If a cat can't scracth, it's gonna bite and from personal experience I would much rather be scratched than bitten. OUCHEEE!
Ask the A-hole from the other forum if he would like to have his fingers and toes cut off and beaten with them.
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If a cat can't scracth, it's gonna bite and from personal experience I would much rather be scratched than bitten. OUCHEEE!
Ask the A-hole from the other forum if he would like to have his fingers and toes cut off and beaten with them.
I've tried that argument. I've posted the link to declawing.org. I've provided a list of countries that veterinarians will not do it because it's cruel and inhumane. Doesn't matter to this idiot. He suffers from the worst form of ignorance I've ever seen.
0_0 Poor kitty!
We never considered having Cupcake declawed. So she mangled an arm of the couch, so what? It's a couch. When we got a futon with wooden arms, she started using her scratching post. If the couch had been an issue, we would have worked to redirect her scratching, but nobody in the household cared because we love our kitty!
No, I can't... poor kitty's:(Quote:
Originally posted by jenluckenbach
Can anyone still defend declawing? :(
It sounds like the person on the other forum is just being a troll.
exactly.Quote:
Originally posted by smokey the elder
It sounds like the person on the other forum is just being a troll.
Breastfeeding is the *BEST* thing you can do for your baby. Samantha looks like such a sweet soul :( I cant believe anyone would tell you to beat her. :(
I have never, ever, ever, heard of a cat killing a baby. Scratching, Biting? Sure. But go back and ask the kid why he pulled the kittys tail, or foot, or didnt handle the cat properly??
The people on that other forum sound very uneducated.
I'd love to beat some sense into that idiot! What a jerk. And what business is it of theirs when of if she breast feeds? Geez! Do people have no scruples these days? You should give us the link so we could open up a can of wupa$$ on him.
Poor Nala :(
When we went to adopt our kitties, I was very uneducated about cats. But all Operation Kindness had to say to me was we do not recommend declawing - it hurts the cats. That's all I had to hear to decide against it. Now I've got my two clawed love bugs who sometimes 'get' me in play (never maliciously), but it's no big deal. I do not understand the furniture argument because dogs chew the dickens out of things and kids draw on the walls and tear up everything. You wouldn't remove a dog's teeth or a child's hands.
There are some who will argue that it's better to declaw than not adopt at all and I sort of agree. We can educate and do our bests to prevent people from declawing, but if it comes down to declaw or leave in shelter, I would rather they adopt I guess. But I think most people are like me, who just need a little education and if they were just aware of the damage declawing does, they would never consider it.
LOL I would, but this particular forum was begun by a small group of us that'd met at another, larger forum. We didn't like the rules and the iron fist that one was ruled by so we began our own. The jerk I speak of is a friend of one of my favorite people from the original forum so he got invited in. If I gave out the URL just to start trouble, I'd lose actual friends I value - several I've met in real life, two of them flew from Scotland to Maryland for my wedding (and Theresa was actually a bridesmaid in it)... so I'd better not, though I'd love to see you all rip the jerk a new one.
LKPike - Samantha is one of the sweetest dogs you've ever seen. She is so loving, she wouldn't hurt a fly. I have absolutely no worries about bringing a child into the house around her. She's going to help me by being Nana (the nurse dog in Peter Pan)! :) She was fine (curious, but what dog wouldn't be?) when I brought Sushi and Kirin home. She was fine when we recently brought Maya and Kimi home. She'll want to see the baby. She'll be allowed to. I was brought up on a steady diet of dog hair and dog kisses. My kids will be too. Samantha may be a dog, but it doesn't mean she's any less important to me just because she isn't a human being.
Breastfeeding - This is what I said on that forum in response to their 'bashing' of me:
And to try and keep this topic on topic as much as possible (I really do apologize for the "hijack")... As for the cats - like LKPike said, a cat may scratch but ask the kid if they pulled it's tail or picked it up when it was trying to get away, and I bet the answer would be yes more often than not.Quote:
I agree - I never disputed the benefits breastmilk is said to have over formula. But so far, none of those benefits has been enough to outweigh the numerous personal reasons that I've chosen *not* to.
I was formula-fed. Palin was formula-fed. My best friend was formula-fed. I actually know more formula-fed people than breastfed. We're all healthy, normal, intelligent people. So I have absolutely no fear that feeding my child formula over my breastmilk will cause him/her irreparable damage.
Everyone has their opinions, but it is a fine line beween merely expressing one's opinion and telling someone else (in so many words) that a decision as personal as this, is wrong. Not pointing fingers. Just stating an opinion.
Working with other people's animals I have seen MANY declawed cats who are happy and well adjusted. Working in rescue I see MANY declawed cats who are no longer wanted because of a change in behavior (and usually NOT for the good).Quote:
I have to say I've had multiple cats declawed and they have never had problems after the surgery.
I think what people need to ask themselves is....."Is it right to take the risk? One that is irreversible once the damage is done."
Wow, that was really well-written. It was almost as if I was back in the hospital that I used to work at. This was a very typical scene, and a very accurate description. I felt really nauseated the first time I had to assist in a declaw mutilation (very approproate term) and what this person described in the article is exactly what I observed. It's a very disturbing memory for me, but at least I will never have one of my cats mutilated.
It just makes me so mad when people do this to their cats, and then they dump the cats when a behavioral problem develops. Sure, there are MANY cats that come out of it just fine. But there are always many more that come out of it with behavioral problems. Believe me, I know. I too was ignorant as to what declawing was years ago. My boyfriend (now husband) had his cat, Scooter, declawed and neutered because that's what everyone else did. Now, Scooter has a behavioral problem and we're stuck with it. It's our fault he has this problem, and it's our responsibility to deal with it. I can't tell you how many times we had people drop cats off at the shelter where I was also volunteered during the time I worked for the hospital. Cats that were dropped off due to "behavioral problems" were always declawed... :rolleyes:
When will people learn??! :(
I have one sister that will only adopt animals from
kill shelters.
She has 5 cats and 2 dogs, and recently she
mentioned she wanted to
adopt 1 or 2 kittens when the oldest dog passes away.
(All 5 cats have their front paws declawed. They
are happy and have no behavior problems. )
I mentioned to her about the controversy over declawing.
Her statment to me:
What is better for the cat? To be put to sleep in a kill
shelter or be declawed and live a happy life as a house cat?
I do not have cats and I am not going to judge.
But I do see the other side of the coin too when
the alternative could be death in a kill shelter.
I hear this argument a lot. It is hard to fight unless you think of thess scenarios:Quote:
Her statment to me:
What is better for the cat? To be put to sleep in a kill
shelter or be declawed and live a happy life as a house cat
a) What if someone else,who WON'T declaw, adopts that cat before it is put to death?
or
b) What if complications come up because of the declaw and it DOESN'T live a happy life?
Is 15 to 20 years of agonizing pain (assuming a faulty declaw) better than a quick and painless death? And since there is no guarrentee that there will not be dreadful consequences from the surgery, you take that risk each and every time.
If having your furniture scratched by a cat's claws is unacceptible, then I can assume that if litter box problems arrise (And I can't guarrentee they won't), peeing on said sofa will not be acceptible either.
posted by jenluckenbach: I hear this argument a lot. It is hard to fight unless you think of thess scenarios: peeing on said sofa will not be acceptible either. >>>>>>>>>>>>
I guess life is full of what ifs.
So I will leave it up to the cat owners to decide
on what is best.
I do have to mention this on a lighter side.
My sister had a cat who recently past away.
She took in an older cat when her elderly owner
past away.
This cat would only use the litter box in the upstairs
bathroom.
So if for some reason if the dogs were upstairs
she would go downstairs and
would pee/poop in certain areas of house.
( do not remember the exact reason why the
cat would not go back upstairs)
I can not answer for others, but my sister would never have
dreamed of getting rid of this cat because of
this smelly problem where I am sure others might have. :)
Samantha Puppy *hugs* i know exactly how you feel. though i was picked on over very different issues.. i know how someone can get under your hide like that...
the best thing to do is to ingore this bunghole and hope it gets bored of its own stupid little game and shut up.. or better yet leave all together.
*hugs* hang in there.