Oh now that is a great idea - Hannah is such a lucky girl :pQuote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Hey sparks, can you get us a picture of that? On second thought, never mind.....:eek:
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Oh now that is a great idea - Hannah is such a lucky girl :pQuote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
Hey sparks, can you get us a picture of that? On second thought, never mind.....:eek:
LOL in that case maybe he won't take lessons :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JenBKR
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Originally Posted by caseysmom
Well... we do'nt need him arrested for indecent exposure :p LMAO
I really feel for Hannah when it comes time for dating hahaha
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by JenBKR
Good idea. LOL
I'll say this...
"Boy, you best get your rump outta my house, else i'll start to singin' fer ya."
While cleaning one of my guns.
Good idea! Assist to JenBKR! LOL
EVEN BETTER.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
You guys are smart. :D
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Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Yikes!
Would certainly scare ME away! (Then again, my OWN singing would scare me away, if that was possible.....:p )
Oh dear....I will make sure that TY is not the first date that Hannah has!! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Man.. so glad non of you were my folks LOL :D
Mind you my dad did have a gun.. its an antique now & I've been trying to get him to give it to me.
http://www.criticallayouts.com/image...-funny-ag1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by JenBKR
Whats funny is that post reminded me to contact the government to see what can be done for me to get that rifle without it going through the chop shopQuote:
Originally Posted by king2005
Any luck with getting the rifle?Quote:
Originally Posted by king2005
The government isn't getting back to me... kinda surprised reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by blue
Hey Blue,Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
The governenment got back to me! I can register my fathers rifle with NO issues. We just have to call a special number to get it registered & then placed under my name.
My dad agreeded for now. But hes debating if he wants to get his licence or not. I told him it needs to be registered ASAP & if & when he gets that licence I'll have it transfered back to his name.. BUT I made it darn clear that if its going under my name he MUST place the trigger lock I buy & mail him onto it. I will have both keys, NOT him. When I come down next summer, I will be taking the rifle apart & removing the firing pin & that'll be coming home with me & placed into a Firesafe with the keys for safety. The rifle will stay with him as hes had it since he was a boy & has NO intentions on giving it to anyone. He knows its worth between 3000-5000.00 now, & thats why I do NOT want it, so he wont worry about it being stolen from me or me selling it (which I would NEVER dream of doing!!)... But regardless that its registered under my name, in the end it is not mine & I know that. I just don't him him getting into doo doo or it going to the chop shop :(
I'll also be making him buy it a locking case that his current case can fit inside, so it can be locked so no one can even look at it. As it'll be under my name, & I refuse to get into any sort of issues becuase of some idiot finding it (which has never happened, but it would just be my luck)...
The Government also gave me a special number to call to have the ammunition destroyed. Its so old & has been laying around, I fear it might be damaged from age, or some strange moisture, mild, anything effecting it, or makin git super fragile & randomly exploding & possibly harming someone, or if someone forgets thats the old stuff & tries to use it & thinks its a dud & stupidly doesn't wait 1 min & take it out & then it goes off due to delay...
All that is soo unlikely, but why risk it right?
I promote Gun safety & I have very strict gun rules, which I force anyone I'm with to obey. Many are already gun safety rules/laws, but I go a little over board as many others do, as the laws here are strict enough & I don't want some idiot with me making them any worse, or worse I get blamed for something an idiot does & loose my license & guns.. NOT cool at all!!
I live by this rule 90% of the time, "Better Be Safe Then Sorry"... However I'm still a risk taker, like I'll climb a waterfall cliff, climb random boulders, walk across fallen trees, & other stupid things like petting a Bull Moose & touching his velvet antlers. I was quiet, slow & calm so he was cool.. Other people scared him away when they quickly reached for him.. idiots :P
Boy, 8, fatally shoots self in head while trying out Uzi submachine gun at Mass. gun club show
By Associated Press
11:15 AM CDT, October 27, 2008
WESTFIELD, Mass. (AP) _ An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.
The boy lost control of the weapon while firing it Sunday at the Machine Gun Shoot and Firearms Expo at the Westfield Sportsman's Club, police Lt. Lawrence Vallierpratte said.
The boy, Christopher Bizilj of Ashford, Conn., was with a certified instructor and "was shooting the weapon down range when the force of the weapon made it travel up and back toward his head, where he suffered the injury," a police statement said.
Christopher died at Baystate Medical Center.
Police said the boy's father, Charles Bizilj, attended the event with his son. The father is the medical director of emergency medicine at Johnson Memorial Hospital, in Stafford Springs, Conn.
Although police called it a "self-inflicted accidental shooting," police and the Hampden district attorney's office were investigating, officials said.
"We are going to review all the circumstance regarding what happened, who was involved, what authorities they may or may not have had, who was supervising," District Attorney William Bennett said Monday.
It is legal for children to fire a weapon if they have permission from a parent or legal guardian and are supervised by a properly certified and licensed instructor, Lt. Hipolito Nunez said.
Those conditions were met in this case, he said. He declined to release the supervisor's name.
The event, run in conjunction with C.O.P Firearms and Training, said in an ad that people are allowed to fire weapons at vehicles, pumpkins and other targets at the event.
The club said it would offer machine gun demonstrations and rentals and free handgun lessons.
"It's all legal & fun — No permits or licenses required!!!!" reads the ad, posted on the club's Web site.
Officials with the private club and the firearms group could not be reached for comment. Messages left on answering machines for the club and the C.O.P. group were not returned Monday.
The sportsman's club was founded in 1949 and describes itself on its Web site as promoting "the interest of legal sport with rod, gun, and bow and arrow, both directly and through training."
It has eight firing ranges as well as archery and fishing facilities located on 375 acres in Westfield, about 100 miles west of Boston.
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On the Web:
Westfield Club: http://www.westfieldsportsman.com
An unfortunate accident.
But not enough reason for me to take the ability to hunt and defend your family away from everyone
Sorry
funny though how no one ever posts stories about when producing a gun has saved someone... and despite what you think it happens A LOT
Oh my goodness. Poor child and family. :eek: :eek:
So far this weekend we have another shooting on a college campus -- two dead one wounded -- this domestic shooting of a woman, her son and grandson...and this poor boy shot accidently while under adult supervision at a gun show. I also see in this thread the admission from a gun enthusiast that she practices gun safety "90% of the time."
Sparky you say it happens alot that people are saved by someone "producing a gun." Could you give us a couple of examples?
Weren't you concerned about a bank robbery with a shooting last week? Was anyone saved there by "producing a gun?"
Try FBI crime stats, John Lott, ad nauseum.
ES, this has been brought up before, you never choose to believe the stats, why even bother posting?
Perhaps for the same reason you need to attack me every time I do post?
Would those be the same stats you promised about the economic makeup of the military but never delivered?
Attack?
No, Sara, I haven't attacked you.
I can flame, as well as anyone, but I haven't done it here, as I respect most of the posters on the website, and if I had the Mod would hammer me quicker than anyone on the board.
The Lott and FBI crime stats have been discussed and posted before, and you choose not to believe them, as you do with any stats that don't conform to your view of the world, regardless of the source.
The military stats were an issue we were discussing in PM a couple of weeks ago, frankly, I forgot about it. Try Army Times, they normally do an annual survey and publish it.
How many people die in B&A accidents? Drown while fishing?
The accident was unfortunate-why was an 8 year old allowed to shoot a
SMG anyway?
I started with small caliber, long rifles, probably would or could have shot myself in the foot-but letting a child shoot something that uncontrolable is the fault of the father.
I hope the laws change to allow children to learn gun safety, but with smaller caliber, long guns, not the 'cool guns' they see used on TV or in the media.
I have never seen any statistics posted here on the use of guns to prevent crimes. Sorry. I just haven't. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I have seen statistics on the higher risk to those who live in homes with guns than homes without guns. As well as other anti-gun stats. I suspect you would have the same reaction to me saying such stats exist as I have to your statement about stats I truthful do not ever recall seeing. Probably the first thing you would do is question the source of the statistics. Then you would go into a long winded explanation of why they are all wrong and only yours are right.
Then you would call me a barnyard animal.
You are at least consistent in your behavior!
And a question LH...when was the last time you agreed with statistics that did not support with your political position?
Was there ice involved?
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
I was mostly worried about the high speed CHASE lol... and thanked GOD my husband wasn't on the road during that time. The robbers did not kill anyone (although they very well could have with the high speed chase)... the "shooting" you speak of were the State Troopers taking out one of the robbers that pointed a gun at them... so yeah I guess you could say the troopers lives were saved by producing their guns and taking that b@stard out.
Luckily our Governor just passed down harsher punishments for criminals who commit violent gun crimes... LIFE... NO parole... possibly death pentaly. About time someone started blaming the CRIMINALS instead of the law abiding citizens that are just trying to protect themselves
I can think of examples in my own life where people I know have saved themselves by producing a weapon.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38726
http://www.sptimes.com/News/081501/T...ullets_h.shtml
http://www.sptimes.com/News/080901/T...r_shot_d.shtml
I'm also trying to find a good NEWS link that does take you to a bunch of other links to read the story... I do have a link for a first hand account from the family but I'm sure that own't mean much to you....
here it is anyway...
http://www.savedbyagun.com/our_story.html
this family had been stalked for years by this man and he went on a rampage and the police suspected he MIGHT be coming and notified the family but no other help was offered. Sure enough the stalker came to their home with a bullet proof vest on to "settle his score". the husband had prepared for the worst and had his weapon just in case. Their stalker came in shooting and and the husband shot back and wounded him which then made the stalker run away... he was later captured a couple miles away and taken to jail.
Now... I know what you are going to say "If it weren't for guns none of these would have happened" but that's not entirely true... if it weren't for CRIMINALS none of these stories would have happened.
As a law abiding citizen I will not have the right to protect my daughter taken away because of CRIMINALS or stupid people. YOu don't have to like it but you sure aren't going to change my mind about it.
No, there wasn't ice involved, and I've never accused you of being a barnyard animal.
Nice attempt to smear, ES, but it just isn't going to work. The Lott studies and FBI stats (raw statistical data from the FBI, not massaged by someone) have been discussed, you poo-poo'd the data.
Nice try LH...look it up in your dictionary. Biddy is a barnyard animal.
And I am still waiting for your high moral indignation at the denigation of a candidate's speech pattern. Being as how you take great offense at discussion of non-issue -- personal type stuff.
Yeah...right.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
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* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times. (16b)
* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim." (16c)
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%. (1)
Oh good lord... now this is just getting ridiculous.
Why don't you just go meet at the monkey bars after school (no teachers) and settle this schoolyard nonsense like most kids.
and lets get back to the debate.
Give it up, Sara. You're flailing and failing.
There hasn't been a discussion in here involving firearms and gun control which you haven't inserted yourself into, and you remember remarks made by people months, sometimes years after the fact, yet you can't remember something as central to the discussion as FBI raw statistical data and the Lott studies.
As to Biddy, the colloquial definition is:
biddy
Noun
pl -dies Informal a woman, esp. an old gossipy one
which is the definition I was clearly using in the earlier discussion.
Sorry Joe. I think that is passive -aggressive behavior you are exhibiting!
Telling me I am failing and flailing because you don't want to answer a question!
Okee dokee!
Sparky is playing nice. Why can't you?
What question would that be, Sara?
Male-en The male form of a biddy.:confused::eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
bid·dy 1 (bd)
n. pl. bid·dies
A hen; a fowl
A hen...is a barnyard animal.
When tossing insults at people it is best to know what they mean.
When I was in college there was a term I thought meant "jerk." I used it at dinner with the parents of the guy I was dating.
When he walked me back to my dorm he asked me to bring down my dictionary. I did and he showed me the dictionary definition of the term I used.
That was the end of that relationship!
Noun 1. biddy - adult female chicken
Well... I've been called a lot worse than a HEN in my lifetime. that's pretty low on my "offensive" list :)
I don't care who is to blame, so can this immature argument just stop (for all parties involved). This was a decent thread up until the last 1+ page where it is now about people fighting with each other.
1 thing I have learned is to ignore people I think are ignorant of facts, IMO. I ignore them, then they have no fuel to feed off of, so nothing really gets started... Thats 1 reason I stay out of the Seal Hunt threads, as so many people are ignorant & refuse to acknowldge that many of the seal hunters are actually breaking the laws.. & that Peta is good for making their own videos of themselve breaking the Seal Hunting laws... but I'll stop there... (please don't cont'd the seal hunt thing, it was purely an example of ignorance, IMO)
So lets all grow up & get back to having a decent chat about guns & ignore people who we don't get a long with (why you haven't blocked the other is beyond me) so things can remain civil... No matter if you are for or against guns.. but you need to present good reason & evidence for both sides...
So lets all ignore that fight & cont'd the FRIENDLY debate after this post please :)
Gee, Sara,I pulled my definition out of a dictionary, too!
Whichever one is correct?
Again, Sara, have you looked at the Lott studies? FBI statistical data?
Or are you going to just pretend that what I stated is incorrect?
Care to get back on track, or are you just going to admit that you're wrong?
I am at work. I don't really think it is a good idea for me to do a search on the Lott studies. Or the FBI stats.
I have no idea what you think I am wrong about this time.
Your constant need to atack me is wearing me down. Is that what you want me to admit?
Okay...you win. I have more important things to do.
Again, I have no need to constantly attack you. I'm not attacking, I'm asking you why you continue to ask for data, when you're just going to ignore the data. If that's an attack, I must misunderstand the word.
I'm asking why you feel the persistent need to insult people you disagree with when you can't win the argument with facts.
I'm asking you why you consistently drag unrelated discussions into other threads. Senator Obama was mentioned nowhere in this thread, and the biddy comment was also in another thread. Neither comment has anything to do with the discussion at hand.
The previous firearms threads I mentioned are entirely germane to this discussion, and you have consistently argued against the second amendment. There are several threads where FBI crime data, the Lott study, and other data showing gun posession actually lowering crime rates were brought in, and you ignored the data, and insulted the people who posted the data. You forget those rather heated discussions, but manage to remember other things quite well.
Can the act, ES, it's really getting old. (Now THAT you can consider a personal attack. If I'm going to get accused of it, I may as well do it.)
Actually... I am interested in seeing the data. I haven't ever seen it before (at least... not that I recall) and I am apparently google impaired lol Would you be able to post it or send me the links so I can see it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Whatever LH ...whatever. You are a bully. You bully anyone who disagrees with you. And I seem to be an especial target of yours. I have my beliefs as to why but will just leave it at that.
I told you. You win. Okay.
LOLOLOLOL,
Sara,
Prove to me where I called you a hen-or that anyone else did for that matter.
And I will apologize for making you feel smaller that you think you are.
We tried this once before and you could not even come close to proving your case. You do pick arguements, then try to claim that someone insults you by calling you a name, you bait people then pull the, "Look what they are doing!"
card outta the deck.
I am calling you out on this one. Prove it and I'll give you an apology on PT for everyone to see. Before, it was amazing to see you working yourself up into lather, now it's just a Lawrence Welk extravaganza.
Now, check into the vaults and bring it. Otherwise, don't bother me, I am going home to roost.
Love,
The unhappy hypocrite.:D