Rolled, Nylon, 'choker' collars

I didn't read the other posts cause I have to leave for work ASAP.. but try a Halti, I used it to train the psycho dogs at the shelter & my ex-friends 200 pound rotti... I even used it to train Max... it comes in many colours & costs about $10-$15 canadian.. make sures it comes in a box & its a smooth material.. the ones in bags r a rough material & will cut into a dogs muzzle... I find choakes r useless & take way way too long to train the dog..

I know Pet Value has Halti & the choaker u want too

I am afraid with Binx and his mouth condition that a halter type collar is out of the picture...thanks, tho.

I would STRONGLY suggest using a Gentle Leader instead of that choker. Or a normal harness if he can't wear one because of his mouth. Or get him in an obedience class.

And I hope you don't get a prong collar ever :( You get faster results choking the dog as opposed to training him to walk properly, but your relationship will be a lot better if you take that time rather than using physical brute force.

Sadie has one of those! Her's is red! We got it at our local Pet co, I don't know why your Pet co wouldn't sell them? Good luck trying to find it!

Johanna, You would be better off with this type because of his size. (I hope the attachment works)
I found it at :
http://www.dogsoutfitter.com/

We use Nylon slip collars made by Premier (also called Martingale Collars, same maker as the gentle leader) They are good for good for pullers, but may not discoursage the toughest of pullers (read Sadie and Cincy). Once we got them trained those, these collars are enough most of the time. They will tighten when the dog pulls, but never enough to cut off air. The dog also can not back out of them . Here in Toledo, the only places you can by them is at Pups-n-People, where we trian our dogs, and at the Humane Society. They are also available online. May be something to consider as Binx gets bigger :)


I'm one of the few people not totally opposed to the prong collar. I think it is a last resort, and I think you still need to use postive methods to teach the dog how to act whent he collar comes oof, but it can be a useful tool...Cincy was just the most stubborn dog...we tried all the right things, themethods, the training, the halti the gentle leader. Nothing convinced her! There was no reward good enough, no food no toy, nothing that was more tinteresting to her then pulling. She we tried and prong, and kept up with the postiive reinforcement. She no longer pullson a regular collar....and when she needs a reminder the collar goes on, and she doesn't usally need it for the whole walk.

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Originally posted by Cataholic
...ok, little picky,
but, Binx and I need some ***style*** in our lives.

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Hey Binx ~

Ya wuntz ***style***?
Klik on dis page... "Bark Avenue" Martingale Collars
Course Mom mite tink these got more :eek: *FLASH* than *style* :rolleyes:

You need to look at THIS page to see How the Martingdale Collar (the ones Amy mentioned) is constructed and works... "Martingale Pix" - bottom of page

When we went to skwel, our teachers all taught wiffa "Chain Choker" collar - but sed they were mis-named - kuz the handler was NOT supposed to "choke" :eek: the dawggie wiff em...

Dad wuz supposed to give a quick "Pop" by pulling up, then *IMMEDIATELY* RELEASING the pressure onna neck... The idea wuz to "Get our ATTENTION", not punish or prevent us frum doin sumpin! We were supposed to alluz "Look up at Dad's EYES" when he "poped" the collar... Sum of us took a lil longer than udderz to grasp the concept! :rolleyes: The Teachurz all preferred the *CHAIN* style rather than the nylon or leather types - kuz they sed the dawggie could *hear* the chain run through the sliding ring - sorta an advance hint that the "pop" wuz onna way!

And they all stressed that the choker style collar should only be used for training or walkin - never as the general wear - all the time - collar.

For a BIG dawggie - like Mr Binx *will* be - the Over the Nose style "Gentle Leader" might help - they make it pretty difficult for even a strong dog to pull very hard. And that style should not hurt his mouth - if it's fitted properly so that the nose loop is *back* (close to his eyes).

Good Pix of the "Gentle Leader" collar...
Gentle Leader ON 3 different dogs...

Johanna - talk to some of the Saint Club owners -
ask them what works well with other Saints.

What worked with leash training both our Saints (though they were younger than Binx at the time - 10 weeks, tops)? A quick tug on the leash, a firm, loud-enough-to-get-through-thick-skull No! and a "bad dog" when she pulled at all. They are such people-pleasers that you seeming mad is worse than any physical harm! It might take some persitence with Binx, since he is older (therefore thicker skull! ;) ) but I'm betting you won't have to go as far as a prong collar. They aren't the pullers Huskies are, but they WILL test your patience at first!

I hate haltis..Timber has one, but it doesn't stop her from pulling at all :mad: And I'm not allowed to buy her something different :rolleyes: I want to get her a prong collar, Leather's old one worked great on Timber. But Timber still pulls like crazy on that stupid halti...And we've been using it since she was probably about 6 months old..
I also don't like the halti on Leather...It worked good on her the first few minutes, until she figured out that if you pull backwards it comes off :mad: So during the wiggle waggle walkathon she got it off and ran around, me chasing after her. :mad:

We used the prong collar on our Westie for quite some time, and used it for a short time on Chester. But, by far the best thing we've gotten to discourage his pulling is the Sporn No-Pull harness.
What a difference. Night and day change in our walks AND it doesn't choke him at all, so no trachea damage. I've put it on my arm on the soft part inside (by my armpit) and it doesn't hurt, just feels slightly uncomfortable when you pull against it.

Their website is www.sporn.com

We bought ours at Petsmart for around 17 bucks. :D

I really don't like any type of choker, even the Premier ones. They just don't seem to stop the pulling.

If the Halti is on properly & fits right, it will NOT come off. I trained a Walker Hound who pulled like a mad man from hell. I put the Halti on & he fliped out & I mean "fliped" he pulled backwards for his life, rolled around, he would run so hard that his body went flipping over his head. I thought he was gonna break his back, so I made sure we walked in the grassy ditch & not on the road... it took 2 full day to train him really well on it. & if u have a real Halti the muzzle part tightens & also helps prevent it from comming off.

& for Binx, if he can't have it tighten on his muzzle yet, put it on the side ring (along with the muzzle ring) cause it'll prevent it from tighting but still keep the dog in line. Thats how I use it on Max so it wont tighten on his old face too hard.. But I hardly ever walk him on a leash so it doesn't bother him any longer (Max wont chase or leave my side with permission.. hes trained very well, & his age helps too.

It was on right, it's just that when the dog pulls away from you it slips off. It's hard to explian. Like in the postion of playing tug-of-war, the dog pulls one way, you pull the other, it gets pulled over their head and off the muzzle. Timber's is too small even, so explain that. She has the last size the petshop will sell, it doesn't fit :( Leather has a thinner muzzle so hers came off even more easily.

It's like how a collar gets pulled off. Collars, haltis, they both go over the head, they come off the same way.

See how it's on here? My dogs pull until the strap at the back slides up their head, past the ears and it just falls off their muzzle. Timber's is really tight, so I don't know how she does it :p
http://www.balgownievet.com.au/image...lars/Halti.gif

Wolfsoul, I have a hard time understanding how the halti could be too small for your dogs? :confused:

Nebo's like a 50 lb dog....not big......and his muzzle is pretty small....and it fits him fine. Actually, the size that it recommended for a husky was too big, so I had to get a size smaller. Same with my friends german shorthair.

The halti has the clasp that you hook to the collar for safety. Nebo has jerked and pulled back, and it has never even come close to coming off of him. When the dog pulls backward, it tightens over the muzzle.

I don't see how a dog can pull with that on. It just doesn't seem possible to me. It's attached to the muzzle, they can't pull with their heads like that....or at least that's how it seems to me. :confused: Lady, the german shorthair, is a HORRIBLE puller, I mean, she'd rip your arm off...she's a pretty big dog, 65+ lbs....and she can't pull at all with the Halti on.

As far as the prong collar, I thought it'd be easier to transition a dog from prong collar to regular collar vs. halti to regular collar, as the halti is completely different from a collar. I don't know though. So far with the halti, Nebo walks good with it on, but just walks the same as before with it off.

Odd cause Jasper (the walker hound I was training at the shelter) pulled like he was playing tug of war, & it stayed on.... one thing I noticed that was wrong with the pic u showed.

Look at the strap that is loose at the front of his throat. Max's is snug.. was urs loose?? maybe that was a factor?
cause that Pic is the one off the box I got Max's Halti...
I'm just bewildered that urs came off & I've trained so many dogs on it & not once did it come off.