I think its a good idea to have one of us send her those links. I'd be willing to do it from one of my email accounts as well.
You could just play dumb if she got upset at you.
Let me know. :)
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I think its a good idea to have one of us send her those links. I'd be willing to do it from one of my email accounts as well.
You could just play dumb if she got upset at you.
Let me know. :)
Yes, she is a Sp. Ed teacher and is always looking to make a quick buck. She has been thru more schemes than I can count..I know her male dog is not even house broken but he is in the house.
Maybe at a later date I will have someone who doesn't mind send her some links/info...right now she would know I was behind it as no one else has said one negative word about it. And I do appreciate the offers...
OMG! I am so sorry you're sort of stuck in the middle with this. People like this woman make me so :mad:
There are enough problems in this world that she doesn't need to add to it. People like her shouldn't even have a pet in the first place if the only reason for her having one is to breed it for a quick buck. :mad:
Just because it's a "pure bred" doesn't mean that it should be bred. :rolleyes:
Ugh!
Does she even care for her pet at all? She needs to realize how expensive it is, and working for a vet hospital, I know first hand how expensive it can be. A lot of good advice has been offered in this thread. Anyone would be willing to send her links to make her think twice ;) Just let any one of us know, and we'll be happy to do it!
**hugs**
If there is anything I could do, or send her ... She picked probably one of the most difficult breeds to "make money from." The head size is too big, the hips are too small ... and they don't have big litters generally anyway. Do you know who her vet is? Maybe s/he could talk to her about responsible breeding ...
You know, Karen..that is a good question..who is her vet..I can find out..and IF its my vet or their partner, there is my answer..I know them pretty well...and since this is a small community the odds are that she does use the same vet..I will find out today! I can call Doc Cindy and tell her the situation..and I know she will certainly try to change her thinking! Thanks again for all your help..
I worked with a lady and her and her husband have a bull dog. They decided to breed her. They had to have her AI it did take but she had a horrible time giving birth and she had to be rushed to the vets. They almost lost her. They said NEVER again and had her fixed. Your friend may be in for the surprise of her life. It's to bad she wants to breed her dog especially just for extra money.
That's a really good idea Karen, and it might just leave Pamela out of it so to speak. Good luck with it Pamela.
Well problem solved itself..she came in to see me this morning and you will not believe what happen...
First off...she paid $1400 for the dog, plus the shipping and the dog can NOT be registered! The guy she got the pup from took her! He has NO papers for her..the parents are not registered altho it is supposedly purebred..he lied to her..and she only has phone conversations..his word against hers that he told her that the pup could be registered...PLUS..her male bit the pup in the mouth this weekend..5 stitches across the lip..$200 vet bill...she is in contact with the man...telling him he has til Friday to return her $ and she will return the pup but he is not budging..I dont know what will happen..but she knows she can not register the pup, therefore will not be able to get the high $ for the babies..and she is mighty upset..can not beleive she got this pup by a pic on the web, paid that kind of $ taking his word for it..what a mess! And I saw pics of the poor pup...huge gash in her mouth..
I hope this truly is the end of this saga and she has her male fixed. She apparently doesn't care about this pup, just about it's "purebred" status and if she gets her money back from this loser BYB she'll just go buy another pup and have the same stupid ideas as before. I would still talk to the vet and see if they will convice her to have the male neutered for his own health. You could also just give her some info about the benefits of neutering and maybe find a low cost place to have it done cause if she has to pay $100 or more for a neuter, it ain't gonna happen.
Tell her it costs a lot of money to raise a healthy litter of pups and even more money to raise a disastrous litter and she won't make a profit.
If she needs some "extra cash" tell her to get a %#$%& extra job!
just because english bulldogs are expensive, doesn't mean youll make money on them. usually their artificialy insemenated = $$$, 99.9% of the time they have to have c-sections because their hips are too narrow = $$$, the only real good reason to breed them is if they have good breathing and wide nostrils - because if she gets a puppy whose nostrils arent big enough it will need surgery to widen them = $$$, or she could just be a b*tch and euthanize it which I pretty much know she would do since shes in this for money and surgerys expensive. usually theres only 2-4 puppies in pregnancy, usually only 1-3 survive.
Plus, theres the time and money she might be spending on bottles, formula, and sleepless nights since some english bulldog mothers wont take their babies.
whyd she pick english bulldogs? they arent an easy breed, and they certainly arent easy to breed.
My mom would really love to see this thread. Shes worked hard, since I was just little, on this breed which is about 9-10 years.
I'd appreciate it if you could print this and show her. If she'd just do a little bit of research she'd see all problems and issues with breeding them. SHE WILL NOT MAKE ANY MONEY FROM ENGLISH BULLDOG BREEDING. NO ONE EVER, EVER DOES. Shes just setting herself and her dogs up for financial and physical disaster. If I have to, I'll get my moms records and receipts and count up all the money shes lost in bulldog breeding. She does it for love of the breed, they have such huge huge hearts and unique personalitys. imo, if ever there were a list of dogs that NEED to be here, on this planet and healthy the bulldog would be close to #1.
It really hurts me to know why that teachers doing this, and to this beautiful breed.
lol nuh unh!! no, no, no.Quote:
Originally posted by wolfsoul
Maybe you could tell her that C-Section is the only option for a bulldog to have pups. I know it isn't -- infact most English bulldogs can have puppies without one
English Bulldogs *usually* (I'll say around 95% of them) need c-sections. Their hips are just too narrow, and their heads, even though their puppies, are way too big. its unfortunate, but their such great dogs I just can't ever imagine a world without them! Their natural comedians, companions, lapdogs.... ok a 55 pound lapdog but still lol, they give every bit of their heart to their owner, I've never personally heard of one running away (I'm sure it happens somewhere) they simply love their owners and their homes. I do wish there were more responsible english bulldog breeders, itd be wonderful to have more of them, healthier, stronger, longer lives, etc. My mom breeds mostly for wide nostrils and better breathing (for other things too, but specificly she wanted to improve breathing so they dont struggle as much, and can play longer and harder without gasping for air after 2-3 minutes)
I so agree with everyone. My brother-in-law got their English Bulldog puppy for over $2000, he is pet quality with limited registration. There were only two puppies in his litter, both pet quality pups. The dam had to get a c-section, went home and nursed the pups for a week. It became evident that the dam had complications with her uterus, wouldn't nurse the pups and stayed at the vet for 2 weeks (at least, I dont remember exactly). She then had to be spayed, they had to remove the entire uterus. You can imagine how much this must've cost the breeder!! They luckily had another bitch who was able to raise them, but she had 4 pups of her own and Ben and his brother had to be bottlefed. Again, huge cost and huge amounts of time. Then, of course, the two puppies had to be wormed every two weeks, vaccinated, and got checked by a vet every week. Not even counting the health tests that had to be given to the sire and dam, this litter, the c-section, the emergency vet stay, the spay, the bottles/milk, and the time amounted to MUCH MUCH more than the $4000 they recieved from selling the two puppies.
Bulldogs are one of the most unhealthy breeds out there, because they are man-made and their appearance is the result of breeding mutations over many generations. They cannot breed naturally. They are very prone to luxating patellas, hip dysplasia, skin disease/allergies, breathing problems, heat exhaustion, etc. All of this is agrivated when Bulldogs are overfed or underexercised and become obese. Most of the people out there looking for an English Bulldog don't realize this, they want the dog because its "cute" and "lazy", and when the health problems start surfacing the dog is usually returned to the breeder or turned in to rescue. Does your friend know all of this? I think you really should talk to her about breeding if she is still considering it, I don't think it would be rude at all. Just express your concern and mention all of these problems to her. If she needed extra money, the last thing she should've done is bought a Bulldog (or any other dog)!
Is that the type of dog on "everybody loves raymond"???
I just can't help thinking sweet justice. My only concern now would be for the pup.