Sex abuse in church

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Originally Posted by blue

If these stories and cases where from the last 15 or 20 years I would say there is something to the anti Catholic hysteria in the news and with the public.

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Anti-Catholic hysteria ????
You're missing the main point here Blu.
ANYONE.....who is guilty of child sexual abuse, or attempting to hide such individuals should be subjected to the full extent of the law. And that goes for the Pope, the clergy, fireman, police....whoever !!!!! Period.
We have laws...and those laws are in place for very good reasons.
Is the Pope above the Common Law ???? He's just a man. Or do you think he is more than a man ???? And why do you think that Papal Law should be different from the law that we the people must be subjected to ???
I don't care a damn if it's the Catholic church or the local pizza shop, if the bosses of those two establishments are guilty of such a crime, then they must face the same laws.
Anti-Catholic hysteria ???? What for ???? Nobody I know fears the Catholic church !!!!

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Originally Posted by blue

This day in age the Church is the most watched organization when it come to pedofilia.

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I wonder why ????

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Originally Posted by blue

Its like the Ausies are the most watched when it comes to the loving of sheep.

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That's exactly right.
Just like you inbred rednecks who are the butt of our jokes.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

Anti-Catholic hysteria ????
You're missing the main point here Blu.
ANYONE.....who is guilty of child sexual abuse, or attempting to hide such individuals should be subjected to the full extent of the law. And that goes for the Pope, the clergy, fireman, police....whoever !!!!! Period.
We have laws...and those laws are in place for very good reasons.
Is the Pope above the Common Law ???? He's just a man. Or do you think he is more than a man ???? And why do you think that Papal Law should be different from the law that we the people must be subjected to ???
I don't care a damn if it's the Catholic church or the local pizza shop, if the bosses of those two establishments are guilty of such a crime, then they must face the same laws.
Anti-Catholic hysteria ???? What for ???? Nobody I know fears the Catholic church !!!!

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You seem to have missed my point.

The fast fix for pedofiles is a $0.10 solution, be it the Pope or Obama's Education Czar. Speaking of Obama's Education Czar, we could probably just go Soviet style on the members of NAMBLA.

All of these 30 or 40 year old stories of clergy sexual abuse is all about attacking the Church.

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Originally Posted by blue

All of these 30 or 40 year old stories of clergy sexual abuse is all about attacking the Church.

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It's about attacking child abuse.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

I wonder why ????

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There is a good reason for it given their history. The problem is all of the teachers and other authority figures slipping through the cracks because they are "trusted".

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

That's exactly right.
Just like you inbred rednecks who are the butt of our jokes.

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I may be from Alaska but Im not from a Village. ;)

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

It's about attacking child abuse.

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If that where the case they would be focusing on current abuse cases. SO the Church gets demonized for what happened 30-40 years ago, and NAMBLA and Arne Duncan get passes. Thats just great.

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Originally Posted by blue

There is a good reason for it given their history. The problem is all of the teachers and other authority figures slipping through the cracks because they are "trusted".

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Even throughout history, they have never been subjected to the laws of men.
That is the problem.
To be accepted amongst men, they must be held accountable for their crimes as men, and not hold themselves above the laws of men.

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Originally Posted by blue

If that where the case they would be focusing on current abuse cases. SO the Church gets demonized for what happened 30-40 years ago, and NAMBLA and Arne Duncan get passes. Thats just great.

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I have no idea who Nambla or Duncan are.
But if they are guilty, then they must be held accountable.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

Even throughout history, they have never been subjected to the laws of men.
That is the problem.
To be accepted amongst men, they must be held accountable for their crimes as men, and not hold themselves above the laws of men.

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Thats the thing. Over the last 30-40 years they have been held accountable where the laws apply. And NAMBLA and others still get a pass in society, while the Church and religion get demonized.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

I have no idea who Nambla or Duncan are.
But if they are guilty, then they must be held accountable.

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Oz doesnt have Google?

BLUE
The Church has been using the argument that it was just media hype and that the problem was not real. The recent problem dates back 50 years but the problem with coverup, Homosexuality and the Catholic Church goes back to around the 11th century. This was when the church did away with wifes & mistresses for their priest. This is not a new problem that is being made a media issue. The facts are there if you uses the google you speak of with Wom. Either you are a good Catholic with your head in the sand or you just have your head in the sand. Before you come back with uninformed BS do a little reading on the subject. The history is well documented by many sources.

I am not sure if Arne Duncan is a Supporter of NAMBLA or not but since most of the propaganda comes from the Republican machine with Fox as their outlet, I can't believe anything they say. I think Fox news has about as much credibiility as the Inquirer. There is however nothing political about priest abusing children.

http://www.renegadecatholic.com/vinnie3.pdf

http://www.weirdload.com/ratzi-responsible.pdf

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Originally Posted by kokopup

BLUE
The Church has been using the argument that it was just media hype and that the problem was not real. The recent problem dates back 50 years but the problem with coverup, Homosexuality and the Catholic Church goes back to around the 11th century. this was when the church did away with wifes & mistresses for their priest. This is not a new problem that is being made a media issue. The facts are there if you uses the google you speak of with Wom. Either you are a good Catholic with your head in the sand or you just have your head in the sand. Before you come back with uninformed BS do a little reading on the subject. The history is well documented by many sources.

http://www.renegadecatholic.com/vinnie3.pdf

http://www.weirdload.com/ratzi-responsible.pdf

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Im not arguing for the Church, the Church has done very abhorrent things in the past. The problem is/was very real. Should we treat ourselves the way the media is trying to treat the Church and judge us by the sins of our fathers? My father was no saint, am I guilty of his sins?

I am a very badly behaving Catholic, as I already stated in this thread.

The history is there, but have you looked at the recent history? The last 20 years, or is your head buried in the sand of the past?

What the Catholics have done to children is dwarfed by how the Muslims have treated their children and women.

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Originally Posted by blue

Im not arguing for the Church, the Church has done very abhorrent things in the past. The problem is/was very real. Should we treat ourselves the way the media is trying to treat the Church and judge us by the sins of our fathers? My father was no saint, am I guilty of his sins?

I am a very badly behaving Catholic, as I already stated in this thread.

The history is there, but have you looked at the recent history? The last 20 years, or is your head buried in the sand of the past?

What the Catholics have done to children is dwarfed by how the Muslims have treated their children and women.

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But Blue, we are not blaming you for the sins of the church, or of your father, or of the past. We are blaming the Catholic church system for allowing this sort of behaviour to go on and on and on. And the fact that it keeps going on, is evidenced by the continual relocation of the perpetrators to different countries etc etc. This is the PUNISHMENT that is metted out by the Catholic church to these priests.
Everyone else gets locked up.....priests get sent to a new location....something wrong there, don't you think ????
And as for the Pope....he's been sweeping this stuff under the carpet, it was his job !!!! Don't you think he should be held accountable for that ???

People look up to the church for spiritual guidance. Don't you think they deserve better than to have their children abused sexually ???

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church.....they are attacking what the Catholic church is doing about a very serious problem...and that is very little.

"What the Catholics have done to children is dwarfed by how the Muslims have treated their children and women"

What has that to do with anything ???? I'm sure the Muslims will look after their own problems, and we will look after ours.

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Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

But Blue, we are not blaming you for the sins of the church, or of your father, or of the past. We are blaming the Catholic church system for allowing this sort of behaviour to go on and on and on. And the fact that it keeps going on, is evidenced by the continual relocation of the perpetrators to different countries etc etc. This is the PUNISHMENT that is metted out by the Catholic church to these priests.
Everyone else gets locked up.....priests get sent to a new location....something wrong there, don't you think ????
And as for the Pope....he's been sweeping this stuff under the carpet, it was his job !!!! Don't you think he should be held accountable for that ???

People look up to the church for spiritual guidance. Don't you think they deserve better than to have their children abused sexually ???

Nobody is attacking the Catholic Church.....they are attacking what the Catholic church is doing about a very serious problem...and that is very little.

"What the Catholics have done to children is dwarfed by how the Muslims have treated their children and women"

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I can see Im banging my head against a wall here. The Church has made great leaps in the past decades under great scrutiny from the public, some chose to not see the changes. So be it.

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What has that to do with anything ???? I'm sure the Muslims will look after their own problems, and we will look after ours.

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The Muslims are our brothers and sisters, their problems are ours.

I haven't religiously (no pun intended) been following all the happening in this scandal, but aren't most of these incidents 30 or 40 or 50 years old??? Is there a statute of limitations to prosecute crimes such as this? I may be wrong, but I thought the only crime that doesn't have time limitations for prosecution, was murder. Unfortunately in the end, our own laws may be protecting these scumbags if such time has run out. :mad:

But by bringing all these dirty little secrets out for all to see, hopefully it will put the fear of God (no pun intended again) into more priests, and maybe they just might think twice before they do their dirty deeds again, for fear of getting caught and prosecuted.