Let's start with something easy.
Pie vs cake - which is better? :D
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Let's start with something easy.
Pie vs cake - which is better? :D
PASTRY.
No.......
Cake,
One of those German chocolate effers.
With coconut and nuts on top and glass of cold milk. The milk will make me sick, but where am I going tomorrow?
Just set down some ground rules so she doesnt pull the childish BS her and the rest of the cheerleaders pull when they are backed in a corner and dont have an answer. Of course she wouldnt agree to that so good luck with any sort of Honest Debate with the Cheerleaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
:D
I will happily admit I was wrong if Liz or ES or any of the Cheerleader Honestly takes Puky up on his offer of a debate. Im not going to hold my breath that the Honest debate will happen any more then Barry will focus more on running this country over improving his golf game.
Please don't meddle with my metal/medal. :eek: Blu is part of the grammar patrol. Well, the teacher goes along with the cheerleaders. Rah! Rah!
Well thats the reason you're here Pucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
I'd say the only reason.
Oh good God.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
Are you kidding ???? Has the Cabin Fever gone to your head or is it just in the genes ???
Who in hell would want to listen to Puck go on and on and on about his bloody rights????
Hee hee.....good one Bonny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonny
I guess if someone picks on ya spellin....then it's gotta be all they've got. ;)
blue may have picked on it, but I corrected it. I guess I am something or other by association...:D
I really think the cake and pie debate should be tried...just to practice technique. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate
Debate or debating is a formal method of interactive and representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, which only examines consistency from axiom, and factual argument, which only examines what is or isn't the case or rhetoric which is a technique of persuasion. Though logical consistency, factual accuracy and some degree of emotional appeal to the audience are important elements of the art of persuasion; in debating, one side often prevails over the other side by presenting a superior "context" and/or framework of the issue, which is far more subtle and strategic.
The major goal of the study of debate as a method or art is to develop one's ability to play from either position with equal ease.** To inexperienced debaters, some propositions appear easier to defend or to attack; to experienced debaters, any proposition can be defended or attacked after the same amount of preparation time, usually quite short. Lawyers argue forcefully on behalf of their client, even if the facts appear against them. However one large misconception about debate is that it is all about strong beliefs; it is not.
**Liz, you take Puck's side, and Puck, you take Liz's. :)
Cake... hands down.
and there is no chance of taking the other side on that one. Pie is good... but cake is best :p
Ok there missy - why cake??? And what cake??? Just any old cake, or a specific kind??? And just what specifically makes it better than pie? HUH??? And at Thanksgiving, are you going to bake a cake while most "normal" people bake all those yummy pies?? - apple, pumpkin, mincemeat - just because YOU happen to think cake is better???? Boy - you are so out in left field on this one.....:eek::p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
Thats ok Catty1 (Cathy1) I'll let you get by with it this time;).
Pie's are better then cake because if they don't taste good you can smash them into the face of the person that made them. The lemon meringue & bananna cream pies work best for that. Making pies is a delicate art that crust has to be soft, flakey, & good tasting & then there is the filling not to tart not to sweet just right. Baking them is an art. You have to get that lower crust baked thoroughly & the upper crust has to be a light brown but still remain soft & flakey. The Amish women know how to make a good pie but you have to watch out sometimes you can find a stray hair in them. :D
Definitely pies. In general, I think they are healthier - less sugar, less shortening, and there is definitely an art to making them. Much tastier too.
But what makes a cake a cake, and a pie, a pie??? Boston Creme Pie isn't pie, neither is a Moon Pie. So if a cake (or soft cookie) has a filling, it then becomes a pie??? :confused: What about cheesecake??? - that's not really cake at all - more like a cheese pie! :p
Candace - you started this, so would you like to weigh in on this??? :p Gee - this is off topic too. The OP might not appreciate this debate. :eek:
off topic is GOOD! :p;):D
I would be game if she was also. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
Naturally, arguing for the position you do not hold is often difficult. BUT, also learn things that reinforce the position you hold.
Which, is in part, why I like to post here.
For savory types dishes, pie hands down. Granted, there are not to many applications for a savory cake. LOL
But, I am not a big fan of sweets so I eat them rarely. But when I do, carrot cake is often the medium.
So, I pick cake. Layers are fun. Most pie does not have layers. :cool:
But Boston Creme PIE does, if it's really pie and not cake. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
So why are you avoiding my question - what defines pie or cake???? :D
Hey - don't blame me. This was Catty's idea............:p:D
Listen here lady...Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
first of all cake is better because I can't bake pie lol but I do make a mean cake
Secondly, there are FAR too many pies with fruit in them and as far as I am concerned FRUIT has no place in my desserts lol
and yes I would bake a cake. NORMAL people are boring. I'm eccentric.
and what exactly is mincemeat anyway... doesn't even sound tasty. sounds like a way you would describe road kill
HEY I'm allowed to my have my opinion... cake is better is MY opinion and if you dont' like that then you can suck an egg
:p:D:p
You cake lovers are all the same...no reasoning with you at all!
Its pie all the way...you put enough sugar on fruit it is a wonderful dessert treat! How about chocolate cream pie....yummo!
And puckie doesn't even like dessert...talk about a commie pinko..you know the rest!!!
I'm w/you, girlie; I'd bake a cake for the holidays and, as a matter of fact, I have done that. I buy a pumpkin pie or have someone bring one for those who like it but I don't care for it. "Normal people are boring" made me LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
OMG - you live in Amish country and you don't know what mincemeat is??? Does Puck let you out of the house much??? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks19
Gotta give you credit for the roadkill remark tho. For those strange people that don't know what mincemeat really is, I can see where that might come to mind. :D
Oh - did Puck ever teach you what Google is all about??? :rolleyes::p
Normal = a setting on a washing machine. ;)
Wom, tell ya what. You keep your pom written constitution, we'll keep the one we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
I don't try to tell you how the land down under should do things, and one of the few things that would unite opinion in the US is someone trying to tell us how to run things.
I like our "bloody rights" very much, thank you, and I think we'll keep 'em.
Want to be a subject, not a citizen, have at it.
Who asked you??? :eek::D If you have something meaningful to contribute regarding pies or cakes, then please do. If you think that avoiding the issue at hand is acceptable, then think again. There are already way too many people in the boat of "change the subject". We don't need more........:rolleyes::eek::p;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
OMG - I think the heat has finally gotten to me...........:eek:
Well, let us see here.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Dictionary.com defines the items of contention, thus:
pie1 /paɪ/ Show Spelled[pahy] Show IPA
–noun
1. a baked food having a filling of fruit, meat, pudding, etc., prepared in a pastry-lined pan or dish and often topped with a pastry crust: apple pie; meat pie.
2. a layer cake with a filling of custard, cream jelly, or the like: chocolate cream pie.
3. a total or whole that can be divided: They want a bigger part of the profit pie.
4. an activity or affair: He has his finger in the political pie too.
5. pizza.
cake /keɪk/ Show Spelled [keyk] Show IPA noun, verb, caked, cak·ing.
–noun
1. a sweet, baked, breadlike food, made with or without shortening, and usually containing flour, sugar, baking powder or soda, eggs, and liquid flavoring.
2. a flat, thin mass of bread, esp. unleavened bread.
3. pancake; griddlecake.
4. a shaped or molded mass of other food: a fish cake.
5. a shaped or compressed mass: a cake of soap; a cake of ice.
6. Animal Husbandry . a compacted block of soybeans, cottonseeds, or linseeds from which the oil has been pressed, usually used as a feed or feed supplement for cattle.
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So, indeed we have a conundrum on our hands. The dessert food item, commonly called Boston Cream PIE, could be certainly also be labeled a cake. What to do?
I, not being a SMA (subject matter expert) on cake OR pie would humbly request a recess from the board to allow time for research to be done.
Or, if a recess is not availble, I offer the follow answer.
'Clearly, calling the dessert commonly known as Boston Cream Pie (hereafter BCP), a pie, when it could certianly be called a CAKE, is an attempt by the generally left leaning denziens of the Bay State to confuse the populace into thinking that BCP is a healthy alternative to any cream based cake. My support is that Pie has previously been said to be a 'healthy alternative' to cake.'
I yield the floor back to the lady from Delaware.
I must offer protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by caseysmom
If you please review my comments to the lady from Delaware, you will see that I have offered some reasoning.
And how DARE you insinuate I am a communist sympathizer for my personal expression of a lack of desire to indulge in sweet foods?!?!?! Have I, at any point, attempted to force my point of view on the subject upon any other member of this board?
I think not. :p
Well, as everyone knows, Pi are square.
Every Boston Cream Pie I've ever seen has been round, so by simple logic it CANNOT be a pie.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puckstop31
Well, by definition, a BCP should technically be named Boston Creme Cake. The #2 definition in pie as noted above, is quite a contradiction in itself, don't you agree? How can a cake be a pie, or vise versa???
May I further state, that my previous reference to pie, being "healthier" than cake, was meant to mean the "true" pie, and not any cake that tries to disguise itself as pie. Cake has shortening, eggs, lots of sugars, etc, whereas the real pies such as fruit or mincemeat (please explain mincemeat to wifey!), really are healthier. Would you rather eat fruit or lard??? :eek:
Au contraire! I have baked a Boston Creme Pie/Cake in a square cake pan, so does that make it a cake?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I really think there should be some kind of legislation to rename this dessert, so people know what they are really eating. A pie lover might be appalled to find out he's really been eating cake all along.............:eek::D
Perfect !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
And yer new mosque at Ground Zero will be finished soon....so ya got that going for you all to. ;)
1) It's not "at" ground zero.
2) It's legal, it's within bounds of the zoning for the area, what's the issue?
They'd better hire a damned good security force if and when it actually gets built, but that's on them.
No issue.
If thats what you want....thats what ya get.
I believe the phrase used by those evil white guys who wrote the Constitution was something about "a government of laws, not men"
:eek: Is the Mosque a memorial for the Terrorists that rammed the planes into the World Trade Center? :confused: That is really sick if it is. :mad:
No, Bonny, it is a place of worship. Not all Muslims are terrorists.
If you are a Christian, are you like the abusive Catholic priests or the murdering Crusaders? Of course you aren't. You might even feel some shame at how those two groups represent the Christian faith.
I am sure many Muslim people feel the same shame, and do their best to live as decent human beings.
The building of a Mosque near ground zero can be the beginning of unity, forgiveness and healing, or an opportunity for hate and anger to thrive.
It's up to us.
^ Well said.
At the centre of Islam is peace. Extremism is as akin to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity; both are monstrosities of humanity cowering behind something they see as justification for their evil.
LH,
I think many posts on this thread have been wired to inflame on the basis of (sigh, yet again) different countries. Bravo on your posts, as ever. I believe that when one refuses to get out into the world and explore other ways of doing things, one becomes so cocooned in one's own affairs that it's an easy way out to blame Johnny Foreigner for everything. I think if this board is generally incapable of discussing other nations' ideas, then we must indeed adopt the afore mentioned 'you keep yours, and I'll keep mine' approach.
Zara,
Absolutely!!
Miss Z,
To quote a rather famous Englishman:
There are four and twenty ways
Of constructing tribal lays
And every single one of them is right.
This is where our forefathers come in, freedom of speech & religion. I just find it insulting to build a Mosque. Why not an ecumenical place where everyone can worship together? That would make more sense to me & be able to share their cultures & religion the melting pot of friendship & peace.
Great idea, Bonny - maybe there should be one of those too.
I wonder how many would actually show up? I would hope no one would damage it. There are fundmentalists in all faiths, and unity of faith can be seen as blasphemy.
Seriously, if you can find out who to contact, send them a letter or email! :)
Because it's an Islamic group who bought the property, and they want to build a Mosque.
Is that a wise decision? Personally, no.
However, it's their property, and they can do with it as they see fit.