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Originally Posted by RICHARD
I wouldn't want to bet on that but, Oprah is a huge dog fan. She loves
them. Don't think she would have him as a guest.
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Originally Posted by RICHARD
I wouldn't want to bet on that but, Oprah is a huge dog fan. She loves
them. Don't think she would have him as a guest.
Notice that Vick found Jesus....
He didn't find God because God spelled backwards is...... :eek:
Heard on the news this morning that David Letterman was commenting on Leona Helmsey leaving 12 million to her dog. DL said the dog was going to use it to sponsor fights between NFL players :p
Oh, good for her! Are the dogs going to kill the ones that aren't good enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by lbaker
In March of 2005 a complaint for damages and demand for a jury trial was filed against him for giving a woman genital herpes, which he KNEW he had but did not know how to tell her and he did not like to talk about!!!! I think I read some posts saying he should be neutered, I think a bit MORE than a neuter needs to be done!!!!
Okay...so Whoopie is getting into the action:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14040573/detail.html
what little respect I had for Goldburg just whoopied out the window.
I'm so sick of celebrities PUSHING their views down the throats of people. Alec Baldwin, Kim Bassinger, Daryl Hannah, Tom Cruise, Whoopi, Rosie. ack
disgusting.
I wonder if this will be the downfall of Whoopie's tour of duty on the view??
UGH, you have GOT to be joking!! How can they POSSIBLY think they can justify his actions by saying its "part of his cultural upbringing"?! So you're saying if part of my cultural upbringing was being racist and having blacks as slaves, and I was caught having a black slave, that would be ok?!?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
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Originally Posted by Jessika
The link given doesn't work for me.Did she try to excuse Vicks behavior?
She tries to justify his behaviour. It's how Vick was brought up...that part of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
I hope The View's ratings plummet and they fire her a$$.
it didn't work for me either the first time but then I clicked on it a minute later and it worked.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Yup she started out her first day of the View defending him b/c where he comes from its a culture and socially acceptable.
I think the link doesn't work b/c for some strange reason there is an extra http:// in it at the end - if you edit it might workQuote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
I don't know why it worked for me first and now it doesn't.
this should work
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14040573/detail.html
b/c this is the way it shows up in my email notification
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14040573/detail.html (http://)
but now I'm confused b/c both links work...
:confused:
Check this out: http://www.tmz.com/2007/09/04/humane...alking-points/
The Humane Society is auctioning off his talking points.
After reading the article I think Whoopi wanted to do something sensational on her first day to create controversy and get attention. It's sad she picked the Vick case as a publicity stunt. I'm sure she can't believe what she was saying. She's worse than RosieQuote:
Originally Posted by shais_mom
It's okay because he's from the South? That's the "well, everyone else is doing it so it must be okay" excuse.
I'm from a rural Kentucky town. Therefore, I guess I must be pregnant and on welfare...I wish I had known this! Just because of where you live and the fact a certain action (like dogfighting) is seen or done there often, doesn't make it right.
I don't want to be stereotyped as a certain way just because I'm from a rural area and now Goldberg is saying that it's okay for him to dogfight because that's why people from around there do? A thumbs down for her in my book, on the dogfighting account and another one down because of the okaying of stereotyping.
I never watch The View anymore and haven't in a long time. I'm glad, though, they have reminded me why I stopped. :p
I found the article & did read it. I am super disappointed in Whoopi for
even bringing his name up at all. :( What's she doing, playing for ratings?
It's understandable because he was raised that way? BS. It is against the
law in every state & has been for years.. The culture thing won't get it.
I went to the ebay auction for Vick's speech notes and see it has 25 bids already and up to $1000. I wonder what that will go for. Here is the item description on the auction:Quote:
Originally Posted by elizabethann
This sheet of paper was discarded at the podium after Michael Vick's apology on August 28th, 2007 at the Omni Hotel in Richmond. Found by an HSUS employee, it appears to be Vick's own talking points from his first public statement after his guilty plea for crimes related to dogfighting.
Ironically, Vick never got to the last three words, "dogs have suffered", which had clearly been added as an afterthought.
This piece of memorabilia culminates the nation's most notorious celebrity cruelty case. It is a symbol of the downfall of a superstar's career but also of the historical event that brought light to the cruel and illegal business of dogfighting in America.
Auction is here: Ebay auction
That's a good example of how cultures can change. It hasn't been socially acceptable to own a slave in close to two hundred years....but at one time it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessika
Just because it was socially acceptable at one time to do an action doesn't mean it will always be that way. If enough people realize the stupidity of their actions, things will change. The "it's my culture" excuse doesn't wash with me.
Lets Hope That Somewhere Somehow The Punishment Will Fit The Crime And These Creeps Spend An Eternity In The Hell So Richly Decribed By Dante In Dantes Inferno.
That Would Be Proper Justice.
I hope people don't forget these victims. :(
Give Vick Dogs a Fighting Chance at Life
Ask U.S. Attorney to allow rescue organizations to adopt qualified dogs
No matter what punishment Michael Vick gets for his days of dogfighting, the fate that may await the 53 pit bulls rescued from a life of deadly combat at his now-defunct Bad Newz Kennels is far worse than anything the disgraced quarterback will face. That is, the dogs he so cruelly abused will likely be killed within a few short weeks—not by Vick and his dogfighting partners in crime, but by lethal injection at the hands of licensed government agents.
Granted, humane euthanasia is a far sight better than death by shooting, hanging, drowning, or electrocution—these being some of the methods Vick admits he used to dispatch dogs who were not skilled fighters. Yet, no matter how it's done or who does it, killing the remaining dogs will still have the same tragic result: the unnecessary end of these innocent animals' lives. These would not be "mercy killings" of terminally ill animals, but merely the deliberate destruction of terribly abused creatures whose suffering might still be alleviated by a systematic regimen of kindness and compassion.
When pit bulls are taken into custody during raids on dogfighting rings, they are almost always killed because they are believed to be dangerous and unfit for society. Yet there are numerous success stories of fighting dogs being completely rehabilitated and recovering from their violent conditioning to become loving animal companions. Therefore, rather than simply write these animals off because they've been damaged by hellish treatment, we must commit to giving them the best chance at a decent life that we possibly can.
Vick could have spared the lives of dogs who lost fights, but chose not to for his own convenience, because dogs who cannot win future fights were of no use to him. IDA believes we must do everything we can for these canine victims, and, thankfully, so do many of our colleagues in the animal protection movement.
IDA commends the ASPCA for agreeing to temperament-test all 53 dogs to determine how dangerous they actually are, and whether they can be properly socialized through retraining. Thankfully, several highly-respected shelters—including Mariah's Promise in Colorado and Best Friends Sanctuary in Utah—have already stepped forward with offers to house the dogs and work with them until they are ready for new homes and new lives. Both of these organizations have direct experience handling aggressive pit bulls, as well as rigorous screening procedures in place to ensure that all dogs adopted out go only to responsible guardians.
As the highest-paid football player in NFL history, Vick is a celebrity athlete on par with the most famous names in any professional sport today, so his indictment has done more to awaken Americans to the scourge of dogfighting than any other event in our nation's history. Such a high-profile animal abuse case demands from us the highest consideration for the lives of those most directly impacted by these unique circumstances. We have a responsibility therefore not only redouble our efforts to end dogfighting in this country, but also to do everything in our power to redeem the lives it has ruined—starting with these 53 dogs.
What You Can Do
1) Please write a letter to U.S. Attorney Michael Gill urging him to allow all dogs who pass temperament evaluations to be taken by qualified rescue organizations:
U.S. Attorney Michael Gill
Case No 307CV397
600 East Main Street, Suite 1800
Richmond, VA 23219
2) Also email the two ASPCA behavioral specialists who will be evaluating the dogs to thank them for their efforts:
http://idausa.org/campaigns/sport/dog/images/070905.jpg
- Steve Zawistowski – [email protected]
- Randall Lockwood – [email protected]
Terrell Owens made the same arguement for Vick that the Whoopster did.
IT was in an interview w/Jim Gray of ESPN that aired on a few days ago.
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I want to say that the 'talking bowling ball' Tiki Barber made some other stupid comments about the case...But I was tired and didn't listen all the way.
Another interesting Letter to the Editor in yesterday's newspaper regarding the "cultural excuse" that people are giving.
It said something like...
Wecan forgive law breakers for their culture- we can forgive illegal aliens for crossing the border, Murders for killing and KKK members for their hate.
I am sure Whoppi can get behind those cultures. :confused:
from msnbc.....RICHMOND, Va. - The prosecutor in the rural county where Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has admitted to bankrolling a dogfighting operation plans to present “a host of bills of indictment” regarding the case to a grand jury on Tuesday.
“Yes, I’m presenting matters to the grand jury that involve dogfighting at 1915 Moonlight Road,” Surry County Commonwealth’s Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Monday night.
Moonlight Road is the address of the two story home on 15 mostly undeveloped acres that has been host to “Bad Newz Kennels” since 2001. It’s where dozens of pit bulls were found in April, and where they were trained, fought and brutally executed.
“Most of the matters that I’m presenting have already been admitted in sworn statements authored by the defendants in the federal proceedings,” Poindexter said.
He couldn’t detail the exact indictments he will pursue, but said the local investigation and the federal investigation largely focused on different crimes.
“The killing of dogs is one of those statutory prohibitions. Dogfighting is a crime, the mistreatment of animals is a crime, so you could take your pick, or take them all,” Poindexter said before cutting the conversation short. “I don’t have anything else to say about it. I’m through with it. Hopefully it’s coming to an end.”
Vick, his co-defendants and lawyers will not attend the closed proceeding.
Efforts to reach Vick’s lawyers by telephone and e-mail were not successful.
Vick and three co-defendants have already pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges in the case, and all are awaiting sentencing in federal court before the end of the year.
Vick, who faces up to five years in prison, also has been indefinitely suspended without pay by the NFL and been dropped by all his major sponsors, including Nike.
The local charges, and a conviction, could spell an end to any hope he has of resuming his NFL career after serving a likely federal prison term. An animal cruelty charge in Virginia is punishable by up to five years in prison, and he admitted in his written plea to helping kill six to eight pit bulls days before the first raid.
That alone could expose him to as many as 40 years in prison.
Vick, in his written plea, also admitted to supplying money for gambling on the fights involving Bad Newz Kennels dogs. He said he did not personally place any bets or share in any winnings, but gave his three co-defendants all those proceeds.
The co-defendants, all of whom pleaded guilty before Vick and detailed what they said was his involvement, agreed to testify against him had the case gone to trial.
The case began in late April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick’s cousin raided the former Virginia Tech star’s property and seized dozens of dogs, most of them pit bulls, and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting.
Six weeks later, with the local investigation perceived to be dragging and a search warrant allowed to expire, federal agents arrived with their own search warrants and started digging up dog carcasses buried days before the first raid.
Poindexter, who had been widely criticized for the pace of the investigation, reacted angrily when the feds moved in, suggesting that Vick’s celebrity was a draw, or that their pursuit of the case could have racial overtones. He later eased off those comments, saying that the sides would simply be pursuing parallel investigations.
What is a temperament examination?Is it something specific to the pit bull? Is it conducted by an expert? I would hate for a dog to be deemed unrescueable and put down, or for a dog found rescueable to be involved later in an accident with a person.Quote:
Please write a letter to U.S. Attorney Michael Gill urging him to allow all dogs who pass temperament evaluations to be taken by qualified rescue organizations
Can you re-train a pit bull (or any aggressive dog, really) to learn to get along with people? Look at retired racing greyhounds, they really have no experience with being part of a family until they go through an adoption program. Once they retire, they have to learn everything about living in a home and being a pet. Those folks must have expertise with identifying the few who can't successfully adapt to a life after racing, but it seems like the great majority of greyhound "retirees" do just fine.
Vick isn't even intelligent enough to avoid the dope while in a court monitored program awaiting sentencing. The fool popped hot on a urinalysis.
Have fun with your future cellmates.
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
How smart do you have to be to throw a ball in a straight line? :rolleyes:
Probably under the impression that the rules apply to OTHER people.
:D
Mikey's getting *dummer* than a Box a Rocks!
Been a bad week for the boy star ...
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"Local Charges" good for a few more years in the slammer AFTER the Feds
get done with him ... MSNBC.com article >>>
"Vick indicted on state dogfighting charges" at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20962932/
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Then we have the Failed Drug Test >>>
"More troubles: Vick positive for marijuana
QB, already facing sentencing for dogfighting, can't leave house at night" ... article at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20994016/
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Now for TODAY'S NEW Development >>>
Bank says Vick defaulted on $2.5 million loan
Royal Bank of Canada files lawsuit against embattled Falcons quarterback ...
And they want their money BACK! ... article at >
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20993051/
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How much do they pay Prisoners to *stamp out* license plates?
I'll bet paying off $2.5 Million will take a LOTTA license plates!
:D
They are done all over the nation on many breeds almost every day. Mostly done in pounds.
Expert is all a relative term. Some people perform the test that shouldn't.
Some pitties are rehabable, others aren't. The same with any dog. (Many points are debated on this. There are many ill-informed out there. Also you have people that believe very strongly on one side or the other of Nature vs. Nurture. Genes or Environment.
Some dogs should never be adopted out, but unfortunately are and it only serves to make a bad name for the very dogs so many people are trying to rescue. Sometimes these people get too attached and are blinded by their own devotion. I say that some should be put down to make room for ones that are rehabable. That's my biased opinion. (Rescue is hard though... To think with a clear head is a difficult feat and an admirable rare quality.)
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Originally Posted by cassiesmom
What do you say we stick Michael Vick and Mike Tyson in a cell together and throw away the key?
:D
Hey ~~ OK!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincy'sMom
Can we BET on the outcome?
:p
I wonder if this is connected to the Canadian bank's action or is it a
separate transaction? Either way, Vick is in deep trouble.Couldn't happen
to a more deserving creep.
Indiana Bank Sues Michael Vick Over Unpaid Car Loans
Bank Claims $2 Million In Damages
POSTED: 11:22 am EDT September 28, 2007
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- An Indiana bank has sued embattled Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick for not repaying loans involving a car rental business.
South Bend-based 1st Source Bank claimed in a federal lawsuit that it had suffered damages of at least $2 million as Vick and Divine Seven LLC of Atlanta had refused to pay for the vehicles.
Vick signed loan agreements as the CFO of Divine Seven, which bought at least 130 vehicles, including many Kia Spectra and Ford Taurus cars, through 1st Source Bank loans, according to documents filed in U.S. District Court in South Bend on Wednesday.
A phone call Friday to a number listed on loan documents for Divine Seven was answered by a clerk at a Payless Car Rental office in Atlanta. The Associated Press left a message there for Art Washington, who signed some of the loan documents as Divine Seven's CEO.
According to the lawsuit, 1st Source Bank made a written demand for payment on Aug. 24, but Vick and Divine Seven have "failed and refused to pay."
The bank has been able to repossess most of the cars, which will limit Vick's financial liability in the lawsuit, said John Griffith, the corporate counsel for 1st Source Bank.
The lawsuit, which seeks unspecified damages, said Vick and the company agreed to their first loans with the bank in January, about three months before authorities began investigating his involvement in a Virginia dogfighting operation.
He pleaded guilty to a dogfighting conspiracy charge in federal court last month and was indicted Tuesday on state charges in Virginia related to the dogfighting ring. He faces up to five years in prison on the federal charge when he is sentenced Dec. 10. He also has been indefinitely suspended by the NFL.
The Royal Bank of Canada sued Vick last week in federal court in Virginia for more than $2.3 million that it said he had planned to use for real estate investments.
A message seeking comment was left Friday at the law firm representing Vick in his criminal cases.
:D
Good Old Mike!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Way to GO, Mikey!!
Keep stampin out those license plates! :D
This is a NEW Mikey Scam coming to light - and an Additional $2 Million to add to his increasing tab!
OK - who's NEXT in line?
:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Cinder & Smoke
Hey Phred, how'd you like the name of Vick's business, "Devine Seven" ?
What a joke. :rolleyes:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/01/vick.dogs/index.html
Good NEWS! All but one of the idiot's dogs have been placed in sanctuaries or rehomed!
Sadly that one had to be put down because it was too agressive around people. Too bad they didn't let it bite Vick good bye!!! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
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Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
I agree. I am glad they were able to help all the others though. It is so
time to shut down this brutal business for good. :mad:
Sure hope ya didn't spend it all ... 'cause
:eek: the Foosball Guys want Their Money BACK!! :D
Falcons reportedly want $16 million from Vick
Team seeking bonus money paid to disgraced quarterback ...
MSNBC News Services
The Atlanta Falcons are asking Michael Vick for their money back.
The team is seeking $16 million in bonus money they paid to the disgraced quarterback, according to an ESPN report.
The team believes Vick's guilty plea to federal dogfighting charges violates his 10-year, $130 million contract he signed in December 2004, according to ESPN. The case will be argued in a hearing Thursday, sources told ESPN.
The entire MSNBC.com article is at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21113170/
/s/ Phred
Well Vick has mended his cruel ways & found religion. He'd do about
anything to lessen his sentence. :rolleyes:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/10/03....ap/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html
Think the next idiot will think twice before breaking the law?
I doubt it, but it will certainly set a good precedent for the NFL in the future.
Mikey must not have wanted to cook a turkey ...
Vick surrenders, begins serving sentence early
Falcons QB is not due to be sentenced on dogfighting charges until Dec. 10 ...
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/i/msnbc/C...rt/APTRANS.gif updated November 19, 2007 -
RICHMOND, Va. - Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick surrendered to U.S. marshals Monday, three weeks before his sentencing on a dogfighting charge and was being held in a regional jail.
Vick is scheduled to be sentenced Dec. 10 on the dogfighting conspiracy charge, but turned himself in because he was anticipating a prison term, according to a court document. Vick could be sentenced to up to five years in prison.
Vick is being held at Northern Neck Regional Jail in Warsaw until his sentencing, U.S. marshals told The Associated Press. The mixed-gender facility houses about 450 inmates.
The order filed in U.S. District Court said “Vick has indicated his desire to voluntarily enter custody prior to his sentencing hearing. It appearing appropriate to do so, the U.S. Marshal is ordered to take custody of the Defendant immediately upon his surrender.”
The order added that Vick was taken into custody “based solely on his desire to begin his period of incarceration prior to his sentencing hearing and not because of violation of any condition of his bond.”
Original MSNBC.com article at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21886083/
I didn't know he plead guilty. I am surprised that he's getting to do this.
Maybe his penalty time is short & he wants to get it over with. :confused: