This documentary just about explains it all..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ecasPqhgk
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This documentary just about explains it all..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2ecasPqhgk
I may have to smack my Ausie friends around if this is what yall call documentary.
But that isnt to far off from what I fear will happen if the PC and GA groups get their way.
Wow, I cannot even believe the amount of ignorance in that post. There is offering an opinion, and then there's just being blatantly rude. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
It will be a more peaceful day, I think, when humans are just referred to as "sexual" with no prefix in front of the word.
That should include just about everyone. ;):)
If the unrest is simply that, yes. There was unrest when the service was integrated, but it settled down after some time. Hopefully this is handled well, and the same will happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
I'm sure the first female plebe at each service acadamy had a few issues.
Not completely, but that wouldn't be politically correct news, now, would it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
What are the straights afraid of? Do they think gays will attack the first
man/woman after getting rid of DADT? LOL The younger aged "kids" moving
up in the military ranks nowadays, don't have the old prejudices. I think
the removal of DADT, will not be as big a problem , as some think.
The end of DADT will be a bloody (literally bloody) nightmare, but you'll probably never hear about it.
It will just get piled into the pile of training that units have to do during the week. Be nice to everyone training, cultural/ethnic/racial/sexual/don't sleep with the commander/his wife/his dog/ training that already takes one training day per week out of the training cycle for mandatory classes.
How about this.......
When you can convincingly prove that all the other social stressors in military units have been effectively handled, then end DADT.
Until then, leave it well enough alone.
Too much upheaval in the force in the middle of a war isn't exactly a brilliant suggestion, and goes further to show how distanced the JCS are from the troops.
Actually a lot of the young military guys still feel the same way, I think they don't want to be showering etc with guys that like other guys. I guess I can see their point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
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Originally Posted by caseysmom
Well, I can always dream that people are getting smarter and
kinder with every generation.:)
Maybe I should look up more stats on this question. Can't hurt.:)
Some things take a long time to change unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
http://www.lifeskate.com/.a/6a00e54f...3be7970b-800wi
Johnny Weir, Olympic Figure Skater.
Proudly serving on the U.S. Skating team?
Don't ask?;)
No need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
"Smarter"? "Kinder"? By who's standard?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Then "Stats" on this 'question'?
Subjective much?
Are you willfully ignoring everything LH and I are saying? People, you know, who actually really served in the REAL Army and can tell you that 3/4's of the stuff you read is not true?
Of course not....
Look, If ANYONE can make it thru bootcamp, an academy or training to become a soldier? More power to them.
I realy doubt that any gay person is there for fun and games, especially when everyone else in the program has a gun, too
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I am for gay marriage, why should straight people be the only ones taking the chance on being miserable forever?;)
Every 'cause' for the past 30-40 years gets front page notoriety, then someone from the group goes stupid and the whole movement gets painted with the brush....
People like this Johnny Weir, set whatever faction he's involved with back a few years. Some kid named Rudy Galindo was the first openly gay ice skater.
And you know what, more power to him.
It dont affect my life.
It's always the people at the extreme fringe that make it worse for the people who just want to exist and be treated fairly in life.
Who you like and who you have shoot at don't really have any connecttion, It's about being able to pull the trigger at the right time and not do any collateral damage, when you do.
Go back to sleep everyone.
The straight and gay soldiers will die long before any of us civilians.....Maybe we should leave them be for willing to risk THEIR lives and lifestyles ahead of ours?
So the gays should be segregated on bases and while deployed? Should they receive separate training as well? They should be treated as a special protected group?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
Causing unrest while troops are deployed IMHO is not a good idea.
I dont think anybody has said the gays shouldnt be in the military in this thread, but it should be left to the military on how to openly let the gays integrate in the military.
Looks like he's ready to go out on the town with the boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Or the gals ???
You know what they say....boys will be girls and girls will be boys etc etc..LOLOL
It might if Johnny Weir got a hold of ya....hee heeQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
I have to clarify my point..
I don't who you date.
I feel that who you have a relationship with is your own business. I really am put out when people do the PDA thing or start to talk raunchy about "last night". I am not a prude and love a great dirty joke, but when you start to talk about your SO - who I happened to meet at the last party/function/get together- you have overstepped the line.
It's your business, not mine.
I have always been of the mind that you come to work, work, go home- when your homelife follows you in, that's not good.
I find any couple doing the kissy face, grab arse-ing in public to be disrespectful, obnoxious and rude.If they treat a relationship with such ilittle thought in public, they probably treat their professional life the same way.
But hey, I am more afraid of the straight, religiously radical moron trying to light his testicles on fire because he's wearing BVDs soaked in kerosene.
I somehow suspect that they are harder to deal with than gay people. it's just a hunch!:confused:;)
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Originally Posted by RICHARD
The problem with that in the military is that you know EVERYTHING about your battle buddies, and wind up knowing them probably better on most levels than their SO. There is NO privacy in military units whatsoever.
Well, my opinion only, but I believe that if they let gays into the armed forces, then there will be lots of trouble.
And I still hold to the belief that it's only a rights issue.....it's happened here in Australia, and still happening. In the 1960's the White Australia Policy was still the order of the day, the aboriginal peoples actually had their own schools (which their kids never showed up much at), and the whites had their schools. The abo's squealed discrimination etc etc, the law was finally passed and the abo's could attend the same schools as whites.
The outcome ???? The Aboriginals won the RIGHT to go to the same schools, but did they attend those schools ???? NOPE !!!! Nothing changed other than the aboriginals now had the RIGHT !!!!!
And so I believe is the issue now facing you all in the USA.
Wom
Might be safer to sleep with the dog !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Understood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I just hate the idea of people being in love and being happier than I am.:eek:;)
As Blue and Puck said, there were people in my units and people I served with who I KNEW were gay. I didn't give a damn. They were soldiers, got the job done, and that was all I was concerned about.
However, I'm not your average basic trainee, and I've seen what happens in those scenarios. It ain't pretty.
A question?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I am curious-no, not that way;)- about who incited the 'problems' when they came up.
Just a percentage?
I get the feeling that mean spirited people were the majority.
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In the old days I had a 'harem' I ate lunch with.
We'd walk into the cafeteria and you would hear us before you saw us..
It got back to me that I was gay because people could not figure out how I could 'roll' with so many woman and not be involved with any of them.
I took it as a badge of honor. I loves me my women...and I realized that hate can be a powerful emotion, especially coming from the Neanderthals on the planet.
sourceQuote:
Fact-Check: Would the U.S. be alone in allowing gays to openly serve in the military?
According to the Palm Center, a University of California, Santa Barbara-based think tank that studies controversial public policy issues:
-- Twenty-five countries allowed military service by openly gay people as of June 2009.
-- They are: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay.
Bottom line: The United States would not be alone in allowing gays to openly serve in the military. As of 2009, there are no fewer than 25 other countries that follow an open policy.
I want to throw out a France joke......nope, not gonna do it.:D
I personally wish everyone would go back in the closet, straight and gay and whatever. I have no interest in anyone's sex life or lack of one. :rolleyes: :D
I'm in the Don't ask, Don't tell, Don't care group.
As long as you're not hurting children or animals, I don't care what you do in the bedroom.
That was going to be my very next post on this thread, but now I'm not going to tell...hee heeQuote:
Originally Posted by kuhio98
I was always opposed to the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. It is MY opinion that it is no one's business (not the governments, not mine, not yours) as to one's sexual orientation. And one's sexual orientation has nothing to do with how well one defend's their country.
Hi Donna,
No more discussions from this end downunder on gays, religion or racism.
It's troublesome territory.
I'm outa this thread.
P.S Nice to see you again ;)
Wom
Hey Wom,
Didn't mean to offend you, I was only voicing my opinion. No hard feelings???
None mate....we all have our own opinions. But I find these subjects kinda get too heated if you know what I mean. And I know in the past my opinions have offended some as I tend to insult if I get too heated up, so I'll just avoid them from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Have a good day mate....and yeah, it's good to be back with you all.
Wom
Glad to have you back, Wom!! There are certain subjects my father always told me never to discuss in public. Sex, religion and politics. Boy was HE right!!!!;)
Yeah, he's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Thing is everybody has their own views, and boy....they are ALL so different LOLOL. So nobody wins in discussions like that.
The last couple of years since I've been gone from here haven't been that crash hot for me Donna, I've been back and forth to the shrinks that many times I couldn't count them. The ******* even wanted to put me into a clinic for a while, but I got out of that one. So he has me medicated up to the eyeballs at the moment, and now I'm kind of much calmer.
I went to my best mates funeral late last year, he was in Nam with me in 69, and had every single attributed condition that the orange could throw at him.
And all I got was a few psych issues....go figure !!!
Sorry about your buddy.
Better living through pharmaceuticals, I say!! Yeah, I'm on meds too. Damn chemical brain inbalances!!! But the meds to help. I have PTSD and ADD not to mention severe depression and anxiety. *shakes head* And to think I could've inherited my Dad's blue eyes and good looks. *sigh* Instead I'm the lucky recipient of his depression, high blood pressure and high cholesterol and I'm sure whatever else I'm not aware of.
Oh hell, any day with both feet on the ground is a good day, I suppose.
That's true mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Interesting article from Newsweek by a major in the Israeli Army.