Thanks for trying to save her. Poor girl. She deserves every chance she can get. I have a very soft spot for this dog. As I said before, I wish I could take her. I don't think she would get along well with D an D driving her crazy but I could surely try to find a home for her if I lived closer. I have a gut feeling that she would be adopted in a heartbeat if it's allowed :)
oh my god this is such a sad story. Moline is literally like 10 minutes from me..i havent read every post but sounds like they are still in the shelter. not sure what i can do since my car is literally falling apart lol but if there is any small amount of driving these pups to meet u anywhere let me know i would be glad to do it..jamie :)
Thank you so much for offering to help. I will let you know if we need help transporting them in about six weeks or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamieejo85
we know you are going to try your best to save her. :) all you can do is try your best and you are doing that much and I DO think that is enough. :) We need more people in this world like you. Please keep us updated and I agree it really isn't fair for them to test her right now since she is still settling down and learning to trust people again and plus she is protecting her pups. I just hope they give her more time. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Reachoutrescue
Prayers comming that they will retest her once the pups are gone. She might have just been protecting her pups.
Oh these stories are always so sad :(
I hope she is just being protective of her pups. I think a temperment test after the pups are weaned is a good idea and not to make any rash decisions without giving that poor girl a fighting chance.
You are doing a wonderful thing and I am sure it is very hard to hear these sorts of updates :(
Here is a copy of the email I sent to Cindy of the Rock Island Animal Shelter about Faith and the reply I received, as well as the email I sent in return. I am also trying to help a pittie mom and pups in Wisconsin. Also, I was informed this morning that the runt pup of Faith's did not make it. The vet tech did her best. When she told Cindy about it she said there were six left, so we are confused. If the runt died, there should be seven, Cindy is looking in to it to find out what happend to the other missing pup.
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Vanlandengen, Cindy
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:10 PM
Subject: Faith
Cindy,
I was wondering, is there anyway we can get Faith a temp test once her puppies are out of the shelter? Maybe she is just protecting her pups. I would hate to put her down if she will eventually be okay. I would love to save her. I just can't give up on her. Thanks for all you are doing for her and the pups.
Tracy Caccavella
Founder
Reach Out Rescue, NFP
www.reachoutrescuenfp.org
(708) 243-8304
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Tracy,
Yes, we can see how things go. Paul does not want to give up on her either. The main thing now is to keep those puppies heathy and to keep her healthy so she can nurse and care for them till we get them weaned. I guess Rich is already saying he does not want to adopt out the pups, he is so non educated about this breed and hates the breed. He figures that the pups will be bad news and agressive since mama was in that fight and maybe a fighting dog and those of us in the know all know that has nothing to do with anything. I told Sam the office manager and Carla the vet tech that if Rich does anything to those dogs and does not give them a chance at a better life, I will walk out of the shelter and will never step in the door again, and I will pull all financial support as well. I donate a lot of time to that place and always give give give, the ignorance of Rich and Sam about pits it very frustrating, and I am getting really really tired of it. We will just see how things go. Debbie talked to me about the mama and babies that need to be pulled from the Milwaukee shelter before they are put down. I told her that if you can help go for it, Faith and the pups are safe at this point. We know the dogs have been exposed to parvo and we don't know at this point that they will not get sick and we could lose some or all of the litter. So, take the Milwaukee dogs if you can save them, we will find a spot for Faith if we need to and the puppies too, like Debbie said, maybe the bullybreed will have room for the pups in a few weeks. We will take it day by day, I will keep you posted.
Cindy
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Cindy,
I am so sorry about the lil' pup and the other one (that is missing and assumed to have passed) that did not make it. I really hope we can save her and the rest of her pups. I just wish Rich, along with many other people, were not so ignorant about this breed. It is not their fault they are the way they are. They were dealt that hand by their humans...who are not even human if you ask me. And the fact that the "shelter director" is breed discriminating, that is like putting a orphan home director that is racist into a home that takes in African American children. It is racism, just a different type of child. If there is anything I can do, please let me know. If he wants the pups gone, I AM TAKING THEM AFTER WEANING. I don't care how many I have here, I will take them, okay? I am here to help these babies. Dave has told me to do what I need to do to save these two moms and their puppies. Just let me know what to do.
Tracy Caccavella
Founder
Reach Out Rescue, NFP
www.reachoutrescuenfp.org
(708) 243-8304
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I will update you guys when I know more. Please keep fingers and paws crossed for dear Faith and her remaining pups. Thank you again so much for your support, I so appreciate it and it helps so very much to know you all care.
It really aggravates me that they are being ignorant about the breed! :mad: they probably are listening to the media and haven't see how wonderful this breed is. The e-mails are great and I will still pray my hardest that Faith and her pups will be okay. that lady is a big help I am sure since she loves the breed like most of us here do including myself. :)
*hugs*
Good thoughts for mama and pups! :(
A lot of pits are put down here, not because of breed discrimination but because they amount to about 50 percent of the shelter dogs and there simply aren't enough homes. Many times when pits are adopted here they wind up as bait dogs or the adopters try to turn them into fighting dogs. We've even had pits stolen from the shelters for that purpose.
Every weekend there are pit puppies for sale at just about every shopping center. They start out at $50.00 by noon they're down to $25.00 and by evening they're given away free. 6 months later they turn up in the shelters!
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I pray Faith finds the peace she deserves.
I thought in the picture there were 7 pups, so if 1 died, that would leave 6.
Were there 8 pups to start with???
I hope they are given a chance for a wonderful life, just because they are pitts does not make them killers.... :mad:
I can NOT believe a shelter worker thinks those pups should be put down. I'm pretty much at a loss for words. It saddens me more than you will ever know, knowing how many pit bulls are used and abused every day. The humans are the "monsters" not the dogs.
You know my thoughts and prayers are with you, Faith and the pups. (((Hugs)))
TO APPLESMOM: That is just horrible. I just do not understand people...this is why I prefer animals over people.
TO PITC9: There were eight in the picture. There was a little brown one hiding in between its litter mates. He's there, but hard to spot. I am still waiting for a response from Cindy to find out what really happened to the missing pup.
TO JADAPIT: Rich is actually the Shelter Director....which makes it even more upsetting to me. I am just sick to my stomach over this. I know how you feel.
Thank you everybody for your kind words and prayers. I will post more when I know more. I AM taking the mom and pups from Wisconsin next week. At least I can save one family. I just feel so bad for poor Faith.
I know how bad you feel, but you've done more than a lot of people would. You didn't look at Faith and say "oh no that's a pit" and turn your head. You fought for her, you loved her without even knowing her. To me that makes you a wonderful, caring person. I cant tell you how much that means to me and the pit bulls of the world. (((HUGS)))
Thank you. I never look at a dog and say "Oh no, thats a (whatever breed)". That is just not me. I love all four legged friends. And I feel so much compassion for Faith and an unknowing love as well. I will NOT give up on her. I can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadapit
This is so incredibly sad I don't know what to say. You Pittie owners on this board and others that interact with them, must be sick over this.
Thank you so much Tracy for helping this situation as much as you possibly can. You're a wonderful wonderful person!!
I'll continue to pray for Faith and those little babies :( :( :( :( :(
I agree! Tracy, you are a wonderful person for doing this! We've both said more than once, "we can't save em all, but we can sure try!" Keep up the good work and good luck with the family from WI!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadapit
Well, I just spoke with Cindy from the pound where Faith is at. A lot of people at the shelter have confronted Rich about this dog. They are all angry. So, it is agreed that they will wait until the pups are weaned and she has had time to "chill" with out the pups. They will re-test her and if she passes she will come to me. I am taking the pups either way. I am also getting the other pit and pups from Wisconsin next week. So far things are looking better. Let's just hope Faith passes with flying colors.
YAY! I'm so happy that they are giving Faith another chance! I'm crossing my fingers for you Faith! :D
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Originally Posted by lute
I'm happy also! My fingers are crossed for you too Faith! :D
Great news Tracy!!! YAY YAY YAY!!!!! Thanks for doing so much for this girl and her little ones :D
that's great! :) I hope she passes, too. I am still keeping her in my thoughts and prayers. (((HUGS))) the world needs more people like you protecting this wonderful breed. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reachoutrescue
Thank you everbody for all your kind words. I am still waiting to hear from Cindy to find out what happened to the other pup. I am going on Friday to meet the dog in Wisconsin and should be pulling her and her pups next week. Just wanted to update everybody.
You are a God sent to Faith and her pups and the other momma and her babies. God bless you I will not only pray for the dogs but for YOU if you need ANY help with food or money let me know. I know it cant be cheap what your doing and I sell this awsome dog food I have the site if your interested and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont hesitate to let me know if you NEED ANYTHING
Chi hugs
Julie
Great news!
Come on Faith... be a good girl, those people are only trying to help you!!
THIS IS NOT GOOD.....
Here is a copy of the email I received from Cindy today.
From: David VanLandegen <[email protected]>
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To: [email protected]
Cc: Paul Gifford <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 04:02 pm
Subject: mama and babies
Hi Tracy,
They have made a change in policy at the shelter due to parvo and health concerns etc, so no one except staff can go back into the area where the mama and babies are. My understanding is that there are six puppies and so far they seem to be doing okay. I guess her owner came into the shelter looking for her, not sure how they handled all of that or what was said, I did not ask. Suffice to say, he is a major dirt ball. I told Sam the operations manager that you were willing to take mama (if mama passed temp testing and that is questionable) and babies once they are weaned. It is just a wait and see type of thing, whatever they decide to do they do. I have gotten mixed messages as far as what the feelings are about adopting out the puppies, one of the shelter workers said there was concern the pups would be aggressive, the concern also is that they do okay and not get sick, etc etc. Someone has e-mailed the director about him not liking pits and this situation with the mama and babies, something obviously passed on from an e-mail when I was trying to find a spot for the mama. So, this puts me in a bad position and I am sure the director is not that happy with me right about now. Sam the operations manager said Rich was going to talk to me. So, I feel just sick to my stomach. He does not like pits, he does not like rotties either. Whoever e-mailed him was outta line and it puts me in a very bad situation. Very bad. This very well could destroy any future efforts we make to try to help pitties at the shelter, or any efforts to take in pitties from other shelters. There are pit friendly shelters and there are non pit friendly shelters. We have adopted out pits before, sometimes it takes lobbying on behalf of my hubby who does the temp testing to get them on the adoption floor. I have no idea who would be stupid enough to e-mail and complain to Rich about him and these pups and him not liking pits, because it jeopardizes everything. Not these pups necessarily, but future pitties. So, that is the way things stand right now. We will just see how things go in about a month and whatever they decide to do they decide to do. If they want the pups to go to rescue, I told Sam today you would adopt them out and give us the $80 per dog. If they want us to spay/neuter and give shots before they leave, fine, if they want you to do it that is fine to. I am just letting things be, and when they are ready to do something with the dogs and if they want them to go to you, that is fine. If they want to adopt the dogs out themselves, that is fine too. This whole thing just stinks a big one, and I hate to even go to the shelter again because I know I am going to be in deep doo doo with Rich. Please do not reply to this e-mail, send a new e-mail without this attached because I do not want my hubby to accidentally open up the e-mail and read it because he will then get all bent out of shape. I just get frustrated in that shelters are filled with pits everywhere, and it gets so disheartening. When you have to fight breed prejudice, it is hard as well. I get too emotionally involved, that is a major weakness that I have, but I think it is the maternal instinct, and it is just hard to turn on and off. I don't want any of this to jeopardize us adopting out pits in the future. This just really really stinks.
Paul----please read and do not reply back on this e-mail. I can call and we can talk later about all of this, I don't want David to know about any of this unless Rich talks to him about it and then I will have to deal with David being upset with me as well. thanks.
Cindy
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Now what do I do? I hate this waiting game....and STUPID people!!
Being the person that you are, Tracy, I can imagine what this is doing to you. You've done the best you can to save Faith and her pups. This story shows us more about the poor attitude that people have against these loving dogs. It just makes us all sick :(
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this does suck! :( We need more people like you trying to protect this wonderful breed. I know you are trying your best. (((HUGS))) I just hate that so many people are ignorant about this breed. Pit bulls are truly the best breed out there.. I just wish they would fall into the right hands. :( I will keep praying that they will be okay. :(
I'm so sorry Tracy. :( Hopfully this person e-mailing Rich doesn't make him not give these puppies a chance...or any pit for that matter. Hopefully it wasn't a PTer.(i'm NOT pointing fingers or saying it was) I'm still hoping and praying for a good outcome for these pups and Faith.
I am not sure who emailed Rich, but now eveything is so messed up. I spoke with Cindy and she said that she, another volunteer, and one staff member are pretty sure Faith will not pass the temp test. I am very saddened by this. I know I will not know until it is done, but just the thought makes my stomach curl. I am now focusing on the puppies. I am determined to get them out of there. If the shelter adopts them out, the will end up in the hands of Faith's owner. Cindy said (and I agree) if he came back for Faith, he will come back in about 6 weeks looking for the pups. The shelter will not adopt to him, but I am sure if he sees them, he will send his "gang" in to get them. Faith has had other pups before, we can tell by how she gave birth alone and did great, also one of the dogs that came in with her was a young female about 6 months old and it looked just like her. Cindy said she was sure it was Faith's daughter. I was misinformed when I was told it was two males, it was one LARGE male, Faith, and the young girl, who we believe was put down. We need to get those puppies out. I just hope Rich lets me take them and nobody else emails him. I know they were just probably angry, but it was not a good idea. I hope whoever did do it is smart enough not to do it again and knows what their actions has caused. Hopefully they can email him an apology, or something. I don't think it was a PTer. I am not sure who it was. I am just so livid right now.
I feel so bad for you and all the dogs in this case Tracy. It's absolutely heartbreaking. It seems so ironic that society detests the Pit Bull for what hateful humans have turned them into. There is more euthanization of Pitties than attempted eradication of these vile humans. The criminals keep getting their hands on these pups and the breed keeps getting a worse reputation. What a vicious cycle!! The innocent are exploited and never protected. No one has a chance to try to step in and make the situation right. :( :( :(
I hope you realize what good you've done to try to help these dogs. It was almost a losing battle from the beginning. There is probably nothing you can do to change it. I'm sending you huge hugs for all you've tried to do.
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Oh no... who the hell would e-mail him and piss him off like that when all people are trying to do is save a mama and her babies???
We all have to believe that what happens in the end to Faith will be what is best for her in the long run, she knows that there are people out there that are still pulling for her and have not, nor will they, give up.
We're fighting for you Faith... and that's what we all have to have... is Faith, that the outcome of this will be the best it can be.
(Puppies not with the dip sh*t owner at the very least..... :( )
My thoughts and prayers are with you Tracy; I pray those puppies get to you.
How the h*ll could someone think that new born pups, that are going to be brought up properly socialized would be aggressive. That just proves (again) how stupid and ignorant people in this world can be about breeds.
Also help the argument that a lot of people on this earth should be neutered/spayed so they stop producing more ignorant offspring.
Tracy, my heart is breaking over Faith and the pups. I wish who ever emailed Rich wouldn't have done so. It sounds like the pups could be doomed because of the email. :( I can not believe he thinks the pups will be aggressive, that's so not the case. I pray they will let you take the pups. They deserve a chance in life. As for Faith my heart aches for that poor girl. I hope her ex owner is happy. People like that should not be allowed to own pit bulls, or any other breed for that matter. I'm so upset over all this. I'm going to take the fur kids for a walk, try to walk off some steam. (((HUGS)))
My feelings, just your words. You clearly understand how I feel. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah
I couldn't have said it better myself. We kill a dog if he/she attacks a human or another dog, (well some laugh and think it is a sport), but when a human attacks, 9 times out of 10 times, heads are turned and it is overlooked. I really hate 99% of the human race....I thing the other 1% is "part" of my family and PTers!! Crazy huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by pitc9
I will post when I find out more about Faith and her babies. Thank you everybody, so much for your compassion on this sad situation.