased story of what is going on in Egypt?Quote:
NEW YORK - CBS News correspondent Lara Logan was recovering in a U.S. hospital Tuesday from a sexual attack and beating she sustained while reporting on the tumultuous events in Cairo.
Logan was in the city's Tahrir Square on Friday after Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak stepped down when she, her team and their security "were surrounded by a dangerous element amidst the celebration," CBS said in a statement Tuesday.
The network described a mob of more than 200 people "whipped into a frenzy."
Separated from her crew in the crush of the violent pack, she suffered what CBS called "a brutal and sustained sexual assault and beating." She was saved by a group of women and an estimated 20 Egyptian soldiers, the network said. The Associated Press does not name victims of a sexual assault unless the victim agrees to it.
She reconnected with the CBS team and returned to the U.S. on Saturday.
The scene last Friday in Tahrir Square - ground zero of 18 days of protests that brought down Mubarak - was primarily one of celebration - people wept, jumped for joy, cheered and hugged one another. Some soldiers stationed at the square ran into the crowd, and the protesters lifted them onto their shoulders. Other troops stayed at their posts, watching in awe. There were fireworks, the sound of car horns and even some shots fired in the air.
The attack on Logan, CBS News' chief foreign affairs correspondent, is one of at least 140 others suffered by reporters covering the unrest in Egypt since Jan. 30, according to the Committee to Protect Journalists. An Egyptian reporter died from gunshot wounds he received during the protests.
A week before Friday's attack, Logan was detained by the Egyptian military for a day, along with two CBS cameramen. They returned to the U.S. after their release, and Logan went back to Cairo shortly before Mubarak left.
Logan joined CBS News in 2002. She regularly reports for the "CBS Evening News" as well as "60 Minutes," where she has been a correspondent since 2006. She has reported widely from Iraq and Afghanistan, and other global trouble spots.
CBS said it had no further comment on Logan's assault.
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...#ixzz1E4W3mTY1
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Originally Posted by blue
What do you think?
I have two questions about the stuff going on in Wisconsin. Apparently, the Democrats have gone into hiding to avoid voting on a bill they don't like. SO:
1. Why do they still get paid for not doing their jobs?
2. Who is paying the bill for the hotel across the state line where they are 'hiding out'?
Just wondering. :love:
Perhaps, to the people who elected them and to the 70,000 people braving the Wisconsin winter to protest the bill - they ARE doing their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
The unions have agreed to the financial concessions the governor claims to need. But he will not compromise. He will only accept destroying the unions.
I guess they have not found out that Hosni Mubarak has 'retired'.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
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What do you call M Ghadafi's children?
Dictator Tots.
Ok, maybe the are making 70,000 people (and the unions) happy but if they don't get their tail feathers back to Washington and pass a bill to keep the government running by March 4th, more than that number will be without their pay checks next month. All gov employees, social secuity and disability people and probably others I can't think off will get shafted because they are too chicken to do their job. They don't have to vote the way the govenor wants them too after all. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
MOFF- these are Wisconsin State Senators. They are not members of the national senate. They do not go to Washington - they legislate in Madison WI - the state capital. There are two Wisconsin Senators who go to Washington - these 14 are members of the state senate and deal with strictly Wisconsin state. Whether they return to Madison or not will have no impact on what happens in Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
They state senators are a bunch of local yokels with no allegiance to the people that voted them in, instead of fighting, they tuck tail and go hang out next door and will come back when they feel like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
Also, the union have no effing responsibility to the members, they only want to keep the power to make money and increase union dues so they can keep their 'union' jobs.
When I was part of the SEIU those emm effers paid Jesse Jackson some outrageous amount of money, his hotel and traveling expenses to give a talk to the membership.
As far as I am concerned? That moron didn't represent me and I was irritated they (Union) spent the money to sponsor that shyster.
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That is what they get for winning the Super Bowl.
Well, for heavens sake!!! I never knew that!!! The news keeps saying they need to get back to Washington so I just thought they were the senators we all vote for for our states to go to Washington. Specially since they keep saying the President should step in. I did think it down right odd that all the Democrat Senators would hide because of what was going on in Wisconsin. OOPSIE!!! :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Here's an editorial that helped me "get it" more with respect to the protests up in Madison, Wisconsin.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...7841218.column
Sorry, public employees, but the private sector is being asked to make bigger contributions to our benefit packages and pensions and we are also seeing our pension plans drop. It's been different for you. I get that you're being asked to do more with less... welcome to my world!
One thing I do know is if the President doesn't allow US companies to drill for oil in are own waters, we will be in deep dodo very very soon. Most of the countries we get our oil from are in turmoil. There is already talk of 5 to 7 dollars for a gallon of gas this summer. :love:
Cassiesmom - Again, I am not a fan of unions - I have worked with them, negotiated with them and fought them. But the article you cited - is about as one sided as it gets. The public sector employees surely need their contracts reined in - but I do not think it is right to destroy them. If they agree to the economic consessions - why is it necessary to destroy the union - to take away their bargaining rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
The saying is that employers that get a union deserve a union. Unions are designed to balance the playing field between employers and workers.
And once the public sector unions are gone - they will go after the private sector unions. It is all about power.
An interesting side note- what governor of California signed the legislature that brought public sector unions to California? Ronald Reagan.
So - cut back the benefits of public sector unions at the bargaining table.
p.s. Here's an article from last June that may give balance to the issue. Destroying public unions is not being drvien by the so-called "budget crisis" in Wisconsin - it is a strategy of the GOP.
union busting
But it's from the Chicago Tribune, though, and they are traditionally pretty conservative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Indeed the Chicago Tibune is conservative (but still my favorite paper!:D)Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
But this is an editorial. Not about facts - about his opinion. And he has been with the Tribune for ages and is very, very right wing.
Just look for the facts - and a little balance - on the situation. It will be around for at least the next two years...;);)
Labor union question... I know that labor unions were established when America was a more "production" nation, meaning we were assembling things like cars, TVs, appliances and toys that are now made in other countries. Can it be said that there is still a place for labor unions in America? (and I get that they represent teachers, musicians, airline pilots, police and fire fighters and even professional athletes - people who have nothing to do with production)
When I worked at Hartford there was a statement in the employee handbook explaining why they did not have unions- basically they preferred to work directly with employees.
Also-- even if the governor of Wisconsin does get what he's working for, is he going to get himself voted out of office over this? I'm thinking he might. Is winning the battle worth losing the war, so to speak?
I've heard "working people didn't cause the crisis" as a rationale to not rescind collective bargaining, but at the same time -- I live in Illinois, where the state income tax just went up by two thirds, so as a working person, I'd have to say I'm being compelled to do something about the budget crisis here.
Thanks,
elyse
I agree 100%. I am really disappointed with how the WI GOP is handling this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
There is a HUGE difference about how you conduct business in a Republic. How things are going down in WI is NOT how a Republic should work. A pure Democracy? Yes. A Republic, no.
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If I were the WI Gov.... I'd ask the union to turn their pension plan into a IRA or 401k. Most of us are responsible for our retirement, why should they get a guaranteed pension at taxpayer expense, no matter what comes?
Just borrow another couple of trillion folks, and all of your problems will be solved :cool:
http://dailybail.com/home/there-are-...g-part-ii.html
Now this lady REALLY knows what she is talking about. :rolleyes:
Most governments in the world have rights based on the rights of men.Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
Here, it is the rights of man.
Individual vs. the collective. In a union, you all win or lose together. That is hte risk you take. On your own, you are free to pursue whatever you want. Go for it, per say. But on your own, you are also free to fail. Unions (generally speaking) protect those who fail. That is not how America is supposed to work.
Freedom is not safety. Its not equality. Its not even fair. Its FREEDOM. We have laws to try and protect your right to pursue your happiness but there is no guarantee of results....
"The greatest inequality of all is to try to make unequal things equal."
Aristotle
ETA:
Think about it this way.
What is the difference between "Yes WE can!" and "Yes I can!"
Adam Smith got it right a long time ago.
Where's The Money Coming From For All This?:eek: Where Did The Money Go To?:eek: Is Someone Going Broke Or Are They Already Broke? :eek:
United We Stand Divided We Fall a phrase used by George Washington, Patrick Henry, Ben Franklin and many other "founding fathers".
It was how they believed America must behave in order to be successful.
It is also the premise behind unions.
Similar thoughts go back further than the Founding Fathers. From Matthew 12:25 -Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
Lincoln used these works in an address he gave on June 16, 1858, in Springfield, Illinois, upon accepting the Illinois Republican Party's nomination as that state's United States senator.
What is the National Review? Is it a conservative publication? This author writes for them. It was printed in the Chicago Tribune, which is also conservative.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...7574542.column
Who is it that public employee unions collectively bargain against?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
The taxpayer.
If that is the premise of public employee unions.... No thanks.
Any wonder why so many people are so against PUBLIC employee unions?
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There are many people who believe in the unlimited power of the individual, when the individual is given the most Freedom possible to pursure their happiness. That does NOT mean we do not need each other.
United we stand. United by what? Love of country? God?