A Fund For Jessica

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Originally posted by moosmom

Certainly such a tragedy would have been on the news or in the newspaper SOMEWHERE.

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I just want to mention that since this happened over a weekend, it may not appear in the obits in the newspapers until this week. I she lives in a small town, it may not make tv news and if the paper is small, it may not be on the Internet. I have had first hand experience on small towns and funerals.
I can understand your cauction though. I guess we just need to wait and keep checking sources.

I misunderstood :o

Ramanth, she was talking about another person :) She was just using it as an example. :)

Just to let everyone know, I just did a search and Jessica lived in Massatchussets (sp???). I know that some people were wondering and asking... I got more than one PM concering her whereabouts. :)

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Originally posted by wolfsoul
Ramanth, she was talking about another person :) She was just using it as an example. :)

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Okey dokey. :) ahhhh.. I see now... tiel didn't stand out..... My appologies then.

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Even local news have websites and websites archive news stories. Especially stories like this. [/B]

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Not necessarily. I live in a small Kansas town and our newspaper is not on line and we have no tv coverage unless a station from 30 miles away comes. We didn't even have local Internet access until about a year and half ago. I've heard Jess lives in Missouri. If it's a small town, it's paper may not be on line. Even the local paper may not mention it until this week because the Saturday and Monday issues are ready to print by Friday (or at least ours are).
Please note: the Missouri information may not be correct, see the above post by Wolfsoul, but the small town stuff could stil apply.

Jessica's mother does not have to prove anything to me. Who
stands to benefit from this fund? The birds at Best Friends.
I'll leave this up to Zippy Kat to let us know when & where to send our donation.

lizbud, it's not the money I'm worried about, it's people's emotions. Like I said before, I have seen some pretty low down people pull sympathy scams before, and the end result is not pretty. I'm NOT saying that's what is going on in this case, but you need to understand why some of us might want some proof before we grieve too hard.

Just PM'ing Karen an address, or even calling her (I saw Karen posted her home phone number for Jessica's mother to call) would be good. No need to post personal info here on the board.

As of June 17th - she indicated that she lived in Missouri - in her own post.

Did she move to Mass. in the last month?

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Can you link the post please?

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I don't have the link but I know the post she's talking about. POTD Mr. Slim (6-17-03) is from New London, MO. In his POTD thread, Jessica stated he lived down the street from her.

here's the thread
http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthre...highlight=slim

and here's Mr. Slim
http://petoftheday.com/archive/2003/June/17.html


and, here's an address and phone number to a newspaper in that town--maybe that will help

HERALD ENTERPRISE
308 MAIN ST
NEW LONDON, MO 63459-9603
Phone: (573) 985-5531

I feel it important to point out that--Mr. Slim *could* reside in/around Boston; that could be a former address.

I will still make a donation to Best Friends, as the animals are the benefactors.

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Originally posted by boscibo
lizbud, it's not the money I'm worried about, it's people's emotions. Like I said before, I have seen some pretty low down people pull sympathy scams before, and the end result is not pretty. I'm NOT saying that's what is going on in this case, but you need to understand why some of us might want some proof before we grieve too hard.

Just PM'ing Karen an address, or even calling her (I saw Karen posted her home phone number for Jessica's mother to call) would be good. No need to post personal info here on the board.

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boscibo,

Before you grieve to hard ? What the heck does that mean ?
Are you able to hold back your tears until you see the child's
body? When my Mother suffered the sudden loss of my younger brother she was completely devestated. Even family could not
comfort her. She cried & morned deeply for months afterward.
As to the money issue. I've learned over the years that whenever someone says "It's not the money".....You can bet the
farm.....it's the money. Whether one believes or does not
believe what we've been told about Jessica does not matter to
me. I'm not planning on getting a 2nd morgage, I'm making a
contribution to a good cause in the name of a sweet child.

Boston, Missouri, it doesn't matter.

I will still be making a donation as well, for the animals.

I never said I want to see a body, all I would like (as others here do) is some proof this incident really happened. I learned a long time ago not to believe everything that gets posted to the Internet. People here are really hurting, and I have seen message boards get torn up from stuff like this before. People can and do lie on the Internet, happens all the time.


What set off a red flag for me was Jessica's mother types suspiciouly like Jessica - lots of excessive smilies (amazing for someone who wasn't even sure how to post to a message board, per her first post about the accident), not capitalizing her "i's", etc.

I am truly not a cold hearted person, I have suffered great losses myself. But I'd hate to see you all getting your chains yanked and hurting so much if it isn't true. It's won't be the first time it's happened, and certainly not the last.

Here she says she's from Mass,. as well as here :confused:

I wish I could donate, but my mom said no :(

Maybe some of us are HOPING that it IS a hoax and that little girl is just mischievious, not gone. I would rather have her alive, no matter what.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Well said. Zippy, I believe you may be right.

You guys, can we please stop playing dectective?:rolleyes: Can you imagine how hurt Jessica's mom will feel if she comes and reads these posts, suspecting this as a scam?

Such incidents do not always appear on the news especially if it happened in a small town, AND the name of the victim is only named if the family allow it. News reports like these often say the family prefered that her name not be disclosed. So...........if you are searching for Jessica, and even if she was in the news but not with her name, you are NOT going to find anything.

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Honey, you don't know which side of the fence I stand on... *I'm* not sure which side of the fence I stand on.

Yes, I realize Jessica's mother might be hurt by these comments...surely, she recognizes the dangers of the internet as Jessica had to obtain permission to remain on pet talk. That being said, she would understand our concern as to whether or not this is a hoax.

I think you are very wrong, in stating that this incident would not be on the news. If this was a hit and run, vehicular homicide/manslaughter... the media would have a field day. Esp. since there is a child involved.

I stand by my decision to donate to this cause.

I really hope Jessica's mom will still stay on the board after all what some of you have said. If I were her, I wouldn't. I can't even imagine how hurt she would feel coming to this.
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I agree PCB!!! Personally I think this thread should be deleted. When someone gets an address to send the donations to, start another thread.

I totally understand why some of you would be skeptical but what could Jessica possibly get out of faking her own death?? She can't stay off PT forever and she would have to come back at some point, wouldn't she?? I've spent a good part of the day going over her posts and I really don't think she would be the type to "play with other people's emotions"...it's just a gut feeling.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by popcornbird
[B]I'm sorry but I disagree. First of all, I just went back to Jessica's mom's thread and the I's are all capitalized. 2nd, the tone, style of talking, in my honest opinion, has no comparison to that of Jessica's. Jessica would never capitalize her words at the beginning of a sentence. Her mother did. The *style* in my opinion is not the same either, and seriously, if this happened to you, wouldn't you use all the sad/crying smilies possible?

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Yes, this is Jessica's Mother. You are so sweet, all of you. Thank you So much... I cant even breathe right now.... and my eyes are blurry from crying. I cant write anymore......


But i have to let you know that I never understood why this place ment so much to her... and now that I see you all like this it amazes me how much you care about her. So even if i dont post for a while, i will be coming back. although under a new user name. thank you again......

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This is Jessica's Mother's reply on this thread..............not every "i" is capitalized.....................
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I have to agree that the posts look suspicious and the overuse of emoticons is a bit out of place. I'm sorry, but the posts seem juvenile in nature.
Certainly this is offensive and I sound cruel, but I think it is naive to believe things like this at face value on the internet. None of us knows Jessica, clearly we don't even know where she lives or lived.
I also hope this is a cruel hoax and this very young girl is just over her head in a mischievious trick.
In case it is not a hoax, I will pray for her family and hope they find peace with one another. As for the rest of us, the truth will eventually come out, I'm sure.

I don't believe that Jessica would do something like this.

However, I remember when her family was reluctant to let her on PT and other forums. We can't rule out the possibility that this is being forced.

Slick, I understand your concern (thread being deleted) wholeheartedly and have thought of doing so. However, I do remember Jess having to get permission to remain on PT. Thus, I say again:

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Originally posted by zippy-kat
Yes, I realize Jessica's mother might be hurt by these comments...surely, she recognizes the dangers of the internet as Jessica had to obtain permission to remain on pet talk. That being said, she would understand our concern as to whether or not this is a hoax.

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I am truly thankful for Donna addressing her concerns in public; she voiced what some were afraid to say. I had hoped though, that people would -for the sake of the mother- email me to avoid the riff-raff/hurt feelings. However, they have the freedom to do as they will and, as creator of the thread, I choose not to delete it. If Karen would like to lock and/or delete it, I have no problems with that.

In Jessica's defense, she did not seem the type to cause this trouble. I hope, for all involved, that it *IS* a hoax.

EDIT: As for the style of typing... at first reading, i DID think it was a 'childish'. However, I understand that grief causes one to "step outside one's self" by acting differently. I've been there...

I don't know WHO would be in their right frame of mind to worry about spelling/grammar. Very trivial in the scheme of things.

The posts do look similar, I don't think Jessica would do something like this. I *hope* it is a hoax...because then Jessica would still be alive...but if its not..then im so sorry it happened and I pray for Jessicas family.

"Jessica" herself does not even have to be a child. "she" could be a grown man taking the time necessary to build us all up for this very moment of let down. Is there any way for us as a community to just DROP this subject and move on? We can then choose to grieve in the privacy of our own homes or we can choose to let it go. If we want to donate to a worthy cause, DO IT! If not, that is a valid choice.
I, myself, will not be reading any more tales of Jessica. And my point of view will remain my own.
Thank you for listening.

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Originally posted by jenluckenbach
"Jessica" herself does not even have to be a child. "she" could be a grown man taking the time necessary to build us all up for this very moment of let down. Is there any way for us as a community to just DROP this subject and move on? We can then choose to grieve in the privacy of our own homes or we can choose to let it go. If we want to donate to a worthy cause, DO IT! If not, that is a valid choice.
I, myself, will not be reading any more tales of Jessica. And my point of view will remain my own.
Thank you for listening.

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Although I don't believe that about Jessica, that is a very valid point.

There was something on the news just a while ago --- an 18 year old woman from Englad and a 30 year old man from California decide to meet in Paris. When the guy gets there....He finds out that the girl is 12!! :eek:

Not at all relating that to this situation, just saying, don't always believe everything from the internet.

I believe that Jessica really did pass :( But there are still some things that we don't know. Might never know. It is so easy to dismiss things prematurly on the internet. :(

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Originally posted by popcornbird
THAT I TRUELY doubt. EVEN if this is a hoax, in my opinion, there is no way Jessica could be a man. With all the contests she held, her intense love for birds, how talked of Tiki, etc. that girl was no man. I know we can't be certain, but no way. I truely truely cannot find myself believing that. Poor Jessica. :( If what her mother said was really true, than poor poor Jessica and her family. :(:( Can't imagine how they will feel after reading this. :(:(

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It wasn't to be taken literally....

I must admit that I have been having the same doubts as some of the others here.

I find what Moosmom said about "the fact that if it were MY daughter that was killed in a tragic accident, the LAST place I'd be in is on a website posting in threads. I'd be with my family grieving for my daughter. " That was one of the very first things that crossed my mind.

I'm not saying that it isn't true, just that I'm not convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt. I personally think that sometimes teenagers and young people (especially) tend to feel a little insecure and need to know how much other people appreciate them & what they have to say, and thus use attention getting threads.

And if it is true, then I truly am sorry for her family and loved ones left behind. Losing a family member is very hard and not anything to make light of. My heart aches for anyone who has lost a young daughter.

Hoax or not, I would still donate for the animals.

But what I don't agree with is making changes to Pet Talk in honor of Jess if we don't have proof 100%. Forced or not, what a way to get the attention you wanted by having something dedicated to you. But that's Karen and Paul's decision and I back them with whatever they decide.

Yes, Jess wasn't a troublemaker... she could of been not who she seemed..... there are just too many scenarios.... :confused: :(

I’ve not posted very much on this subject simply because I was suspicious at the first post. I’m 35 years old. Old enough to be Jessica’s mother and I can tell you if I were in Mary’s shoes the last place I would have been on Friday morning when I went home to change clothes was here, telling strangers (to me, Mary) that my little girl was in critical condition in the hospital. I know everyone is different, but I personally just found it unusual.
I searched all weekend and yesterday through the Massachusetts death notices and will now search through the Missouri notices if they’re available.
I will still make a donation, though.

From the start I wondered how/why a mother who's child was just hit by a car and lying in the hospital would rush home and hop online to a message board that her child frequented to talk. I'm sorry, but I don't buy it! I think someone has seen how generous we Pet Talkers can be when one of us is in need ... and is trying to take advantage!

:(

The only thing i can guess, is if she (the mother) was desperate for prayers and felt like she could get a lot of them from this board...and so she stopped by to let us know out of desperation.

I dont know, but either way, i hope it is a hoax...b/c then a little child would still be alive.

(((HUGS)))) Mary.

Robyn

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Me confused....................

starting to doubt the situation as well. :confused:

I'm not doubting Jessica. I don't think she was that type of girl. What I'm thinking is maybe, *if* it is a scam, maybe this is her family's way to get her off the forum, since they didn't want her here before. :confused:

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PCB, if this is some sort of hoax, I'm truly sorry for you. You'll be the one most hurt by this, but I will be glad if Jessica's ok.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Me confused....................

starting to doubt the situation as well. :confused:

I'm not doubting Jessica. I don't think she was that type of girl. What I'm thinking is maybe, *if* it is a scam, maybe this is her family's way to get her off the forum, since they didn't want her here before. :confused:

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PCB, I know you are upset by all this and I feel for you probably more than anyone. But, I think that you know that NO FAMILY outside of the Jerry Springer set would EVER even joke that their child was dead. No matter the situation. If they wanted her offline, they'd take her computer. They wouldn't fake her death.

Alas, if this is an experiment gone out of control, I think it is this girl's own doing, not her parent's or anyone else. If I am right, I don't think she expected things to escalate and people to be genuinly hurt. So I don't think it was malicious at all.

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Originally posted by popcornbird
Me confused....................

starting to doubt the situation as well. :confused:

I'm not doubting Jessica. I don't think she was that type of girl. What I'm thinking is maybe, *if* it is a scam, maybe this is her family's way to get her off the forum, since they didn't want her here before. :confused:

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I sort of agree. But I don't know :(

Remember last time, they just told her she wasn't allowed and they let her post goodbye? Wouldn't they do it that way again?

I had the thought it might be her brother messing around. She may have been off spending the night at a friend's house while he did it. Then she might have come back and seen the uproar and been too embarrassed to post. But I think she would at least PM PCB. ... so I don't know.

I'm sad and confused. I have been crying for Jessica so much. I am grasping at straws here and trying to find a way it could be a hoax only because then I would feel extremely happy that she is still alive.

Mary - We all care so much for your daughter and your whole family. We are not doubting you, but are exercising caution since this is the internet. We don't want personal information, but perhaps you could call Karen? She's very nice and great to talk to.

I'm really sorry to say I doubted this death from the moment I saw her mother post. I'm sorry but it's true. Too many people I know have been involved in internet scams and I'm really cautious.

I probably will still donate money though not because of Jessica but because I love animals.

~Rachel

omg, I just typed a really long post and it said I was not logged in, and now its gone! ok, I'll start again.

I'll be honest. When Jessica's mom first said that she was in the hospital, I had no doubts about that. Then, when she said that Jessica has gone to heaven, it kind of got me thinking. If someone in my family had died, it would take me weeks to come on here and post about it. I would be too sad to even do anything. (Jessica's mom, sorry if what we're saying is hurting your feelings if we're wrong, and I'm really sorry)
So after about 2 days, I asked my dad if it would be on the news if a girl died from a car accident. He said if only it was really serious. Then I told him everything about how Jessica's mom came on and told us she died. I don't think he believed me. He asked me how Jessica's mom was able to get on her username without the password. But I just think that it automatically logs in when you get on this site with her computer or something like that. Or maybe she knew Jessica's password. My dad also asked me some other questions, but I wasn't really listening because I was kind of mad he didn't believe me at that time.
So I really don't know what to believe now.

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*if* it is a scam, maybe this is her family's way to get her off the forum, since they didn't want her here before.

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That's what I thought at first too. But saying that she died? That would be really mean if it was true to get her off this forum.

*sigh* so I really don't know what to think. I'm really confused. I don't know.

That is why till now, I still believe Jessica has left the world. I wouldn't think any parent would ever fake their child's death to get them off a board. I still think Jessica did suffer from the terrible tragedy. :( Its just that I have questions, as to why its not on the news, etc.

Jessica12345 is currently signed in. Jessica's mom, dad, whoever you are signed in, please, please clear things up for us. We are really grieving for Jess along with you and want to know more details. I really hope you won't be hurt by our discussions. We recognize that you are well aware of internet dangers and its important to always be cautious. We are only being cautious, because we don't know, but if indeed Jessica has left the world and returned to God, I truely apologize and grieve with you for the loss of such a wonderful child. Please, please do us a favor and contact Karen, or just make it clear. Thanks, and I'm truely very sorry if we are wrong to have such concerns. :(

I may be wrong, but this entire thing does sound a bit odd. This would be my last place to visit if my daughter was in the hospital, in critical condition.

There is something strange about not being given an address or name of a funeral home...school fund....charity etc.

If I am wrong, then I am truly sorry.

I think it is a kid's game that got out of hand. Again, if I am wrong, I am truly, truly sorry.

I have no problem with contributing to a fund in Jessica's name, regardless.

There are just too many child-like key strokes to this story.

Sallyanne

Jessica, where ever you are, be safe.

I was thinking the same thing; for instance, my husband visits a forum that specializes in the type of car that he drives...and if something ever happened to him; that would be the LAST place that I would think to tell people. I would be out of mind with other things... logging onto the computer would not have been one of them. The only way that I would figure there would be a need to post here, would be to ask for prayer...where you could recieve vast amounts of it...being that this is worldwide.

Anyway, i too am sorry (and have been ever since i heard about this), if this is indeed true, my prayers have gone out to the family...many times. If it isn't true, then i am thankful that Jessica is okay.

Robyn

I know...no news at all? When someone in my town was killed in a hit and run it was everywhere and whenever something bad happens on that street the incident is brought up again.

If Jessica is indeed gone I am extremely sorry.

~Rachel