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Phred, I love to read about your adventures! You are such a great dog dad...I'm glad your adventure at the park went well, minus the rope burns of course. It sounds to me like you are the hero Hobo has been waiting for in his life...what a wonderful man you are....:D:D
Give all the pups kisses from me and I pray for a nice quiet evening and night for you all....
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Originally posted by Cincy'sMom
The only rule I could find seems to have a
loop big enough to drive a truck through... It says
"Ohio Revised Code 955.11 prohibts dogs deemed
"dangerous" from obtaining a park permit."
Doesn't say any breeds are prohibited, and
certainly Hobo has not been deemed Dangerous!!
And let the rangers come try to take you your "dangerous dog"
and 20 or 30 of his closest friends away fromthe park!!!
:mad:
Hobo sez "Thanks for the Vote of Confidence";
but your Kind Thoughts aren't backed up by the provisions
of the State LAW you found reference to (ORC 955.11).
There's a big *IF* that goes along with all this ~
The *"IF*" being:
IS Hobo considered or LABELED by the
County Dog Warden as a Pit Bull MIX??
Since I wasn't trying to buy him a License - none of the three Wardens
who saw and touched him actually SAID he was a Pit / Pit MIX -
they just "hinted" maybe he was. :(
Here's what the Sandusky County Dog Warden's web page says:
What dogs are considered Pit Bulls?
Any breed of dog that is commonly known as the Pit Bull. These breed include American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Bull Terrier or
any of these breeds mixed with another breed.
If I own a Pit Bull or a dog with part Pit Bull, what do I have to do to be in compliance with Ohio Law?
You have four major responsibilities as a Pit Bull owner, harborer, or keeper under Ohio Law:
1. License the dog. All dogs in Ohio are required to be licensed when they reach three months of age. The dog must be licensed as a Pit Bull, Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull or mix of any of these breeds. If you do not know the exact breed, register the dog with us as a Pit Bull mix. Registration of a Pit Bull dog or any of the Pit Bull family merely as a mix will not be accepted by this office. The license will be considered invalid. You may also be charged with violation of 955.25 (unlawful tag) or 955.25 (fictitious tag).
2. Confine the dog. Pit Bulls must be kept in a kennel with a top and lock or a fenced in back yard with gate(s) locked.
3. When walking you dog, it must be muzzled and
walked on a chain-linked leash or tether not more than six feet long.
4. The dog MUST be covered by a minimum $100,000 liability insurance policy. If you own your home, you may be covered. If not, you must purchase liability insurance from an agent. Two companies that cover Pit Bulls are listed at the end of this page.
*If you give away or sell your Pit Bull dog or puppies, you must fill out a transfer form (available ONLY at the Dog Warden's Office). Failure to transfer a Pit Bull is a Minor Misdemeanor.*
Who determines when a mix breed is a mixed Pit Bull?
The Dog Warden and Deputies are trained to recognize Pit Bulls and Pit Bull mixes. We attend seminars and classes where experts in the field of dogs teach the Wardens.
The Ohio Attorney General's Office has issued an opinion #OAG 89-0912. Any individual charged with the enforcement of Ohio Revised Code 955.11 and 955.22 is qualified to identify Pit Bull dogs in order to enforce the provisions, provided such identification is reasonable.
If you disagree, after being issed a citation for any violation of the dog laws you can appear on the court date on your citation and state your case to the Judge.
Why are Pit Bulls the only dogs considered vicious
because of their breed?
This was enacted by the State Legislature in 1987 as an answer to the concerns voiced by Ohio citizens after several persons were killed by Pit Bulls. It is the Law! This office is mandated to enforce the law. The law can only be changed by the State Legislature.
What other dogs are considered vicious?
Any dog that has bitten and caused injury to a person or killed another dog or person.
What are the penalties for violating the vicious dog laws?
Violating any of the four responsibilities listed above is a First Degree Misdemeanor on the first offense punishable by up to a one thousand dollar fine and six months in jail. A second offense is a Fourth Degree Felony.
Above from:
Sandusky County (Ohio) Dog Warden
The LEGAL Mumbo Jumbo is available on the Anderson Publishing site at:
Anderson's "Ohio Revised Code"
The *link* will probably open the Index page -
Select "Title IX (9) Agriculture - Animals"
Select "Chapter 955 Dogs"
Scroll down in right panel to find:
"955.11. Transfer of ownership or possession of dog."
The Bad News starts with the daffynition of a "Dangerous Dog":
You become a "Dangerous Dog" if you just Chase or otherwise THREATEN a human.
No Byte has to take place - just a "threat" earns ANY dog (breed)
the "Dangerous" label.
More Serious is the Section 955.11 (A)(4)(a) Vicious Dog label!
You earn Vicious Dog Status in any of three ways:
i) You killed or caused serious injury to any person;
(ii) You caused injury to any person, or has killed another dog.
(Probably includes jumping up an knocking down a human).
(ii) Belongs to a breed that is commonly known as a pit bull dog. The ownership, keeping, or harboring of such a breed of dog shall be prima-facie evidence of the ownership, keeping, or harboring of a vicious dog.
Isn't this just GREAT!???
Get born with Pit genes or looks and you are
AUTOMATICALLY Labeled as a VICIOUS Dog!
No "byte" or other nasty behavior required -
you ARE a "vicious dog" by Birth!!
The "Park RULE" cited by Amy seems to be a "twisting" of what
ORC 955.11 actually says -
That ORC Section doesn't say anything about Dog Parks ...
Hancock Parks probably MEANT that any dog labeled as "Dangerous"
under 955.11 cannot obtain a Dog Park Permit.
And any dog labeled as "VICIOUS" is also a member of
the "Dangerous" classification ...
So a PART Pit is a Vicious dog, is also a Dangerous dog;
and thereby NOT allowed to obtain a Dog Park Permit.
Did I say This Situation really *SUCKS*?
No Wonder Hobo Has No Home! :(
/s/ :mad: + :( Phred
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Oh Phred!! You're so sweet to rescue sweet Hobo!! :)
The situation really does suck. Hobe (and most pit x) are SWEET dogs!!! People really have no clue, do they??
Thanks for helping him...you are an angel!
Rules like that burn me up.....but let's not even GO there!
Maybe a certain OUT OF STATE pet talker cough * cough......Laurie was really meant to be Hobo's new mom. Could be they WHY behind why you found him in the first place.
I was hoping Hobo's owners (assuming he has some and that they are worthy of this dear young man) would have been found by now. He appears to have no problems with other dogs, obviously. Keep me advised re: the KAT sittyattion.. my sanity would depend on it. Any dog in my home sleeps with the rest of the mutts, usually in my room and/or on my bed. So I'll need a bigger bed - big deal :rolleyes: my back door leading to my rather large, semi-shaded, fenced in back yard is almost always open so mutts and katz can come and go as they please. I don't worry about bungling burglers, not with my crew;) they are quite protective of their two-legger and their home
Gee if Laurie came to the Memorial Day Pet Talk meeting in Ohio, she could go home with a shiny brindle "door prize?" *hint hint hint*
Oh Phred, you really are an incredible human being. I cannot believe you have rescued and are harboring another needy pup. Good luck to you Smoke, Cinder, Bowser, and Hobo. I am still hoping that you will find his initial owners. Maybe they went away for the week and someone else was watching him? And lbaker your offer was so generous. I am sure with such wonderful PTers looking out for him Hobo will be just fine.
Sounds like a winning idea to me!!Quote:
Originally posted by Karen
Gee if Laurie came to the Memorial Day Pet Talk meeting in Ohio, she could go home with a shiny brindle "door prize?" *hint hint hint*
:confused:
The LONG-awaited KAT Test was JUST held - moments ago ...
My Hand-Paw is still *drippin* red stuff. :(
Hobo was leashed to the dining room table...
Boots (da KAT) made his appearance cradled in Dad's arms.
The 10 feet away from each other reaction was instantaneous...
Hobo <BARKED> and *LUNGED* ...
Boots <PUFFED> <HisSSS'd> <GRRRRrrr'd> <TOOK a BYTE> AND
turned on the 4-Paw Drive to vacate the area!
Hobo had the ZAPPER! collar on - and wiff allua *Hissin* & *Grrrin* goin
on - I'm not sure how many <BARKS> there were -
But it was LOUD!
I released da KAT when it was obvious he was headed *west* towards
the bed/bath end of the house.
My, that went well!
Let's Do It Again, Phred.
FIND da Kat ...
(Table and Dog had remained more or less in the dining room).
Kat was <puffed> to about Double Size - <pouting> in the bunk room.
He *GRRrrr'd* all the way back into the dining room; and as Hobo came
into view - he switched to "stereo / surround-sound" with a combp
*Grrr* / *HIsss* / *YEE-Owllll* for max effect.
Can't remember if we got a <Bark> or not - but Hobo was a little LESS
"agitated" and didn't <paw> as much - and actually alternated between
a <SIT> and a <Down>.
I got da KAT a little closer - and Hobo sort of looked away - but certainly
was NOT really "afraid" of the Mouthy Kat.
Of all the Dogs I've "introduced" Boots to - Hobo got the WORST "greeting"!
Hobo remains "free" in the UPstairs, but is now <towing> a short leash;
KAT is safely <tucked> in the Baffroom.
We'll Do It Again a few times to see if Hobo calms down at all in the presence
of da Kat; judging from da KAT - HE won't be approaching Hobo for quite
a while - if ever.
So far - Hobo doesn NOT appear to be "On the Hunt" for the KAT he now
knows is In the Building.
"TRUST" Hobo around a Kat - not by a long shot -YET!
"Initial Report" is in ...Quote:
Originally posted by lbaker
Keep me advised re: the KAT sittyattion...
my sanity would depend on it.
Results / Conclusions = "Mixed"
/s/ *drippy* Phred
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All in all, not a bad first (second time) introduction.:D
Maggie at 4 mos old was VERY "interested" in the kitties here.
I kept a leash on her while they came around. I definately let the
cats set the time when they wanted to get closer to her. Maggie
eventually lost interest & decided the cats didn't want to play
as much as Smokey did.:D
Quote:
Originally posted by Cinder & Smoke
:confused:
The LONG-awaited KAT Test was JUST held - moments ago ...
My Hand-Paw is still *drippin* red stuff. :(
/s/ *drippy* Phred
..
:confused:
I am confused as to how you got the red stuff was it a Bootz bite or Hobo bite?
I'm guessing it was this.....
Quote:
Originally posted by Cinder & Smoke
Boots <PUFFED> <HisSSS'd> <GRRRRrrr'd> <TOOK a BYTE> AND turned on the 4-Paw Drive to vacate the area!
It was BOOTS da KAT, for sure, that drew blood!Quote:
Originally posted by shais_mom
:confused:
I am confused as to how you got the red stuff ~
was it a Bootz bite or a Hobo bite?
"Boots <PUFFED> <HisSSS'd> <GRRRRrrr'd> <TOOK a BYTE> AND
turned on the 4-Paw Drive to vacate the area!"
Da KAT went from "uppyset" to REALLY PI$$ED in the blink of an eye!
I *thunk* I had a FIRM grip on him as we approached Hobo ...
all I remember was da KAT turned into a LION with 4 FLAILING sets
of steak knives - I was trying to prevent him taking the Up & Over route
which would have been UP my chest and OVER my face & head! :eek:
I looked down as we backed away and noted the Kat's MOUTH was
firmly attached to the base of my left hand middle finger;
his slashing Knives were covering a WIDE area including my left arm.
When the fur settled; only two holes in me ...
a Toofie mark on the finger, and a small hole on my wrist ...
along with several non-leaking scratches.
/s/ Kat Tester
Oh poor Phred I'm sorry these critters don't realise that you are just trying to help them all out. Hope no major fire stuff happens with the hands cut up so bad.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cinder & Smoke
[B]It was BOOTS da KAT, for sure, that drew blood!
"Boots <PUFFED> <HisSSS'd> <GRRRRrrr'd> <TOOK a BYTE> AND
turned on the 4-Paw Drive to vacate the area!"
Da KAT went from "uppyset" to REALLY PI$$ED in the blink of an eye!
I *thunk* I had a FIRM grip on him as we approached Hobo ...
all I remember was da KAT turned into a LION with 4 FLAILING sets
of steak knives - I was trying to prevent him taking the Up & Over route
which would have been UP my chest and OVER my face & head! :eek:
oh my gosh! the visual!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: