Er, right, because that's not a biased source. Neither is Rumsfeld, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Logan
According to statements from President Bush, himself, this not true.
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Er, right, because that's not a biased source. Neither is Rumsfeld, right?Quote:
Originally posted by Logan
According to statements from President Bush, himself, this not true.
No, it's not true.Quote:
Originally posted by BCBlondie
I heard that if Bush wins, he will probably sign a draft for Iraq. People 18+ (was it 18 - 26 or something?) will have to go to war, regardless of gender, if your name is picked from the lottery thing they do to choose people.
Is that true?
Please see my new thread in the Dog House.
http://www.petoftheday.com/talk/show...threadid=60503
And by the way, it was the DEMOCRATS that introduced this legislation, not the Bush Administration.
It's funny that the only time they met was at breakfast & a swearing in function. Looks like they would have run into each other on the Senate floor at some point . . . oh yeah, I keep forgetting, Edwards hasn't been on the Senate floor in awhile. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by lizzielou742
I thought it was interesting how Cheney said he and Edwards had never met before. Interesting, seeing as how they hosted a National Prayer Breakfast together on February 21, 2001. LIAR.
Attached is a picture of them together.
I think Cheney was trying to make a point . . . or at least that's how I saw it.
I just answered her question, Lizzielou, I wasn't trying to get into a political argument with you.Quote:
Originally posted by lizzielou742
Er, right, because that's not a biased source. Neither is Rumsfeld, right?
I also think there is a lot of bias on both sides of this race and things get slanted the way that the politicians want them to, which isn't always accurate. Heck, we see the same slant from both sides, right here on Pet Talk!
And exactly what source ISN'T biased in this great country of ours?Quote:
Originally posted by lizzielou742
Er, right, because that's not a biased source. Neither is Rumsfeld, right?
Reuters news is reporting that since Dick Cheney was spotted at the debates this week we are in for 11 more weeks of autumn.
Whether or not he saw his shadow is part of a Senate investigation.
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Hahaha lol!! :DQuote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
Reuters news is reporting that since Dick Cheney was spotted at the debates this week we are in for 11 more weeks of autumn.
Whether or not he saw his shadow is part of a Senate investigation.
:confused:
Thank you Richard for keeping it lite! :D
I often get my news from the Daily Show. It is kind of like getting news from Richard :D. And while they are biased, at least they don't pretend not to be :p.
Disclaimer: This post was made in a lighthearted manner. I refuse to get involved in a serious political discussion without being face to face ;)
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Originally posted by K9soul
Disclaimer: This post was made in a lighthearted manner. I refuse to get involved in a serious political discussion without being face to face ;)
I think you meant to say,
My name is K9soul, And I approve of this message!
:D
Looking forward to the debates tonight :D Everyone watch!
Thanks for letting me know! I didn't know when the next one was happening.
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Originally posted by aly
Looking forward to the debates tonight :D Everyone watch!
I can't wait. Been looking forward to this all day today.:)
5 more minutes.....
Well, Bush was a little more together this one, but, still seemed very nervous and defensive. Kerry tried to be "one of the guys" and didn't do it very well. He's just not a "one of the guys" type guy! lol
I am SOOOOOO tired of hearing about Iraq and all they are doing is talking in circles about it. I just wish they would have told the people to stick to domestic issues.
Patocki says Bush won this one. I'm not sure. I think it was closer to a draw, if not leaning a little toward Kerry. Kerry is just a better speaker and knows what he needs to say.
I actually watched the whole debate tonight.
I felt the questions from the audience made it
more interesting. It irratated me a little when
a couple of questions were not answered clearly.
(I could not sit through all of the first debate)
I do believe P. Bush did better this time around, but
I agree, Kerry is a much more comfortable speaker in my opinion.
Bush needs some serious anger management. I thought he was going to attack the moderator. If you watched CSPAN you could see his facial ticks.
Not a good look.
Kerry was clear, concise and countered Bush every time.
The debates are good I guess for those who are undecided. Frankly I can't understand anyone who hasn't made up their mind at this point. I do hope that any undecided people are listening for content. These are two very different men with two very different agendas. A debate format at least gives them an opportunity to get their message across much more effectively than some of the commercials that we are subjected to day in and day out.
I'm tired of all the debating, as well. My mind was made up long ago, as I'm sure many others were. Bush did seem angry and defensive. I'm so sick of hearing WMD!! All this has been done to death. I'll be so glad when the elections are done.
There's still one more debate to go too.
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Originally posted by Pam
A debate format at least gives them an opportunity to get their message across much more effectively than some of the commercials that we are subjected to day in and day out.
Move to a "non-battleground state" like Massachusetts. We rarely see any presidential race commercials at all!
We do watch CSPAN for debates. It's a great plain - no commentator babble - format. When the debate is over, you don't get spin doctors jumping in instantaneously, you see the people milling around, the candidates shaking hands, people posing for pictures with the candidates and/or their wives ... and if you WANT to be told what to think, you can change the channel.
Wow, I guess I just figured it was this bad everywhere. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard "I'm *blah blah* and I approve this message" . . . it really wears me out!Quote:
Originally posted by Karen
Move to a "non-battleground state" like Massachusetts. We rarely see any presidential race commercials at all!
I think I've seen maybe 5 presidential campaign ads. I have seen more of our gubanatorial (sp?) ads.
We, too, are in a nonbattleground state. IN hasn't sent its electoral vote to a Democrat in modern history! lol We're the 2nd most conservative state in the Union behind Kansas.
I really liked the last question in the debate about naming 3 mistakes. Too bad Bush danced around that answer though. That is one question I would have liked to heard a plain and simple, honest answer. I know that won't happen in politics but I'll keep dreaming.
I couldn't BELIEVE Bush's little outburst when he wouldn't listen to the moderator :o :o
posted by aly: I really liked the last question in the debate about naming 3 mistakes. Too bad Bush danced around that answer though. >>>>>>>>>
That irratated me. Danced around?
He never answered it, or maybe
he thinks he never has made any mistakes just unpopular
decisions?
i'm not the smartest person about politics, but i do know Kerry is a flip flop, and that he doesn't have any points. if Bush hadn't gone into war, we would be in bad shape, and we have no choice but to go into war. it was also Bush who has us safe from Saddam, and i trust Bush to keep us safe.
Next debate- don't watch the television. Listen to it on the radio. Are facial expressions really what we should be voting for?
If I were old enough- Bush would get my vote. I don't trust Kerry, plain and simple. It's my opinion, so blast me for it. Please.
I can assure you I am not voting on facial expressions. There are a few key issues that are extremely important to me personally and I am basing a lot of my decision on those issues. Kerry happens to support these issues while Bush does not. I am also basing my vote on the fact that I think Bush messed up time and time again and I think it is time to give someone else a try.
I was all for giving Bush more chances, but I'm tired of it now. I voted for him in the last election and regret it.
An interesting point..........and so true,
Face it: Every politician flip-flops
By Daniel Schorr
WASHINGTON – In leaving for my vacation, I left my flip-flop indicator behind. Truth to tell, I've become a little weary of the flip-flop accusation, which is the political form of "Gotcha." And just about as meaningful.
Sen. John Kerry, before he was a presidential candidate, voted with almost everybody in Congress to authorize President Bush's use of force in Iraq. One could hardly do otherwise when the president said he had information about an imminent threat.
I'm reminded of 1964, when only two Democratic senators - Ernest Gruening of Alaska and Wayne Morse of Oregon - voted against the Tonkin Gulf resolution, which took America into the Vietnam War. And they were called traitors by many at the time.
Mr. Bush accuses Senator Kerry of flip-flopping when he voted against the funding bill for the war that he voted to authorize. Sure, but how about Bush's nation-building in Afghanistan and Iraq, having campaigned against nation-building? Or praising the report of the 9/11 commission, whose formation he opposed? Or negotiating with North Korea, which he promised not to do?
Let's face it: Every politician at one time or another will have to change his announced position to meet a changed situation. My favorite flip-flopper was Franklin Roosevelt, who campaigned for a balanced budget, then launched a series of budget-busting New Deal programs, trying to spend his way out of the Great Depression. Full disclosure: I benefited from one program, the National Youth Administration, which helped me through college with 50 cents an hour for sorting library slips.
The answer to the flip-flop accusation: Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. Show me a politician who has stuck to his position through thick and thin, and I will show you a politician who cannot be trusted to represent our interests in a changing world.
• Daniel Schorr is the senior news analyst at National Public Radio
That's a good article Liz. I usually don't listen too much to what NPR has to say, any more than I do the Wall Street Journal or other WAY right publications or radio (like O'Reilly...contrary to what some seem to think) or TV, but, his points are valid. I don't care what political party you belong to or what leanings you have,if you use your mind and think, there will always be things on which you will change your mind.
I just know that I am WAY sick of hearing the term "flip flop" from both sides!!
Oh my gosh. Me too! We have them back to back. Thank goodness for the MUTE button! :)Quote:
Originally posted by christa
Wow, I guess I just figured it was this bad everywhere. I wish I had a dollar for every time I have heard "I'm *blah blah* and I approve this message" . . . it really wears me out!
In regard to Bush's three mistakes, he did say he made some appointments that he shouldn't have but didn't want to divulge the names and embarrass anyone.
Do the names Rumsfeld and Ashcroft work for anyone? lol
But Pam, that was only 1 mistake!! hehehe (I'm just teasing you)
No problem Molly. You know I respect your opinions even though I may disagree with them sometimes. :) By the way, my brother is voting Libertarian, so there will be at least two for them to count. LOL!Quote:
Originally posted by mugsy
Do the names Rumsfeld and Ashcroft work for anyone? lol
But Pam, that was only 1 mistake!! hehehe (I'm just teasing you)
Well, at least it's nice to know that there will be at least 2 of us!! lol
You know I respect your opinion as well....that's why I knew I could tease you a bit.
When I heard that, I thought "Oh, how slick. He just decided to use an excuse no one would "call" him on." Slick Willie's got nothin' on him. I mean really - he couldn't think of one thing he could admit to?
i understand all of your guys points, but i would never vote for Kerry. He doesn't have any good points, and he is a TOTAL flip flop. i feel safe with Bush as president. people say we shouldn't have the war. we have no choice. Terrorists aren't going to stop, and they aren't going to talk, like Kerry wanted. The war is the best bet for us. i trust Bush to help America and keep it safe.
Bush saying he appointed some of the wrong people was a cop out in my opinion. I wish he would have taken one ounce of blame for something instead of saying he appointed some people who were the ones who made the mistakes.
Just my opinion.
he has blamed himself for many things, and yes, he has done some, wrong things, but he is a better president than Kerry ever will be, because Kerry will never balme himself, and I just can't trust what Kerry will do if he is president.
The question about mistakes should have never been allowed in the debate. No matter how the President answered, he would be wrong. It is a classic ambush question, to which there is no answer that would satisfy the other side. The moderator should have thrown that question out.
Are you kidding me? We're not allowed to ask this president if he made mistakes?
Can I ask what's so special about W that he commands all of these new presidential rules and people just blindly agree with them? I can't imagine anyone being horrified if Clinton had been asked that question.