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As to the rather base comments made about the current POTUS in this thread, I'm glad to see everyone respects the voters of this country.
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:rolleyes:
As to the rather base comments made about the current POTUS in this thread, I'm glad to see everyone respects the voters of this country.
Duly noted and bookmarked for future reference!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
So much for respect for the First Amendment Rights!
Why a shoe?
IN the Muslim culture even showing your sole/the bottom of your foot to anyone signifies you they lower than dirt.
This turd just showed how stupid his actions were and made the whole country look bad. Bush ducked and didn't back down. He even laughed it off.
Had that happened to any other American politician the news papers and media would have crucified the clown, his actions and the country where it happened. But the "Bush fatigue" makes people react negatively,
LOL, I wonder what footwear the next four years will bring.
The most dangerous shoe would have been a track or golf cleat, a five inch stilleto or those EMU books that people wear.
The reports says that the idiot went to the bowling alley in the neighborhood and rented a pair of shoes, throwing those instead of his own.
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On a side note, CSPAN ran his speech to the troops at Camp Victory today and no matter what anyone says, he has always been a good speaker, funny, self deprecating and the crowd today cheered his speech lustily.
Um, ahhhhhh, ummmmmmm, ahhhhhhhhhhh........Ummm four years......ahhhhh.......I can hardly wait.
I have heard GW called many, many things. But NEVER before have I heard him called a Good Speaker. Not even by Bushies!Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
LOLOLOLOL,
When you have the Stuttering John Melendez as the next POTUS, GWB has to be rated waaaaaay above anyone that umms and ahhs their way thru life..
I found it interesting that people are buying painted U.S. coins to commerate his win of the WH.
The American Idiots that would pay 20 dollars for a painted 50 cent/dollar coin really make me wonder about this country.
...that darn Blackberry withdrawl! ;)Quote:
GWB has to be rated waaaaaay above anyone that umms and ahhs their way thru life..
I just can't help but think about the uproar if one of their officials had come here and one of our citizens had done that to them. I cna just HEAR it now
Heck even Iran President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came to Columbia University and the US was able to treat him with respect even though he has made his hatred of the US and Israel etc known to the world. yet he was treated with respect when he came here. if he hadn't been treated with respect people would be calling for the death of those who insulted him... kind of like when a cartoon about Allah was printed and people FREAKED ... yet a cross in a jar of urine was considered art :rolleyes:
I don't know...
A lot of people on here are vehemently disagreed with... but would you assault them just because they said something that hurt your feelings? Would you find it funny if one PT member threw things at another PT member just because they didn't agree with their position.
No one is saying they shouldn't have the right to free expression... but he only has the right to free expression... NOT to have people agree with his actions.
and there is a difference between disagreeing with the POTUS and trying to assault him. I don't AGREE with Obama but I would NEVER try to hurt him or personally insault him in the worst way I could imagine.
I have total respect for the rights granted under the Constitution of the United States. I think 20 years of my life defending the government and the document that guides it would pretty much answer that question.
HOWEVER......
I refuse to stand by while people use their rights to belittle Constitutionally elected representatives and the people who voted for them.
If you disagree with a policy decision which has been made, fine, state that.
Calling someone an idiot and by extension calling the millions who voted for them idiots is a tad over the top.
I disagree with decisions the current President has made, but he's still the POTUS, and as such I will give him the respect that THE OFFICE deserves.
I disagree with many of the campaign promises and platform statements made by the President Elect, but would never call him an idiot.
I predict you and I will be disagreeing alot with the POTUS Elect and the Congress for the next 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Bush may have dodged the thrown shoe, but his press secretary was
not so lucky. She has a black eye from the ruckus. She looks terrible.
What was she doing there anyway?
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
OOOOOH ouch... THAT looks really painful. Poor lady
What I find…well amusing I suppose…is you want the maximum stretch of interpretation of the Second Amendment (guns) but want to limit the interpretation of the First Amendment (free speech).
Blagojevich is a constitutionally elected official. He is also an idiot. You suggest it is wrong to say that. I disagree.
George Bush is an elected official who has squandered the good reputation of the United States, lied to the people of the country and the world and sacrificed over 4,000 Americans to his lies.
I do not believe he or any other elected official should be protected from criticism.
And I not believe criticism of him or Clinton or Obama when he gets into office - or Pierce or Harding or any other man who sat in the oval office shows disrespect for the position of president or for the constitution.
Otherwise the Founding Fathers would have written the first amendment to say…”freedom of speech except when criticizing government officials.”
Thankfully, they did not.
What's interesting is how an insult is in the eye of the beholder. To the Iraqi Muslim, that was the worst possible insult, yet Bush and others have made somewhat light of it. I feel bad for the press person who got hit by the shoe. I'm surprised the Secret Service gave the man the opportunity to even throw the second one!
Calling someone an idiot isn't criticism.
It's an insult.
Criticism woud be pointing out the percieved faults without being insulting.
Nowhere did I suggest limiting free speech, quite the opposite, I'm using my right of free speech to speak out against insults that add absolutely nothing to an adult discussion.
As an aside, I have no desire to see a maximum stretch on the second amendment, but merely want the government to allow law-abiding citizens to exercise their rights enumerated under the Constitution with a minimum of governmental interference.
I remain baffled to why you have not expressed any disgust at people calling Blagojevich an idiot, etc. Or various congresspersons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Your disgust over disparaging remarks toward elected officials seems to only apply to either politicians you like or posters with whom you disgaree.
I have disagreed with politicians here, disagreed with policy, but frankly I don't remember calling any elected official an idiot.
Posters, yes, but normally with cause and premeditation.
In Private messages? possibly.
In an open forum? Nope.
Gov. Blagojevich may turn out to be the most corrupt politician since Boss Tweed (It's Tamany Hall in NYC, BTW, not Tamany, NY), but he's still the Governor of Illinois.
First let me thank you for pointing out that I left the word "Hall" out after Tamany.
But back on topic....
Interesting that the word "idiot" offends you but "moron" does not.
I will watch. Next time RICHARD goes on one of his rants about Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi -- or other Democrats he dislikes -- when he rants about the clothes they wear, whether they have had a face lift or not -- calls them (or himself I am not really sure ) morons and worse -- I will see if your sensibilities are riled by those affronts to constitutionally elected officials and the people who elected them.
It hasn't happened yet. But strangers things have occurred I suppose.
And I am fascinated that your find it acceptable to call a poster an idiot but not an elected official.
Remember the Shoe Bomber?Quote:
Originally Posted by smokey the elder
We really didn't care about shoes until then!
Now, we could have made a HUGE deal about it, but the shoes didn't connect.
We already went to war over something far more sinister than a pair of 10s.
Look again and see had this happened in Germany? Italy, Russian, Australia, Canada? Spain?
There most certainly would have been a different look at the incident, What if the "shoe bomber" hit the Iraqi diplomat?
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What I was trying to get across was the stupidity of the incident, the deftness that our president has and how he shrugged it off and didn't make a huge deal out of it.
One thing I find IMMENSELY amusing is the idea that you can take a coin issued by the US Mint paint anything on it, and sell it as a 'commemerative'
piece to be patently ridiculous.
The coin was struck with another intent and to trivialize it by painting it, sell it for 20-40 times it's original value strikes me as a scam. The people who deal in stuff like that usually are not upstanding citizens, just people looking to make a buck!
If one calls a person an idiot, one is simply calling that person an idiot.
If one calls an elected official an idiot, you are by extension calling those who voted for the individual in question idiots at best.
I fail to see why you are so huffy about a simple request to keep political discourse above the schoolyard level. Is it because you are in fact incapable of doing so yourself?
and as always this thread comes down to bickering about a few words or misspellings
What I am "huffy about" is your inability to admit your bias. Just tell me why it doesn't bother you when RICHARD calls Nancy Pelosi a moron but it bothers you that Donna calls Bush an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Gosh...when you look at it like that it becomes rather obvious, doesn't it?
But to take your logic (or illogic) to the next step...if I call Blagojevich a crook, am I calling everyone who voted for him a crook?
If I call Randy Cunningham a theft, am I calling the people who voted for him thieves?
If I call Larry Craig a lying closet homosexual, am I calling the people who voted for him that?
Of course not. That would be silly.
Getting elected does not protect people from the same label you feel comfortable putting on fellow posters.
Does the schoolyard equal the barnyard? :D:D And does calling fellow poster count as schoolyard behavior -- or just barnyard?
<sigh>
If someone is a crook, it can be hidden fairly readily. Happens all teh time. What % of crimes go forever without being solved?
There have been plenty of crooks in government, and will be as long as government is human.
Idiocy, however, should be fairly apparent. Regardless of how I feel about their policies, they managed to run an election campaign and get to where they are. If someone is truly an idiot and still gets elected, you're calling into question the intelligence of millions of people in the case of a national election.
I get away with stuff becuase I am a hypocrite.
Hypocrites are usually idiots, so our opinions don't count.:cool:
Im dyslexic, thats gotta give me some leeway too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
<sigh> You usually do better than this LH. Idiocy is just as easily hidden as dishonesty. Take Warren Harding for example. A point for trying to say..."national vs. local makes it different." But millions of people vote in Illinois -- or New York -- Florida -- California.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady's Human
I do notice you continue to avoid the question of why you find "moron" acceptable but not "idiot"?
Nor why it is not "schoolyard" behavior to call a fellow poster an "idiot" as you admit to doing but it is "schoolyard" behavior to call a politician an idiot.
But then...some questions are unanswerable, aren't they?:D:D
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Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
Two words. Situational Ethics.:)
Two more?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizbud
Warren Harding, Other than the golf course in Griffith Park in Lost Angeles, why does he make the thread??
I have to laugh because this thread wasn't started as a political/world affairs comment. It was meant as a dig at the stupidity of people on the planet and how they react to other people, Of course it's not as bad as assasination of a world leader-World War anyone?- I thought it was stupid and a childish 'show of protest'.
BTW, The Secret Service is asking women to check their underwear at the door of any press 'briefing' now- The story of the woman who injured her eye with the thong underwear has lead them to believe that a terrorist could make a sling out of a pair and hurt any politician.:rolleyes:
Yes it is 'schoolyard' because I post things and take an oblique look at things.
If I have any conversations/post that really bug you, fine.
To toss my name into a conversation and then say "When Richard does it" reminds me of my idiot brothers and sisters and how they would run to my mom everytime they had a prob with something I did.
Yeppers, I am not the most astute person when it comes to expressing myself-but I try to leave some latitude when it comes to serious/facetious.
So, I hope people really take my posts with a grain of salt and try to read between the lines......there is nothing there.
My sister spent many years in a wheelchair, and died of MS at the age of 48, in 2006.
You already told me this Catty and you also thanked me for the work I did at our m.s. centre. As I said, I am very sorry about your sister but I go to bed every night hoping my brother will not wake up next morning so I don't have to watch him suffer from this anymore.
It's Christmas, please put me back on ignore for the season, we seem to be at crossroads.
shepgirl you are on ignore, have been for a while. I can however look at individual posts of yours if I wish, or that of anyone else on Ignore.
Yes, I remember telling you that now. The point is...that I would not make fun of a person's handicap because of that background. Putting someone into the "ugly" category that the Stones were put into? Yes. The "h" word doesn't come into this context.
Nothing there? :eek: :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
But it's so Phunn to look!
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I'm a liar too?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cinder & Smoke
As far as the 'ugly comment' goes.
I didn't have any idea that the gentlemen mentioned had any kind of medical impairment.
I apologize for the comments I made and to Mick, Ron and the rest of the boys.
Just heard a blurb about some AMERICAN CITIZENS who did something with shoes at a Bush appearance.
I really hope that this is a trend that the public at large honor ALL our politicians in this way.
Please feel free to try STEEL TOES, a good heavy duty hiking boot or the steel plate that flat tracking motorcycylists use over their shoes.
I love this country!:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by ramanth
:p
:D
Darn shoe has a terribul Left Hook!
;)