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I dont see any problems with them right now.

And I did want to breed Anya when she is 1 yr old or older. Not 5 months, hell no. Back yard breeder? ha... Maybe it shouldn't be your conern should it? Maybe you can't understand me because my launguage is lousy due to being deaf. Maybe try to add some words for yourself and see the concept.

Right (about the health certificate) So why should we spend this amount of money on the vet check, shots, if sick more, then transport it?

These buyers are deaf buyers. And I did them a favor. So Let it be. They know they've been warned. So Im doing my part.

I have the shots on ordered and will be ready tomorrow morning, I ordered them online and this place is pretty flexable. So I will get them in the morning.

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And I did want to breed Anya when she is 1 yr old or older. Not 5 months, hell no. Back yard breeder? ha... Maybe it shouldn't be your conern should it? Maybe you can't understand me because my launguage is lousy due to being deaf. Maybe try to add some words for yourself and see the concept.

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A dog shouldn't be bred until atleast 2 years of age. Yes, backyard breeding IS my concern -- it's the concern of everyone who is involved in animal rescue or just loves animals. It's a very serious thing that is killing our dogs and I know everyone here can back me up on that. I never once stated that I don't understand you because you are deaf; Infact I never said that I didn't understand you at all. It sounds like you want to put me on a guilt trip so that I'll apologize. Do YOU understand what I'm saying? Backyard breeding isn't something to be reckoned with..It's a terrible thing. I commend the reputable breeders that take the time to fix the screw-ups that backyard breeders and puppy mills have made.

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Originally posted by Accord
I dont see any problems with them right now.

And I did want to breed Anya when she is 1 yr old or older. Not 5 months, hell no. Back yard breeder? ha... Maybe it shouldn't be your conern should it? Maybe you can't understand me because my launguage is lousy due to being deaf. Maybe try to add some words for yourself and see the concept.

Right (about the health certificate) So why should we spend this amount of money on the vet check, shots, if sick more, then transport it?

These buyers are deaf buyers. And I did them a favor. So Let it be. They know they've been warned. So Im doing my part.

I have the shots on ordered and will be ready tomorrow morning, I ordered them online and this place is pretty flexable. So I will get them in the morning.

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Yes that would most definitely classify you as a backyard breeder. NO mixed breed dog should be bred, and even most purebred dogs shouldn't be bred and when they are it should be someone who wants to better the breed as a whole. You cannot put a dog through labor just for the sake of having puppies born. That is completely selfish, especially knowing how many dogs and cats in this world are euthanized each day when they cannot find homes.

Why should you spend the money to make sure they healthy? Because they are YOUR responsibility. If you CANNOT care for an animal do not keep it. Find it a suitable home.

Having worked as a Vet nurse for 8 years I am startled by your point of view when it comes to Parvo.

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And no Anya was NOT pregnant. Visualize this: A puppy... not sick, you love it so much, and boom out of the blues she gets sick w/ parvo or any other deadly viruses/disease. And she's what? 5 months old, shes never experienced having puppies, you wont experince the excitment that you want, the yelling of "Oh my god! she has 4 oh no another one! theres more! its boy! its a girl! aww shes so cute, shes colorful" you know what I mean? You wont experince that is your first litter from your own dog? *EXCLUDING other member's famliy dog or relatives* You know what I mean?

Do you understand that now?

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No, I don't understand. That makes me sick. You get an abused unwanted dog and you want to breed her??? You don't even take the time to crate train her, throw her in your backyard, and are sad when she DIES because YOU didn't get to breed her? I cannot believe you worked in a Vets office or have been educated about responsible pet ownership. To bring puppies into that unsafe environment is horrible as it is. I HOPE you plan on spaying/neutering those puppies before they're adopted - most cities spay and neuter pit bulls for free. Do you know why so many puppies are killed, unwanted, and abandoned like yours were threatened to be?? Because of people like you.

I don't want to be mean, but this is what I would say to anyone with your beliefs. Please, please find a safe environment for your three puppies.

Btw...If you can't afford vet care for the puppies, there is NO WAY you can afford to breed a dog. Atleast if you do it properly. Doing it properly costs thousands of dollars. But considering your choice of female to breed...it wouldn't have been done properly anyways. Even still, you need hundreds of dollars of backup money incase somethign goes wrong.

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Right (about the health certificate) So why should we spend this amount of money on the vet check, shots, if sick more, then transport it?

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Because you SHOULD care about these dogs. If you care about them, love them, and want them to have good lives you will get their shots and get them checked by a professional vet. I seriously could not imagine you being a vet tech. . if that isn't obvious to you. I also assume that if you would've bred Anya, the puppies would be born in the backyard then? what a nice environment for vulnerable, helpless puppies!

Honestly, I would never judge you because you are deaf. I treat you as I would treat any other human being with the mindset that breeding and breeding mixed breeds and pet dogs for no reason is perfectly fine and acceptable. You seriously contradict yourself, on one end you try to be some heretic, like you have saved those poor Pittie pups from being turned into a shelter and killed. . and yet you think its great for everyone to breed their pet dogs? WHY are puppies dying in shelters? There are too many puppies in this country, thats why so many are dying, theyre dying because of senseless BYBs. Please, volunteer one day at a shelter and you will completely re-think breeding your "backyard" dog.

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Having worked as a Vet nurse for 8 years I am startled by your point of view when it comes to Parvo.

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I'm not a vet nurse, and I'm startled. :eek:

Accord, no one is ganging up on you. You should listen to these ladies, they know what they're talking about. :)

I can ignore this no longer. Add me to the list of concerned people. Even when pure bred dogs are bred, the RESPONSIBLE breeder does a huge amount of research on the two dogs that are to be bred to see if it would improve the breed.
Backyard Breeder
1. Motive for breeding: "fun", "good for kids", "to make money". Does not screen buyers and seldom refuses to sell, even if buyer is unsuitable.
Reputable breeder
1. Dedication to producing quality dogs is serious avocation. Has so much invested in dogs that he struggles to break even, not make a profit. Will sell pups only to approved buyers.
Taken from this link: http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html
Take a look at that chart.

Hello, this is Johnny, and I was reading the forums on here. Since Accord is busy playing with the puppies.

I have come to an understanding that she feels that you guys are sort of jumping on her. Let me explain this to you guys.

Those puppies that we have were not our puppies. My nephew DH had a brindle pitbull with AKC. His family lets her out when Sheba wants to go out. So it all happens with a one night stand to 2 different dogs. So that would be backyard breeding would it? So theres a 2 standard mix of these puppies. Rott, and austrilliann shepard. He moved here and Sheba had her puppies in the guest room. DH offered 2 of them to us, one for for Accord's birthday and one was for to pay off rent. DH had to go to jail so he asked us kindly to take over NINE puppies. But he decided to take 3 of them instead. So we had 6 puppies left. Accord sold them in a heart beat so that they were paid and given away. Her friends live in california. So they are earning every money they can to get them there. Her friend is moving here in June so she's payin 10 bucks a month for dog food just specifically her dog.

I checked some of the other forums and I dont see anything that looks wrong.. but I do wnat to add, that we are blaming our nephew for not taking care of Anya. Accord's mom was in the hospital out of town, and I (honestly) dont like going up there becuase of problems. So I was being a loving husband and decided to go and be there for her and her mom. And we were gone for a month. So appearatly DH has not taken care of her. Just fed her and let be in the back yard. He complains she poops every where. He even had a roommate move in who isn't responsible for his own actions.

Plus Iam mad at my mom for lying to my wife that Anya had her shots. So theres no way Im going to accept another dog from my mom for as long as I know.

I think Accord was overwhelmed with blames and cussing and every body ganging on her. So I think she didn't mean to exclude the story about DH. So I figure I did. Cause I am on her side.

Dont judge her for who she is. She did her part while I was at work. And I just lost a job, plus Anya and overwhelmed, So Accord is 2nd in hand to try to help. So please be appericated that she did are part. And

And why are you guys trying to blame my wife? Im the one who is responsible for that dog, Anya. She isn't.

I hope you guys be nice to her after this. Dont jump on her.
Johnny 5

We weren't calling anyone a BYB for breeding the puppies -- it was the fact that Anya would have been bred had she lived long enough.

Do your nephew a favor and take Sheba to the vet or SPCA and get her spayed.

hm. I'm really confused?

Most of the reason anyone was angry, is because those puppies lives are in danger. Parvo is highly contagious, very costly to treat, and usually kills young puppies. And they are not vaccinated, which is the responsibility of any dog owner. Secondly, she said that SHE did intend to breed your backyard, mixed breed dog, which we are ALL against. Most of us volunteer at shelters and watch hundreds of thousands of dogs being put to sleep because they are mixed breed, unwanted, bred for "fun", etc. NO ONE cussed at her, thats not what we're about. I think we are all concerned for the health of those puppies, and we don't look lightly on breeding for "fun" or breeding "just because". . :rolleyes:

This is Johnny again, sorry.

I do agree, I think DH should get Sheba spayed or to have more responsiblity for what she does and what his family should do when she goes outside to do her business (bathroom).

We will get them checked hopefully this coming up week. Just to be sure, before Accord gives them their shots.

Ill call around and see if we can get a cheap check up for the puppies. If you know any that are good and trustable business, please list them as well. Accord gets paid everyday cash and could get them checked. One step at a time. Accord can bill the owners who wants the puppy for vet checks. But thats between her and her friends. Im trying to help as well.

Im thankful Accord has a job, whew.

I think Accord has been feeling down lately and I wish I knew a littel better why. I know shes a good mom to those puppies, Ive seen it. She cleans their area well every day. We are trying not to take them outside yet till we can get some good chemicals to kill the ground bacteria, I think its called Ryce. Or if you guys know anything that can kill it about 90% or up? Or a good percentage? Let Accord know and she will keep me updated.

I wouldn't say she intend to breed them in the back yard. We did want to breed her with another dog that is the same as Anya. But Sheba is only 1 year and 4 months old and had 9 pups. So some do get prego at the wrong time. So animals can't be blamed for that. But we have to deal with it right?

I better give the computer back before Accord thinks I fall in love with this forum. Im not on here often cause I dont know what to look for or to enjoy searching. So happy typing and please try to help Accord if you can. She loves Anya as much as I do. Be there for her, since shes trying
J5

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It may sound a little rude, yes. But if i didn't accept it, then everyone would say "oh you didn't accept it, that means they die or gets killed" mean stuff like that. And 2 of them are already sold, so Im still getting monthly rent from that. And the mommy owner will be paying for their shots and not me. I am paying for Moo-Moo, Bailey and Hunny Bear's shot tmw if I get my first paycheck today. which I hope.

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again,, I might remind you due in part ,, one has already died because you couldnt afford to take him to the ER Vet,,, you said that yourself,,,, so again,, you should be geting those pups to a place where they can get the proper medical attention and ALLL shots that are needed WHEN needed.

Accord,
I did some research and the Roice-Hurst Humane Society in Clifton will give your dogs their shots for $10.00. Also, they help out with spaying and nutering. Here is a link to them with there phone number. Maybe you could call and talk to them.
http://www.roicehursthumanesociety.com/Spay,%20neuter%20and%20vaccination%20clinics.htm

I also have another link I would like you to take a look at. Its Pit Bull Sad Reality. I should warn you that a lot of the pictures on there are very graphic. But it does show you how so many people in this world treat the pit bulls. The site has a lot of great info on it. It might make you guys stop and think about bringing more pits into the world. There are so many that are unwanted in shelters that need homes. Why bring more into the world when so many need adopted from the shelters!?! As, you probably know the pit bulls are having a tough time so many people hate them and want them gone. We as pit bull owners have to change that and give them the good name that they so deserve. Please help to do that for the pit's sake. Your puppies are adorable and they deserve the best in life and it's up to you to give that to them.

Here is the link to the pit site.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/sadreality.html