Faith?

I can't see allowing or permitting or being swayed by any one else's POV. If I believe in it, or don't, that is all that is necessary for me. I never got into the 'prove it' argument. I don't need to 'prove' my faith, or lack of, to anyone. That anyone would go to great lenghts themselves, well, that says something to me about their beliefs. But, that is THEIR issue, not mine.

If people would truly believe in themselves, what they stand for, what they believe in, and forget other people's paths or journeys, it makes life SO much simpler. :)

The concept of "proof" should be reserved for science and math. It has no place in faith/religion, IMO. That's why they call it "faith".

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Check it out.

You can see god in this picture. He's doing a Waldo!:eek:;)

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Originally Posted by moosmom

Countrywolf,

I have faith too. Sometimes it's tested to the brink. But I manage to get through it. And yeah, I saw that post on Facebook.

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Definitely. It can be tested to the very brink. Faith is a powerful thing.

Perhaps this is a really dumb question. How do you all manage to see the same comments/post on FB? Are you all 'friends'?

I agree that faith and science seem to be on a collision course again; They are both better off kept apart.
Science does not try to answer spiritual questions. However, an attempt to explain the nature of matter, or why the universe has no end, soon gets close to sounding like faith. Scientists are just as reluctant as priests to hear their paradigms challenged.
My take on this is that whatever the Truth is, is far too difficult for our puny brains to understand. Call it God, or String Theory, it is just a simplified picture we have that works for us, like subway map. So let it work.
If I saw a ghost, no scientist could tell me afterwards that ghosts do not exist. If you feel the beneficial effect of your faith on you, keep on with it, and let science get on with inventing a better toaster. Or saving the planet we are standing on.

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Originally Posted by Scorpio

If you feel the beneficial effect of your faith on you, keep on with it, and let science get on with inventing a better toaster.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPo411ysueM

Amen!;)

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Originally Posted by Cataholic

Perhaps this is a really dumb question. How do you all manage to see the same comments/post on FB? Are you all 'friends'?

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Yup! I found Catty (and several others!) on the PT facebook page :D

http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php...4270058&ref=ts

http://cuteoverload.com/ : for the next time ya read something that makes you sad ;)

Even people who believe in the big bang theory have faith. They have faith that absolutely nothing created something. Now, where did nothing come from to create something? That's more of a leap of faith than believing everything was carefully thought out and planned.

How can nothing make planets and stars that aren't in complete chaos from the get go? Can't happen. :D:love:

I can't help myself, this topic reminds me of a joke.
No offence meant to anyone, I just found it funny and thought it lightheartedly fit the topic.


One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him. The scientist walked up to God and said, “God, we've decided that we no longer need you. We’re to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don’t you just go on and mind your own business?”
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man. After the scientist was done talking, God said, “Very well, how about this? Let’s say we have a man-making contest.” To which the scientist replied, “Okay, we can handle that!”
“But,” God added, “we’re going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam.”
The scientist said, “Sure, no problem” and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God looked at him and said, “No, no, no. You go get your own dirt.”

Ladys Human

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Explain to me how most systems degenerate into ever simpler states, but life has organized into ever more complex beings.
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Being a retired Systems Engineer I find your statement confusing. "most systems degenerate into ever simpler states.

It is true that all systems (natures included) can be broken down to a series of simplier functions. When designing a system you start with a simple task and add another simple task then another until it is capable of complex functions. All systems are made up of these building blocks and function the same whether it was conceived by nature or man. I do not relate to your statement "most systems degenerate". In natures engineering and in man's engineering there is an Intelligent designer needed for both. With time both systems degenerate. I can attest to both happening.

Check this out.

Look at every system that makes up a body.

Endocrine, Vascular, digestive, nervous, musclar, skeletal.....

If you separate them into the basics?

They still are fantastic sub-systems that all add up to the human form. What a blend of fantastic engineering.

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I got into trouble in Catholic school during a discussion about 'evolution' and 'religion'.

The easiest way to reconcile my schooling and my interest in science was to find a happy medium for difference between god and science.

I told the teacher that evolution was the way that 'god' had planned to create and evolve the planet.

When you start to look at how man showed up on the planet?

Why does there have to be an Adam/Eve/garden of Eden?

Why couldn't the story of creation be stretched over a few million years?

Isn't it more fun to look at god at a desk, pouring over blueprints trying to figure out how to put together the planet called earth?


Sometimes I think we are all a little jaded and way too proud to realize that we are not the only things that matter on the earth.

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Tomorrow, look at five things (nature) during your day and try to think of how they fit in and work in the world.

If we stop and look at god as a person who just tossed together the world in 7 days, actually 6, he took Sunday off?!?!?!?!

There's only so many hours in a week.;)

And if god worked in a union shop?

He have to have his overtime approved.

Sometimes even god needs his time card signed.;)

Richard

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Check this out.

Look at every system that makes up a body.

Endocrine, Vascular, digestive, nervous, musclar, skeletal.....

If you separate them into the basics?

They still are fantastic sub-systems that all add up to the human form. What a blend of fantastic engineering.

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These are just a few of the bodies systems that under normal circumstances work synergistically together. I believe that the body's Medical science is just that, a pure science. The problem, at this point in time, is they haven't figured it out yet. In recent years great strives have taken place in man's understanding of the human body but there is still a long way to go. In my dealings with doctors over the years( and there have been many) I have been exposed to Doctors who previously were Engineers. These were the only doctors that I have had dealings with that took a systems approach to the Body. Most doctors treat only pieces rather than looking at it as a complex synergistic machine. This is especially true when writing prescriptions for a
given SYMPTOM. In any system if you just treat symptoms you create problems in other parts of the system. You must find the problem before you can effectively treat it. Most of our Pharmaceutical industry is geared to just treating symptoms. We have an entire industry asleep at the switch. IMHO.