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Why is it I get the feeling if Richards name was Richardina you would have agreed with her posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Im sure your theory is as insulting, belittleing and degrading as the rest of your theories and opinions of others who dissagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
How droll....Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)
Ya know.... If you really cared about these children, or anybodies children, we would be talking about this "stimulus" bill that is about to flush our kids future down the tubes.
And speaking of ignorance... I wonder if anybody in Congress has read an honest history book?
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
-- Cicero , 55 BC
Please get this thread out of the realm of personal attacks. Belittling others is not necessary, and not part of the spirit of Pet Talk. I think we all know how certain of you feel about each other, and don't need to see it reiterated again and again. It is not helpful, conducive to dialogue, or good for the community.
I do agree that "Octomom" - who should be referred to as Tetradecamom, as she now has 14 children - is not stable or sane, and that her physician, if he had knowledge of her mental state, should be investigated and disciplined.
I hope all her children get enough love and support and care from the extended community, and their health and well-being are not further compromised by Ms. Suleman's mental issues. They will all be in my prayers. They did not ask to be born, after all.
I agree completely. I see both sides of this argument and see good points in both. However I think people can agree to disagree ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
IMO - you know not of what you speak!Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
BTW - do you have any children? Just curious.............
Very well said. I loved reading it. I can tell it's straight from your heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJFyrewolf36
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Originally Posted by Karen
I don't take things personally.
LOL, I was a total loss at anything "math"- I appreciate your correcting me by naming the proper term!
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I do not have any children, Fortunately, I realized that I my desires to have a whole shiat load of kiddies would fit into my ethnic and religious upbringing, But, LO! God blesseth me with common sense, the realization that I am a better person when I can give kids back to their parents and thought that the
planet I grew up in is not the same planet they would be left with.
Plus, If I cannot behave on this website, what would my offspring be like?
Also, I didn't want them to hang around with ninnies who run the country, always have the "right" opinion and will not take responsibility for screwing up my earth.:(
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Blue,
Richardina? I'll call my next goldfish that in your honor.:cool:
I think that some people are obsessed with stupidity (Me) and are on some kind of stalking trip!:D:confused:
I didn't think so. No one that has/had children would ever agree with your thoughts on "replacements". Again - IMO :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Potmtzu...I would expand on that...I don't think anyone who has ever loved a child would ever agree with those thoughts on "replacements."Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I've had kids and I know there are some people whou would think of children as "replacements".
Its a sad fact that for any obsurd notion there is SOMEONE on this planet that proves it to be true. Its just the way this world works :(
So, that discounts my opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The woman had three kids thru AI, what do you think she was thinking at the time?:confused:
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Grace,
I thought at least one person needed 'stimulus' to get er done!:D
Everyone has an opinion - just as everyone has an...........well - I think you know how that one goes! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
And I think she was thinking of having another child, since when multiples are implanted, they don't very often all take - if any at all!!! You can't "replace" a child with another - and I'll argue that one till my last breath! You can make room in your heart and in your life for another and different one, but you can never "replace" the one that is gone!!!
I am so sorry you have known such people.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJFyrewolf36
Perhaps we need to define "replacement."
I have told my husband if anything happens to me the best way he can honor my memory is to find someone to be with.
Not a replacement for me.
If being with me made his life richer and better, I would want him to have that experience again. Why should he be alone because I am gone? It does me no good.
And I know he has a big enough heart to have loved me and to love again.
If what has been described on here as "replacement children" were such...wouldn't that by extension mean every couple that has more than one child is "replacing?"
People can survive loss and love again...that doesn't mean they are replacing the lost one...just that they enjoyed loving so much they want to continue doing it.
Pomtzu says it so beautifully...Quote:
You can make room in your heart and in your life for another and different one, but you can never "replace" the one that is gone!!!
I was waiting on a long checkout line at the supermarket today and the cover of one of the tabloids suggested something about this mother that gave me the shivers. It has a picture of her next to a picture of Angelina Jolie, and it said that she wants to look like Angelina Jolie (even had plastic surgery to achieve that goal) and to have a big family like her. (shiver) It seems to me a bad reason to have octuplets. I can't help but wonder if all of this publicity is only compounding the problem. If the press left her and the babies alone, might that be a reality check for her?
Again I find myself agreeing with you, ES. I would want my husband to move on with his life too if anything were to happen to me. However I at least was talking about people who have a child to literally replace a lost one, giving it the same name and not telling it about its sibling...never mentioning anything about what happened at all. It seems like something you'd see in books but Ive known someone that this happened to. Her parents never told her about what happened and it wasnt until she was an adult that she found some paperwork pointing her to the truth. People like that are truely disgusting IMO. Moving on is one thing, something like this is quite another.
Cassiesmom: I think that if she didn't get any special attention for her first six, she wouldn't have tried a stunt like this to get even more attention. Right now the best thing for this situation is for people to just ignore her but she has good publicists who have made this in to a money making circus act. Hopefully all this wont negitively impact the children but I have a feeling that it will. :(
Fyrewolf....that is a sad story. But there are people who abuse their children, nonetheless I am not prepared to assume everyone who has children abuses them. Likewise, I am not willing to assume because a couple loses their children in a tragic accident and decide to have more children they are engaged in some sick "child replacement" thing. (Especially since, as has been pointed out repeatedly, they did not go into the invitro to have three children...it happened - it was not planned.)
And I agree with you and Cassiesmom. This woman needs LESS publicity. I turn off the t.v. if she comes on and will not buy magazines with anything about her.
I have been trying to figure out why Nancy Pelosi's name is in the title of this thread.
Is there any reason other than the OP's obsession with superior women?
Im trying to find the news clip RICHARDwina was basing this thread on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
But are you realy call Nancy "Mussolini" Pelosi superior? And if you are please explain who she is superior to.
I have no idea who Nancy "Mussolini" Pelosi is but I am referring to the Speaker of the House...the third most powerful politician in the United States.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
You may have heard of her. :D:D
And are you stalking me? You seem to attack me whenever I post without adding anything to the thread.
So you know who Nancy Pelosi is but not Nancy "Mussolini" Pelosi is, Ill clue you in they are the third most powerful polititian in the USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
So power means superior to you?
And I could ask you the same question about stalking, at least when I reply to your posts I dont make belittling or insulting comments about you.
So...to get back on subject...what does Nancy Pelosi have to do with this woman birthing 14 children?
Anyone know?
Because she has spoken of birth control in her life...come on ES:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Because the OP from the OP decided it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
This might be the video RICHARDwina was referring to, link. In this video, Mussolini in a skirt Pelosi dosent refer to 'unwanted' children, but children in general. Less money for children's health and education equals more money for the states fiscal health.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Oh of course! So let me see if I understand. Birth control is a bad thing...14 children is a good thing???Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Where would I be without you to explain these things to me CM???;):rolleyes::D:D
A mother of 5, grandmother of 7, Mrs Pelosi telling others how many kids they should have so she can have more state and federal funds to further her own idealisms? Idealisms that in the end will not affect her in any way shape or form, finacially, or socially.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Pushing for more federal dollars, on top of the California state dollars, for contraceptives for US citizens as part of a stimulus package, thats saying lets spend money to save money.
None of us want our tax dollars to go to this womanedit*OctoMom*, but I would not deny the children my tax money if it meant their lives.
My conclusion from Mrs Nancy Mussolini Pelosi's statement is, its cheaper to abort then support.
I missed this one.
Droll?Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.
I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.
Even if you ever even remotely agreed with me on anything, I doubt you would admit to it.
ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.
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Originally Posted by blue
That's idotic - blu. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
In actuality, that is true. However, there are people who believe that you can. When I was first married, my husband and I went to our family dr. for complete physicals. When the dr. heard that I was on birth control and was considering having my tubes tied, he said "You should reconsider. If something should happen to your son, (this was my second marriage) God forbid, you'll want to have more children". I said "No, I wouldn't. I'd be too heartbroken. Besides, you can't replace children like cattle". He said "You would change your mind and then it would be too late". However we feel, there are still people who feel that if a child dies, you can possibly fill the void w/another one. I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.
That's the exact same situation I encountered years ago. I expressed the desire to my doctor to have my tubes tied after my 2nd child, and he asked the same question - what if something happened to one or both of my children - and I said the same thing - that they could never be "replaced"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
And, of course, they couldn't be replaced. My point is that the word "replacement", however offensive to some, stresses the point that there is a void in the family that, in their opinion, needs to be filled. Having a family is of the utmost importance to many and if, for instance, an only child was taken from them, I can understand their wanting to have more children. I wouldn't see it as trying to replace the lost child and it's doubtful that they would see it that way too. They would be, IMO, trying to have their normalcy, their family, again. They would always revere their child's memory but having more children doesn't detract from their child's legacy. If anything, it enhances it because it's a testament to the impact that the child made on their lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
That is exactly the point some of us have been making. This couple, who chose to have more children after losing their three were called "sicko" (she was anyway) for wanting "replacement children." What Pomtzu and I at least have been saying is the are not "replacements" nor is the action "sicko."Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
It offends me to see this couple labeled in this way.
Thank you for understanding.
No, that's saying "let's spend money for the good of the country, its people and it limited resources." Less unplanned/unwanted pregnancies means less abortions, less poverty, less child abuse, less water rationing, less overcrowding. Those are good things.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Btw...who is your ghostwriter?;)
How does "New Kids on the Block" sound?Quote:
Originally Posted by Medusa
That would be a great name for a band.
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I think I heard about the 49 year old woman who is having quads soon just reinforces my idea that all this baby farming should be looked at closely.
I heard a doc that specializes in OB that 20-80 percent of preemie MB kids suffer from life long physical/health problems.
Poor kids, They can't pick their parents, the parents pick them.:(:rolleyes:
Let me just throw one more comment in for the vultures:
Regarding the woman that had invitro after her 3 children died - some here feel she was a "sicko" and guilty of producing "replacements".........what if she had tried and happened to get pregnant "naturally"?? Then what? Does that somehow make it "acceptable"? IMO - there is absolutely no difference what-so-ever!
You "replace" a car - you "replace" a pair of shoes, since you can get another the same or very similar. You don't get a "replacement" child - you get a totally different and unique individual!
A VULTURE CIRCLING IN!
Now a woman who IVFs a litter of kids because she had money to get them is no worse that a woman who has money and NKOTBs a set of triplets to makeup for the three she lost in an accident is different?
I really don't see the diff. The crash mom- again I am probably wrong about this- probably make some ducats off of the trucker, the company he drove for and what ever insurance the family had.....So why not?.
Go toss a few K at a physician and farm out three kids at once to ease the pain.
Again, How can anyone look into the faces of those children and not think that? ANd what kind of freaky bedtime stories will the kids get....
"These are pics your dead siblings-they died in a car crash.....You never met them, but then god blessed us with you three and now we are happy!"
That puts an effing blanket of security onto the kids, eh?
"Mommy, if one of us dies will you have more kids?"
LOL,
Bad enough we all get the "was I adopted" ideas as we grow up.....now the kids have to worry about being replaced. I really want to see the CF that family grows into.
You are so far off base here that it's really pathetic. I can't believe that a grown, and supposedly intelligent man, can be so blind. Why is it so difficult for you to see that some people aren't complete without children in their lives, to love and to carry on a part of themselves for generations to come? To even think that this woman was taking advantage of the people responsible for the death of her children is absolutely ludicrous! She wanted another child, and the good Lord saw fit to bless her with three more. How terrible!! (in your opinion)! And what a childish statement to make in reference to "freaky bedtime stories". But there really isn't much point in dragging this out - because you will continue to spout off more nonsense. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
No you cant replace the lost children outside of cloning.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The replacement is filling the void left from the loss of the children.
Thanks for the judgement and insult.
If spending money for the good of the country was the issue, they would let us keep more of it to spend to build the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
We already have millions if not billions spent on preventing births, do they really need millions more to stimulate the economy?
An area dosent have to be overpopulated to have poverty, child abuse, or water rationing.
Are you insulting me again? Or are you saying I should author Obama's next "self written" book?Quote:
Btw...who is your ghostwriter?;)