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An interesting clause...........
"Across three decades, Ratzinger was key to the appointment of bishops whose overriding commitment was the protection of pope-centered clerical authority. Terrified of acting on their own, they had one eye eternally on Rome. “Scandal’’ was their nightmare. Between an abused child and a predator priest, their choice was always simple: protecting the power structure meant protecting the priest."
If you read the link that I put in Post 101 it details how Ratzinger used "Vatican 2" to create the culture of secrecy that has spawned the churches present problems. While his intention may have been good the end results have turned into a disaster that even he, based on his recent declarations, must realize was a mistake. It is time for Vatican 3 to undo the Problems created by the Vatican 2 fundamentalist. The man now going by "Pope Benedict the 16th" was the leader of that group. He just about has to step aside for the present problems to be resolved.Quote:
"Across three decades, Ratzinger was key to the appointment of bishops whose overriding commitment was the protection of pope-centered clerical authority. Terrified of acting on their own, they had one eye eternally on Rome. “Scandal’’ was their nightmare. Between an abused child and a predator priest, their choice was always simple: protecting the power structure meant protecting the priest.
http://www.weirdload.com/ratzi-responsible.pdf
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Originally Posted by Grace
I wondered what happened to the great changes that Vatican II was
supposed to bring. I enjoyed Carroll's article. I don't know enough about
the "politics" of the church in Rome. Thanks for the link which I shall share.:)
LOLOLOLOL,
I refuse to read PDF documents with little numbers at the end of sentences.
Loved the Monty Python reference, but got lost when he started to 'pontificate' on all the stuff we already know, suspect and will never find out about the church.
Let's talk Baltimore Catechism instead?
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I still think Maureen Dowd needs to change the daguerreotype she uses in the headers of her columns, She hasn't aged well. She can still photoshop anything new she decides to go with.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL,
Casual Friday was the cause for child abuse in the church. They were hoping to burn out the Catholic School Girl fantasies that most of us guys that went to private school still have.
I remember looking up a plaid skirt or two wondering why the nuns were measuring the difference between the hem and top of the knee....:rolleyes::confused::o
Good. The guilty and their protectors must be punished by law. (And I don't mean Canon Law)Quote:
Originally Posted by kokopup
Hows about CANNON law, You know, like the guy at the circus, with out the net?:confused::eek:;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
Awwww sorry mate....I'm just a poor old uneducated protestant :pQuote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
We all pray to the same 'god' when we get into trouble.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wombat2u2004
Well most of us pray to the same God Richard, not all.
Having grown up Lutheran, (German Luthean) service was in German I was taught to believe that only God can forgive a sin.
Not a priest or a pope, but God.
So the whole Catholic confession thing is confusing and upsetting to me.
I did not understand how one can murder, rape and do other horrible sins, confess to a priest and be forgiven. How does this priest whom you might not even know, see into your heart? How can he know that you are truly sorry? Will the $500.00 you slip him make it easier to cheat on your wife next time and be forgiven once again? Priests are after all just men who went to school to study a certain line of thought and now as a job they wear a robe and pray, do weddings and funerals for a living. It is a job after all like being a nurse or judge, they too wear a uniform and deal with life and death. And even though the nurses see a human at their most frail, naked and frighened they do not tell them they can save their soul,
nor do Dr's or judges.
I believe only God can forgive, since only he holds the keys to heaven. Or does the priest e-mail his requests for souls before hand to let into the pearly gates? Do they send a permisson slip with that?
Maybe that's the bait. ;)
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Originally Posted by Cataholic
Cataholic makes a lot of sense in this post. I can understand some people thinking that letting priests marry might make a difference and in a small minority it might.
But many pedophiles, homosexulas are married and it doesn't change their mindset. There are as many sexual deviants in married couples that in all walks of life.
I'm sure many of us know of these odd couples who will spend hours watching porno , including porno of little children...are these not sexual deviants?
If marriage would be the answer to this problem then you wouldn't see these half *ss deviant couples having to turn to porno to satisfy themselves. When police raid their homes and come out with box after box of porn with little kids posing I'd say they are simply deviants regardless of the life they chose. Being married is another way for them to hide , just like hiding behind priesthood.
Your neighbour could be one of them and you would never suspect it from the facade he displays for the neighbourhood. Heck, some of these sickos even use their own kids and make them pose for videos...sick!!
It is true that at this late time, marriage will not fix the problem within the church, but it is a beginning. The original reason the church came up with the no marriage law was to remove the possibility that his offspring would have any claim on the church. Celibacy today is their way of insuring status quo. The Power of the Papacy is dependent now on keeping their Priest beholden to the powers in the Vatican. If there was a witch hunt today to root out all of the deviant Priest the church would collapse. It may collapse in spite of all they can do anyway. The payout for hush money is approaching 1.5 billion and with the coffers shrinking it may just be a matter of time. The Pope is in big trouble of his own making and it will become increasingly hard for him to talk out of both side of his mouth.
I do not agree with Cataholic of simplistic assessment of gays verse pedophile since there are gays that are also Pedophiles. It becomes a thing of opportunity when he is insured by THE POWERS that there is no penalty for getting caught. It is true that marriage does not insure that there will not be deviate behavior because we see in our general public married gays and pedophiles. The problem facing the RCC is they have inbred the priesthood that has become increasingly deviate in nature. Celibacy is not natural and no matter how hard the church has tried, it has not worked. A thousand years of failure should have taught them something. Vatican 2 was their chance to get it right but the current Pope as "Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith" saw to it that the cloak of secrecy returned to hide the guilty. Now as Pope Benedict the 16th he has a long rocky road ahead.
No, I don't agree with Cataholics post either. Too general, when a multitude of variables exist.
As I posted previously, priests must be held accountable for their crimes under the Common Law, and be punished as anyone else in the community would be for the same crimes....and add to that person or persons who have given sanctuary to the perpetrators, who use a religious establishment as a safe haven for them.
Marriage I believe would help the situation, as Bill said, it's a start.......and if it helps, then it has to be worth a shot.
I am aware that their are pedophiles, gays, pornographers, molesters, rapists etc etc in the community, married or not, nobody is disputing that here. But how would you feel if there were a special law to protect these people ??? I don't know Asiel if you have children, Cataholic has a child. I have children. Most people here on this forum have children.
Think about that.....!!!!!
A law....a very special law to protect those who violate children.
How do you think the community would react to that ????
I'm sure the community would have something to say to the lawmakers....do you think ????
But here we are accused of verbally attacking the Catholic church !!!!
Double standards ???? I believe so.
Of course I have children. If I didn't I wouldn't take this matter so seriously. I also count the hundreds of children who have passed through my doors to be part of mine. And yes, we do need a law that will bring justice for the crimes on our children but it never seems to get anywhere no matter how hard the general public tries. We've been fighting these crimes for ages and nothing seems to have come of it, the priests , bishops etc are still protected behind closed doors. The abused are the ones paying the piper.
Yes, that is true. But if public opinion becomes strong enough, perhaps something can be done about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiel