Actually, I don't think this is considered old, not by me anyways.;)Quote:
a lady about 50 maybe 55 to 60 years of age
Printable View
Actually, I don't think this is considered old, not by me anyways.;)Quote:
a lady about 50 maybe 55 to 60 years of age
It seems to me that the Pitty owner was drawing attention to herself by walking a dog in to a regular store, wearing a camo sweater, wide leather collar and a chain collar. To me, it has nothing to do with the poor dog, but with the person needing the attention. She got attention, both positive and negative then complained about the "negative" attention.
Not everyone feels secure about walking near an unknown dog.
I always ask people if it is ok to pet their dog/cat whatever. I have had a little dogs snap at me when I moved my hand toward it.
I would have asked if the dog was ok with me passing by, simply based on the two collars alone.
I think the title of the thread could have been worded a little less meanly as well. That seemed to set the tone.
You reap what you sow.
:rolleyes:
Anytime my dogs leave the property, they wear two collars! They wear quick release collars with their tags and I hook the leash to a buckle collar. I hope no one is afraid of my little Jake because he has two collars. And to think people are afraid of Layla because she wears two collars to Petsmart. I thought they were afraid of the way she looked and here it was the collars!Quote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
I think it was the fact that the two collars are the thick collar seen on many pit bulls because of their strength and the other collar... I think it was a chain collar? I dunno.Quote:
Originally Posted by chocolatepuppy
I don't know why it would scare people. :confused: "Pit bulls" are strong dogs, she was being and IS responsible.. It just gives the owner more control it doesn't make them look "mean" IMO.. ;)
I would have to say it does to people who don't know what these large collars are needed for. If my mother were to see a pit bull walking down the road with a large collar, she would probably cross the road. Hell, she'd cross the road just seeing a dog on that side of the road, especially a """"Mean"""" breed. And yes, she knows not all dogs are bad, and that it's the owners... but that still doesn't help the fact that she is afraid. We all just have to remember that not everyone owns or likes dogs. Not everyone cares to learn about dogs. It's not apbtmom's fault, it's not the elderly ladies fault. It's just a fact of life. :) I think this thread has just been misread and it has built everyone up to feel defensive.
I don't think anyone mean't to scare your friend away from our board here and I for one hope she will stay, we just all have opinions, some of it was well mean't advice from the way i see it, i think she handled herself here with dignity, and although she may have felt she was being picked on , and i guess since it was her first post i can understand it, but this is PT, we all have our say, our agreements and disagreements, i don't think anyone was mean,just stating what they felt as she was, i hope she can see it that way and keep posting.
Again i stress i think it is dog owners who need to educate people about their breed especially if it has been given bad press as pit bulls are,i would not consider learning about dog breeds,and why should i really? and it seems that is what she intends on doing,i personally would be wary of anyone's dog that i did not know and would approach with caution and of course ask politely first, you know she may well have said the same thing to any dog owner not just because you had a pit bull, i think that is where you are being a tad over sensitive,but i can understand it too.
Anyhow don't be put off being here, it really is a wonderful place, i have been here over six years, i have had my ups and downs, and had a few people get annoyed with me too, but just take it with a grain of salt as the saying goes,you will get a lot more out of PT than you could ever imagine,it truly is a great place with some wonderful people, even the people here who may have a different view point to you on this subject, you know that really is all it is.
t to sca
Quote:
Originally Posted by apbtmom76
"elderly???":eek: You're killing me here!:D Guess I'll put on my Depends and grab my walker and head out to work! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MonicanHonda
Oh yes, yes I do and I sow many a oat to listen to you all tell me that my dog's collar is too big and that I should be less responsible by not taking him anywhere and letting him walk all over me with a flimsy collar. Thanks next time I post it will be because my dog got hit by a car cause he broke out of his 1"collar. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sasvermont
My dogs always have on two collars, Penny doesn't really need a choker, but she has one on for back up, wit her seizures and meds she takes she stays right beside me as does the white boy, Orion. But he too wears a choker along with his buckle collar. See and I would totally walk and love on your dogs cause they had on two collars, means I know you have control and know where your dog is at all times :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chocolatepuppy
So again you all are judging my dog because of his collar, so should I judge you all for the color of your hair or the clothes that youall wear, NO cause that would make me prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonicanHonda
Defensive yes, again I was just venting, I will not vent anymore, never had people jump to so many conclusions than here, and I know that my breed of choice is stereotyped it has been proven here, but like I said for what you all think I said to her to drive her away 5 different people came to pet him. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MonicanHonda
I take most things with a grain of salt, I really am an easy going person for a triple fire sign Leo, lol, but it seems that my dogs and the breed I love are not as welcome here as everyone else, I will stay but lurk, lol, not a big person on confrontation, so I will just stay quiet, thank you though.Quote:
Originally Posted by carole
I rofllmaoooo when I saw this CP, guess that means I shouldn't be too far behind you, wow, did I say she was elderly, that is my mom's age and I do NOT see that as old, shoot I don't even see my grandma as old :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chocolatepuppy
If you are as responsible as you claim to be, then why isn't your dog neutered??? :confused:
And I for one, would not have been disturbed by him wearing 2 collars. My issue is having him in the store unnecessarily in the first place. It served no purpose other than to call attention to yourself as noted in a previous post.
Honestly, I haven't gotten the feeling that the posts here have been meant to bash the original poster. I got the feeling that people were just posting to help the OP see the reason why the individual that was referred to as "stupid and a b***h" acted the way she did and not because she was either of those things. Because the OP decided to take those things as personal attacks, things have escalated. No where did anyone say that your dog shouldn't wear two collars or even a large collar nor was there anyone that even suggested that you shouldn't take your dog anywhere. The large and two collars were mentioned just to indicate why someone may choose to be cautious when approaching you and your animal, especially in a setting where they probably were not expecting to see an animal. Just because there isn't a sign saying that animals are not allowed, doesn't mean that they are necessarily welcome. Just as one example, my place of worship doesn't say that animals aren't allowed, but common sense dictates that we don't bring our pets. I have a close friend who would sometimes bring her 5 pound poodle in to the post office and the local hardware store. I loved her dog and dog sat for her numerous times. I still cringed every time I saw her inside a place of business. Perhaps if you could look at things objectively, you'd realize these nice people weren't attacking you but just trying to help you see the reasons behind the actions that offended you.
Lol!!! I didn't really look at her age, I'm sorry!!! Lol >.> Well you know us whipper snappers... :)
I was wondering the same thing. Until I say the thread that introduced her dogs, I asked, and I believe she said he's a show dog, if I remember correctly.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Because as most know, a pit bull, with the tendency to become aggressive, and unaltered, can equal more aggression.
I am NOT in any way, shape, or form calling your dog aggressive, just to clarify.;)
alot of people are scared of pits. My childhood dog was a pit/ boxer mix and almost everyone was afraid of her bacause she wsa 75% pit and she definately looked it. However, we didn't allow stranger to pet her and we made sure that we always had her under control because she was unpredictable around certain men and was very protective of the house and car. She was like that because the people she ran away from (we met them a year after we had her) had beaten her many times and made her the way she was. People do that to the breed and and the the dog gets the blame and not the owner. People are constantly afraid of harley! of all dogs, harley! lol... They are always saying that he looks like a pit:rolleyes: I personally see absolutley no pit in him, but then again he is a pound so puppy so u never know. I always just tell them that I'm pritty sure he is boxer/ lab mix and he loves everybody. A little too much sometimes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
Omg....too funny. Ya sure do have good eyesight Pomtzu. I laughed so hard when I read about the dog not being neutered I had to go back and have a look, couldn't figure out how you knew this. Now I know too, I think I need new glasses...lol.
haha! perverts!:D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiel
How could anyone miss that set????? :confused::eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by stace1319
he is not neutered because he is in confirmation and weight pull, he has to be intact for confirmation, so YES I am responisble, thanks :D Y'all keep laughing, cause it's funny to watch you all :D
LOL! You'll be old someday!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MonicanHonda
Geez Tye, I can't even get this many people to post on my pups threads, you are popular already!:pQuote:
Originally Posted by apbtmom76
Carry on and enjoy, because I'm done with a KIA. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by apbtmom76
Just keep dancing around the issues at hand, and hope that your dog always remains well behaved.
hahah popular, love it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chocolatepuppy
KIA?? And I have not danced around any issues, and as I have said I work VERY hard for my dogs to be well behaved, have titles and be good breed ambassadors :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I hate to jump into this, but......
This is clearly attention grabbing by the OP.
If you have a dog which requires a large collar to maintain control in public, maybe you shouldn't be bringing the dog into the store.
If you have a dog which has a bad reputation because of the breed, two collars and a camo coat aren't exactly sending a warm fuzzy image of the dog. That's hardly being an ambassador for the breed.
You have shown yourself in these posts to be confrontational with people, and wonder why you're getting semi-flamed.
If everyone else sees an issue, but you think it's everyone else with the problem, it's time to invest in a mirror.
lol I look into a mirror everyday and if it was a little chi dressed in pants a a vest it would be ok, but because of his breed, I am being flamed, omg you people are just to much, and the big collar is not for control the choke chain is, his regular buckle style collar is to carry his tags and for when he shows and does weight pull, again have you seen one of these dogs pull 3400lbs?? I am assuming not. And what would you know about being an ambassador for the breed when you obviously know nothing about the breed, I have been anything but confrontational as I said I am not a confrontational person, I am much more of a happy go lucky person, no I am upset about being bashed over my breed of choice and how use my words and my dogs collar, and no I do not think it is everyone else with the problem, I just htink people need to educate themselves before they make comments on others breed of choice and what they let their dogs wear is all. :D OO would you get me a mirror so I can see myself every morning so I know what kind of person I am :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
You're not getting flamed, hence the reference to SEMI flamed.
I have issues with people bringing dogs into stores period, regardless of the breed. Service animals, no problem, but a pet? There's no need to bring them shopping with you.
Again, it has nothing to do with the breed, it's your careless actions people have issues with.
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen....
I have to say this. What makes this dog so much different from the animals you have at home? I love all cats, all dogs, and don't make assumptions or insinuations about any breed. I could blatantly say that "anklebiters" or small breed dogs are in fact more aggressive, however no one feels challenged by a dog who would have to REALLY go at you to hurt you... Small dogs are treated like toddlers, let up on couches like dominant members of your "pack" and you coddle those little dogs that growl at anything that startles them...
Let me take a step back. Because that's not my opinion, however because I don't agree with what you are saying I don't have to be nasty. Tye, I hate stupid people too. Not ignorant ones. Because ignorance is bliss, and it simply means you aren't educated on the matter. Now when you learn something, and refuse to retain it, or choose to ignore it, and act like you never learned it, that is stupidity.
Let me give anyone here bashing these dogs benefit of the doubt. Let's talk about media's role in the image of the American Pitbull Terrier. Notice I didn't say PITBULL.. That is a blanket term, just like anklebiter is for small dogs. It may not be rude like the one I compared it to, but it is an ignorant term.
American Pitbull Terriers were bred from crosses between English dogs, from the terrier and bull dog types, and bred for function. This function was work. At the time of the creation of these dogs, the work at hand was bull baiting. Handlers would breed dogs that displayed tenacity and courage, and force great enough to finish what a human could not. Taking down bulls. Dogs were bred to be human friendly. So friendly in fact that you might remember a show called the little rascals. Petey the "pitbull" represented the exact type of dog that these dogmen of yesteryear strived to create. They were a family dog, one with great stamina, strength, courage, and most importantly a friendly disposition and a desire to please. This meant that kids could pull their tails, ears and be as kids are around these dogs, leaving parents little to worry about.
Bullbaiting became illegal. How do you test for the most courageous athlete? Dog fighting. Dog fighting, while it was legal up until 1976 was an event orchestrated by people, or dogmen who wanted to follow the true type of dog that the cross in the 1800s had established. Game testing, or testing a "pit dogs" tenacity was a sport in which the handler would enter a confined space with their dog, and it was matched against another dog. Human aggressive displays were culled, meaning the dog was either destroyed or taken out of the breeding program, because the disposition of a pitbull was to be friendly towards their human companions, and to lash at a human was a serious fault. So said dogs were cut from breeding programs and not allowed to pass their seed, or bloodline.
Testing became very popular in the early 70's, and for many years after it was outlawed, because it bred dogs that were the strongest of the bunch, the most courageous of their type, and the most loving towards humans. That means if you had a game dog, it might challenge other breeds of dogs (but other breeds also contain dog aggression), show aggression towards small animals like rabbits and squirrels, but that is called DRIVE. Drive comes from instinct dating back to days before dogs were "property" and made into pets. The purpose of keeping dogs active in this mindframe was to have a high energy dog that would complete any given task, and one who worked to keep a lean, healthy shape.
American Pitbull Terriers were bred for function over form, so many of these animals before 1976 looked like the same "type" of dog, but with many traits stemming from different bloodlines, many appeared different. It wasn't until the last two decades that breeding practices have turned more about appearance, and less about the well being of the breed. If you have an active dog that was bred to perform, it is not likely to have an array of health problems. It will require less medical care because it is bred to be fat burning, active, everything that is not a part of breeding programs with most breeds today.
Today's working American Pitbull Terrier can range from a service dog, to a catch dog (hunting), to a tracking dog, weight pull dog, agility dog, flyball dog, obedience dog, therapy dog, just about any task you put it to. Now remember how this dog was bred for function over form. People stopped testing for temperaments, which in short was "culling" the manbiters back before 1976... And since there is a negative stigma, you see people trying to make a buck breeding any given "pitbull" wether it's registered or not. A true American Pitbull Terrier would be temperament tested (which the average TTTS test results indicate a better temperament and lower bite percentage then what the media WANTS you to think), health tested to clear it of any genetic disorder, and put to the test with some form of sport sanctioned by a registry such as the United Kennel Club or the American Dog Breeder's Association. Champions, Grand Champions and Aces in wide ranges of sports and activities make good specimens because in part they portray what this dog was originally created for. Work.
Now considering they are working dogs, you might say, why those thick collars. A dog this strong could easily strain a trachea or esophagus from lunging (if it sees a bird, another dog... wether its just to greet or to defend, etc), and also while performing a task during an event. Thicker collars cover more area, which decreases the pressure to the neck, allowing the dog a less restrained air flow, and a more comfortable feel. Tell me how many of your dogs would want to keep running into a wire type collar. Prong collars and slip chains are simply used for reinforcing commands that should be established through proper obedience. It is hard to perfect obedience, as a dog will need consistency throughout training during his/her life, so if a dog is being stubborn, or refuses to comply, a "bite" from the leader of the pack so to say is a quick reminder that a command was given, and it is to be followed. I don't know how many people I see daily letting their dogs pull on retractable leads, or pulling them down the street with their leashes drawn tight from tension. Guess what? That inflicts pressure and possible pain on the dog, encourages dominance over the handler, and is counter productive. A dog should be taught how to heel on a loose lead. I use correction collars only as a reinforcement, not as a quick fix. They might not look pretty like 1/2 inch nylon snap collars, but proper equipment is suited for proper use, generally promoted by RESPONSIBLE dog owners.
These days are not so different from those of yesterday. It's the "pitbull" today, because headlines are filled by secret agendas proposed by legislators to rid the world of "pitbulls". Youre right, irresponsible owners, poor temperaments due to bad breeding, and breeding for anything other than a goal in which the breed can benefit from is devastatiing to any breed. But since American Pitbull Terriers are so sought out, everyone and their uncle wants to breed them. Just because you have a dog you think is cute or awesome doesn't mean it's breeding material. But that goes for ANY breed. Now, because the majority of the stigma that is circling around this breed is caused solely by ignorance, it is easy to say "pitbulls are kid maulers and manbiters". Truth is, the majority of "pitbulls" that bite people, first are provoked (but it's easy to say theyre not now that everyones idea of a pitbull is a man vicious dog), secondly most are not thouroughbred specimens of the breed, which brings in temperaments from unknown breeds, and you are opening the genepool to more undesirable traits that could come from more aggressive breeds or poorly bred MUTTS. Just because it looks like a "pitbull" does not make it an American Pitbull Terrier. Bull mastiffs, Dogo Argentinos, Cane Corsos, Dogue De Bourdeaux, Patterdale Terriers, Catahoulas, American Bulldogs, Banndogges, and other breeds, AND mixes all share some similar characteristics and to the untrained eye may portray features that get confused for that of an AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER. There's about 20 breeds, in fact there's an online webpage that gives you one chance to spot the true specimen, leaving you with 15 false answers. Most people, it takes 2 or 3 guesses at best to uncover the true "pitbull"..
I really hope you can open your eyes and spread a good message like Tye here is trying to do. Why is camo offensive? Soldiers are dying overseas for our freedom, so wouldn't patriots stand in awe to America's once most desired family dog bound in a cute camo Jacket? And the collar, wouldn't you feel safer knowing that the handler knows what strengths their dog is capable of, and is using something that is durable and safe for the dog? Can't you give someone who knows their dogs well enough to go into Lowe's benefit of the doubt about being responsible? We might live in the south but as dog owners and lovers it's counter productive to stereotype other breeds that you don't know and understand, and it shows really insecurities and flaws in all of us. Our dogs don't hate you... Why hate our dogs???
if I was careless I would have brought a vicious dog in to a public place, if I was careless, i would be one of those news stories you see on tv, if I was careless I would let my dog breed with anything that moved, to reap the "benefits" of the money as others would say, if I was careless I would let my dog off leash at a dog park to play with other dogs I don't know, knowing my dog is dog aggressive, if I was careless I would have never gotten them certified with the ATTS and CGC and one of my dogs is a certified therapy dog, again you people seem to have no clue regarding my breed of choice :D
Oh for crying out loud. Pit bulls DO NOT have a tendency to be aggressive. :rolleyes: ANY dog does, It's not how you raise them it depends on genetics. Sorry Tye you are getting the short end of the stick here and I am sorry I invited you here. :(
awww Krista please do not be upset at other peoples lack of knowing a breed and being discriminatory, you know that my crew loves you and vice versa, I am ok here and if htese people would open their minds to what a true APBT and a responsible owner was then maybe I wouldn't have been read wrong. No worries girl, let the haters hate and the lovers love :D
I agree!
News flash to the OP:
It's not the breed. It's the humans.
hahah then I guess it is me y'all should be worried about and not my dogs :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moesha
Agree totally
See, told you I was losing my eyesight....lol. Guess we are perverts...lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by pomtzu
I'm sitting here still laughing my head off for missing that. Got to get those new glasses for sure :D :D
You guys are being ridiculous. :rolleyes:
Yes, they DO have that potential to be aggressive, due to bad breeding, and training. So do great danes, poodles, labradors, any dog. But, APBT's have slightly more potential, due to their fighting background, unfortunatly. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by luvofallhorses
It IS how you raise them. If I wanted my poodle to be aggressive, I could train him/her that way, by rewarding any aggressive behavior that she showed. As for APBT's it's genetics, AND how you raise them -that plays a huge role on the dog they come to be.
Dog aggression and Human aggression are VERY different. ;) A sound dog will never turn on you. Where do you get your information? Pit bulls were bred to bait bulls originally and then were fought but they were bred to be human friendly when people fight dogs, they would pull them off the dog and they woudln't bite them. They used to be America's top dog. There are many pit bull service dogs and I do not think they have the potential to be aggressive.
http://www.atts.org/stats1.html APBTs look they pass more than a lot of breeds out there. No sound dog no matter what breed turns on you. A lot of the BSL is from the media and the reporters cause it by publishing the stories. You know a lot of people these days can't tell what a true APBT is. APBTs are not the dogs with huge heads and big bodies.
A true APBT is a medium size dog and they are the biggest people pleasers and lovers. I just don't understand why you guys are berating her
(You're not Sarah so don't worry I don't mean you.) THis is why Jadapit left. :(
Coming in very late to this post. I think you missed an opportunity here. Instead of that semi-sarcastic remark, why didn't you take a little time for education? If you had simply taken a couple of minutes to tell her about your dog - his breed, his age, his name, what a wonderful companion he has been - you might have made a convert. You could have invited her to pet him. The possibilities were endless - and wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by apbtmom76
Good post!!! You summed up everything I used 3 posts for LOL... but in short, dog and animal aggressive yes, human aggressive never. Unless the individual dog is unsound. But I'd rather be around an unsound APBT than a sound rottie, gsd, or lab ANY day.Quote:
Originally Posted by luvofallhorses
And yes people perception of the image is wrong too. Nowadays you hearly xxl, pocket pit, most of those dogs being a completely different breed, the newly emerged American Bully which belongs to the ABKC.
What people don't know they fear. Im glad you guys let me join so I could share my two cents :D
I agree with this entirely... However I know Tye and if you knew her like I do you would understand that it's like taking your kids to soccer practice, taking them to debate club, stimulating their physical side and their intellectual side and then someone saying "soccer is for punks!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace
I'm not going to lie. I read a lot of the posts and I was a bit angry. Not many worded what you said like you. But then again most people speak before thinking, and that's more so when you are truly passionate about the things you love. Its a work in progress, I believe. We learn every day, even when we fail to educate.
I posted also because the stigma around this dog is absurd.