We could always tap the White House for methane. :p
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We could always tap the White House for methane. :p
I was talking with a geologist friend of mine who has worked in the oil industry for some 30 years. He was detailing how BP was cutting corners before this blowout happened - BP was into profits, and my friend referred to them as "criminals", with a couple of choice adjectives in there.
JMO - the POTUS and his administration does not have the technology to begin to try and deal with this; BP does. It is my understanding that BP answers to the administration as cleanup continues. I know some people are upset that Mr. Obama did not get involved sooner - but I honestly don't see what he could have done onsite that could not be done in the Capitol - being BP's hardline boss in the aftermath of the blowout.
And if BP broke laws doing so, fry em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catty1
What for profit company is NOT "into" profit? I am not saying that greed was not a factor in this mess however.
All of this does not answer the question as to why BP and others are doing these dangerous deep water drills... When resources are available at shallower depths and on land. If greed was the sole motivation, would they not access the resources that are cheaper to get at? I wonder why they won't or CAN'T?
Agreed. The farther he stays from this, the better for everyone.Quote:
JMO - the POTUS and his administration does not have the technology to begin to try and deal with this; BP does. It is my understanding that BP answers to the administration as cleanup continues. I know some people are upset that Mr. Obama did not get involved sooner - but I honestly don't see what he could have done onsite that could not be done in the Capitol - being BP's hardline boss in the aftermath of the blowout.
Just like the hearings and seeing a guy squatting on some beach, playing with tar balls?
I feel my government is doing the best they can, with the TOOLS they have to work with.
Satellites track the oil spill.
http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...-as-it-changes
Now they are going to try and cut the pipe and cap it. Yea, that's a great idea! Make the hole bigger that you can't fit a cap on now. sheesh!!! :rolleyes:
Maybe when the oil get loose in the ocean and starts killing other marine life and gets to other countries, maybe by then they will fix it.
Yup - and don't forget the big bucks that these brilliant engineers are getting as they try to find a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
All this, as people have lost their livelihood because of the money hungry oil company and their shortcuts, and ignoring the warning that a disaster was impending. They had days to shut the operation down before the explosion actually occurred, yet they chose not to. I wonder how they explain that to the families that lost loved ones in the explosion, the fishermen, restaurant owners, hotel and ocean resorts, whole towns losing tourism money because the beaches are closed, people in the cleanup crews getting deathly sick, and of course the damage to wildlife and the eco system, that will be affected for years and years and years to come........:mad:
What happened to the little kid with the finger and the dike?
With the internet they should be able to find him....:confused:
I love this thread.
It's amazing how easy it is to play Monday morning quarterback.
Some things that truly disturb me about this?
Comments from administration officials that "They have their boot on the neck of BP".
Not a comment I want to hear from the government unless they are talking about a foreign adversary. Comments like that should NEVER be made when talking about citizens of the US.
Yep, engineer make too much money. So do accountants, lawyers, doctors, and any other professionals when they're in the spotlight for negative reasons. Want to bet it was an engineer screaming at a beancounter in the background warning them that the fertilizer was about to hit the rotary oscillator?
BTW, Nice touch, Pres. Obama. Truly impressive to skip the ceremonies at Arlington to run home for a quick vacation. The three hours in LA stress you out too much?
That is frightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Another thing that I find "amusing", under the circumstances, is how it has been said (by Pres. O, I believe), that BP will pay back every penny of the cost of cleanup. First of all, who figures up what that dollar figure is? Impossible to do I believe, since this will go on for years. And who really believes that BP will pay it??? They may very well be assessed the charges, but it's going to be John Q Public - you and me - that pays in the form of higher prices at the pump, and anywhere else that their petroleum products are used. BP may not come out of this smelling like a rose, but I doubt that they will suffer much in the end, when all is said and done. :(
And all that will be accomplished by the popular cry to punish the oil companies will be precisely that: Prices will be raised to pay the fines, and then the same populists will be launching a congressional investigation into why prices are so high at the pump.....
Clean up the mess and move on.
Figure out why it happened, and prevent it from happening again.
You can punish a person, but you CANNOT punish a company..........as the costs of the punishment are passed on to everyone else.
If you want to *do something*....
Contact your elected Senators and Reps and let them know that they will be voted out of office if they don't ban off-shore drilling this session, and provide the funding to make environmental laws enforceable.
...assuming you share my politics and absolute horror at this mess. :( Just my $0.02.
Banning offshore drilling?
And you're going to heat your home in Colorado how?
I'm with Puckstop......I could easily survive living a 19th century existence, but I'd prefer not to.
Banning Nukes after TMI got us some REALLY good results..........
And why aren't the oil companies drilling in shallower water, instead of 5000' deep? It has been reported that there are known oil deposits in much shallower water, and an accident such as happened, would obviously be much easier to contain/repair. Of course, I don't know the first thing about oil drilling, but it seems that would make a whole heck of a lot more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Exactly!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I also find it inappropriate that the Pres isn't in DC this weekend! :mad:
You have a wood chopper!:mad:;):pQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I was watching an interview with some kind of hotel owner.
He was all p.o.ed and talking about how the OCs need to pay him b/c the hotel was operating at a 40% decrease in occupancy.
I have been on vacation at the beach and never went near the water.
LOL, I wasn't about to carry a full cooler of beer and food to the beach then lug it back while I was all jacked up, tired, sunburnt and lugging a crotch full of sand in my shorts.
Be creative, discount the rooms, figure out how to make the Spring Break shenanigans family friendly and sell, sell, sell.
Should that greedy -- get an oil company settlement? he'll make money on it. He sure as ---- won't pay the people he layed off and will save on operating costs.
Just like government.
Lining up all the excuses to worry about now and never looking at the problem and how to make the best of a real hard time.
Child please!
Can't use the kid, he can't breathe under water!Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Drilling off shore isn't the problem. Not having an emergency shut off valve is!! :love:
In Europe all well have to be equipped with TWO valve, they are called Blow out Preventers.Quote:
Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces
IT's our own fault.
OSD can be a safe way to get oil out of the ground.
Now, everyone will use this as a deterrent to get our own oil.
It's either Drill or Cut Bait.
I sure as heck do not want to smell like fish all the time?:eek:;)
He's in Chicago, although he went from here to Louisiana to assess the oil spill situation, and then came back. They were seen attending a barbecue at the neighbors' house. When they're home it causes even worse traffic tie-ups because they have to shut down one section of the expressway (which is already under construction) at a time to get him and the First Fam and the dog to and from the airport. It was reported in the Chicago Tribune that Michelle was working in their garden before they headed for the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I heard on the news today that the top kill hasn't worked, so it is likely that nothing further will be effective in containing the spill till at least August when they can drill a second well. :mad:
http://pythonline.com/sites/pythonli..._Ni_Figure.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
Never let a good crisis go to waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Mutant Fish Found at Site of Oil Rig Accident
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t...ish--30924.jpg
I know that he's in Chicago. My point was that he should have been in DC to participate in some of the events going on there, or at least been there for a wreath laying ceremony. There are so many memorials in the DC area that honor the fallen, it's really a shame that our obviously healthy and vigorous president saw fit not to be there at any of them. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by cassiesmom
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Be creative, discount the rooms, figure out how to make the Spring Break shenanigans family friendly and sell, sell, sell.
Lining up all the excuses to worry about now and never looking at the problem and how to make the best of a real hard time.
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Discount the rooms - all well and good - but the folks who are looking for that beach vacation just aren't going to come, if there is no accessible beach to go to.
How about that restaurant owner that specializes in all those wonderful seafood dishes from the Gulf waters harvest. No seafood = no customers.
And the fisherman who make their living on their boats. If the waters are polluted then they can't very well take contaminated fish to market to sell, not to mention the eventual cleanup costs of their oil laden vessels.
How do you tell these folks to just deal with it? :confused:
My thoughts EXACTLY !!!! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by blue
I betcha that's all that will happen. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Unfortunately, you're probably right, if they get that much even. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
I feel so bad for all that have been affected, all because of BP's greed and total disregard for the safety of their workers, and even less when it comes to the damage that they have done to this beautiful area of our country that will suffer for many years to come.
Well....they are up against a big corporation.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Can they get together and go a class action against BP ???
AND in the meantime, he has the leaders of Isriel and Pakastain chillin in DC waiting for him to come home so he can have a meeting with them tomorrow. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
The only people who win in a class action are the lawyers.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
The cost of goods goes up, the lawyers get rich, and everyone else gets screwed.
Stop with the litigation. Hell, why sue a company that so far is paying for their mistake willingly?
Again, the ONLY people who win in a class action are the lawyers.
I'm no lawyer, but I imagine they probably could, but BP's lawyers would have it all tied up in litigation for years. A snowball in Hell would stand a better chance than anyone collecting anything, I would think. Of course, BP could just add that into the higher prices at the pumps, too. :eek::mad: I'm sure there's already a bunch of biggies in a think tank, already trying to figure out how to minimize their expenses and losses, where they should be seeking out some brainiacs to come up with a surefire way to stop the leak.Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
You would think even though it is a mile down they could run a huge long plastic pipe down to the leakage site & have pumps to pump the stuff up & out of the water. I don't think the little Dutch Boy can swim & hold his breath that long.
Hurricane season starts tomorrow and that could really complicate
an already bad situation. All this misery to save a few bucks by BP.:rolleyes:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37177833/ns/weather/
Interesting article, but so many "if's"...............:(Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
It's poured down rain for most of the day, so they weren't even able to hold the memorial service this morning down at Lincoln Cemetery. The President returned to Chicago by helicopter (thank goodness - no traffic snarls if he goes up and over it) because the First Fam is scheduled to fly back to Washington this afternoon. On the noon news they said the service will still be held today if the weather breaks.
One more question about the oil. If they can sand bag river banks to keep water from overflowing, would it be possible to somehow sand bag the shores to keep the oil from getting up onto the beach? I saw on the news that they were trying to capture some of the birds and release them into oil-free water in Florida.
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Originally Posted by pomtzu
This whole mess is a question of "ifs" Nothing like this has ever happened
before. Not an accident at this depth, with so much on the line for the
fisherman, for the animals, for the enviroment,etc,etc.
I wonder what BP was thinking during the risk-benefit analysis meeting
for this project. (if they even had one)
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Originally Posted by cassiesmom
Indy got your weather this early evening. Lightening, t-storms & lots
of rain.:)
I think they are ready to try about anything to keep the oil away.
No, I don't ask them to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I want them to rise above it.
Having been thru a few 'natural disasters" I know enogh not to depend on the city, state or government for aid?
After the 94 Earthquake I remember seeing - will use this term with a great amount of respect - wetbacks working their arses off, cleaning out homes and yards of earthquake rubble.
The ones that had no cars, piled the stuff out on the street. The ones with cars charged a fair fee to load up the rubble and take it to the dump.
The impotent knuckleheads left the piles of trash in front of their homes for the city to pick up. It was MONTHS before you could drive down a street and not see a pile of brick, drywall, wood and stuff that wasn't EQ damage on the streets.
The people who wanted to move on with life didn't wait for anyone to show up and help.
Most of the people who got FEMA money spent it on other things, not home repair..:eek::mad:
What I am suggesting is that people make the most of a situation.....
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Let's put this into terms we all can appreciate?
During the winter I read stories of people who could not shovel a drive or walkway in front of their homes.
They had to wait for a neighbor or relative to shovel the snow.
Wait for your local government to come out.
What do they tell you?
They'll clear out the street and gutter- sidewalk and path to your house?
Pay more taxes!
Sometimes you get a bunch of kids, who have no fear of work, get together and start up a little neighborhood company.
I'll shovel the snow on your walkway, once a week for 10 dollars.
Those are the kids that end up with a 500 jillion dollar company.
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If people deal with it? They are the folks you see on the news complaining about the assistance from the government.
You'll never hear about the people who do thins for themselves.
They don't have time to talk .
they are rebuilding their lives?
I agree with your premise, Richard, but cleaning up after a hurricane or earthquake is a tad bit different than capping a leaking oil well a mile under the sea.
And, yes, they can work at cleaning up the oil on the shoreline - but not if it keeps rolling on in.
As opposed to class-action lawsuits, I hope there is one heck of an inquiry held - where the surviving rig workers can be called to testify honestly about what happened, and not have to worry about staying quiet to avoid retribution from the corporation.