Max

[slick]

I know I don't post much anymore. Shhh! I'm doing this from work on a Friday. Very quiet here (boss from Hell has a day off today)

Max has been losing weight and losing hair. I took him to the vet and the news is not good. He's in severe renal failure. His Creatinine and Urea numbers have skyrocketed since January and he's skin and bones. Dr. Singh says I can either hospitalize him for 24 hours to receive fluids or I can administer sub-q fluids at home (I did this with Speckles shortly before she passed.)

I will chose the latter at some point. Right now he's in no discomfort, his input and output are good and he walks around with his furry tail up and talks up a storm when I get home from work. So all is good for now and I only pray that he says with me long enough to have another Christmas.

It breaks my heart to see him fading away but we all know they don't last forever. :( He will be 17 next month.

[Karen]

Awww, poor Max, but at least you have experience giving sub-q fluids. He'll be in our prayers.

[catmandu]

We are so sorry to hear that Max is not doing well ,
its so sad when our Fur Companions age and show us that they are in the words of my Vet , not immortal when talking about JJJ3 :(:(
We are praying that Max will have Christmas with you, and that he can have as good as health as possible.:love::love:
Hes such a Very Good Cat.:love::love::love:

[Medusa]

Oh no! I'm sorry about Max, Slick. Truly. Subq's always perked up my Puddy girl so maybe this will do the trick for Max. I sure hope so. Prayers on the way. Keep the faythe. :love:

[Taz_Zoee]

I am so sorry about Max. I am going through this exact same thing with Taz right now. I will learn how to give the injections tomorrow.
I will keep you and Max in my thoughts.

[Catty1]

{{{{{hugs}}}}

Glad to hear Max is still talking and being himself - good quality of life there!

Sub q fluids could do wonders for him and give him longer AND better time with you.

Prayers that Max thrives for as long as possible.

[Pinot's Mom]

I'm so sorry to hear about Max. I hope he continues to show no signs and is with you for some time. :love:

[wolflady]

I'm sorry to hear about Max too, but I'm glad he still seems alert and happy. I sure hope he can spend one more Christmas with you, it's such as special time.
Gentle **hugs**

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'm so sorry to hear this.:( I hope that the sub-q fluids will help him. You might also want to ask about giving him vitamin B12 injections. They really help sick kitties to feel much better too. I'll keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Aw, my dear friend, you know my prayers are with you and Sir Max!!! :love::love::love:

I know how it tears your heart out to see them get frail. I also know if you give them a gazillion hugs, cuddles, kisses and I love yous, it won't be enough.

I'll pray for you to have your Christmas together too. :love:

[Barbara]

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear about Max. Did he get sub-qs at the vet? That should have made him feel better right away.
It is so good that you know how to administer them. Filou has a trip to the vet scheduled every week for 4 years now and without them we wouldn't have him around anymore.
Sending big hugs to sweet Max and Meowmie.

[Randi]

Slick, I'm really sorry to hear how Max' health is declining. :( Can you start giving him sub-q fluids now? Perhaps a couple of times a week to begin with. It's a little consolation that his input and output are good and he's happy to see you. :)

Fister and I are sending gentle headbumpies, kisses and hugs. :love:

[Killearn Kitties]

The girls are sending all their best wishes for their good friend Max. :love:

I hope that he perks up with the fluids and you have him with you a while longer. Please give him a big, big hug from me.

[Edwina's Secretary]

To the Max -Max! You have some things left to do here.

Maybe a little friend would perk up Mr. Max???:D

[jenluckenbach]

Thoughts and prayers for you, Max (and for your meowmie too)

[Nomilynn]

Aww i'm so sorry to hear of this :( You and Max will be in my prayers :love:

[snowbelle15]

I'm so sorry to hear about Max. :( I hope he will get better. Max will be in my prayers. :love:

[gini]

I pray that Max will give you another Christmas together, Slick.

Such a gentleman he is - and how he loves you!!

You know that I am here for you!

xxoo
Me

[ChrisH]

Oh, slick, such sad news. :( Max and you are in my thoughts and prayers.

[zippy-kat]

{{Thinking and praying for you two. }}

[RedHedd]

Aw, Slick, I'm so sorry to read this. Mitzi is suffering from renal disease too. She's not in any discomfort, but I can tell she's lost weight and her fur isn't quite as shiny. As long as she's eating and chasing her tail, I know she's okay - maybe not 100%, but she's not in any discomfort. We shall both enjoy our critters for as long as they may be comfortable and happy. We don't want them to suffer.

[slick]

Thank you for your replies.

Max is losing all his hair on one side of his body. Not sure whether or not it's from the renal failure but we have a white coat appt on Thursday at 11:30. At that time, Dr. Singh will go over with me how to give sub-q fluids and he will shave a "launching pad" on the back of his neck (this due to the fact that it's hard to find the skin under all that persian fur.)

This rips me up inside.

[Medusa]

Oh, I'm so sorry about Max but you'll be surprised at how much he'll perk up after a subq. It could add years to his life or at least many, many months so don't give up hope. We're all pulling for Max and for you, Slick. Keep the faythe. :love:

[Randi]

Oh Slick, I'm really sorry! I so hope the sub-q fluids will help perk Max up! I believe it will. :)

I'm thinking of you and sending lots and lots of positive thoughts and hugs. :love:

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Extra prayers on the way for you and sweet Sir Max. :love::love::love:

[Taz_Zoee]

I will be thinking of you and Max.
I did Taz's sub-q's for the first time last night. I about had a breakdown before, but I did it! So I know you can do it too.

[momcat]

This is such sad news about Max. Many prayers are being prayed that Max will improve with the sub-q treatments. Please keep us up on how he's doing?

Sending gentle feel better scritchies and lovies to Max and many [[[[[HUGS]]]]] for you!

[slick]

Not as important as "kittens are coming" or our sweet Taz but here's an uppydate.

The vet visit went well. Dr. Singh doesn't know why the furloss; he doesn't think it's from the renal failure. He suggested adding Omega 3 oil to his food which I've started tonight.

He gave him his fluids for today and showed me how to do it. I also tried putting in the needle and it was a piece of cake. Max meowed at bit and I'm sure it hurt him a bit but he was a good boy during the fluid treatment.

The bad news is that he's lost some more weight in the last 10 days since he last saw the vet. The results from the stool sample will be a couple of days, but again, Dr. Singh doesn't think that parasites are present.

I'm leaving on an early flight on Friday morning and won't be back until Monday (this was planned months ago and flight is non-refundable). Max is in good hands; I have some wonderful catsitters but they won't be giving him the fluids but I'm sure he'll be just fine. When I get back on Monday I'll start him on a regime of fluids every night for the next couple of weeks then go and see Dr. Singh again.

I've got all my bases covered and I'm confident Max will be OK while I'm gone. Rest assured that this is the last trip I will every take now that Max is failing. I will be spending all my time now loving him and making his quality of life the best it can be.

Thank you for your thoughts and prayers! :love:

[Cinder & Smoke]

;)

SAFE Trip, Slick!

And Purrayers for Max that he'll be good for the Kat Sitters.

[Taz_Zoee]

Yes, this is important. Max is very important.
I hope we will both see improvements in our little guys here soon.

Taz and I will be thinking of you and Max. (and have a safe trip this weekend)

[jenluckenbach]

Not as important as "kittens are coming" or our sweet Taz but here's an uppydate.


No, this is MORE important.

Prayers for Max. I'll be thinking of you both.

[Medusa]

Good to hear that you were able to master subq's so quickly and easily. Max will be a different cat w/the treatments, believe me. You have a wonderful and safe trip and try not to worry about Max. He'll be fine and so will you. :)

[gini]

Have a wonderful weekend, Slick. Max is in good hands, I know.

Your dear boy will be waiting for you when you return.

[Randi]

I'm glad the vet visit went well and you find it easy to give Max the sub-q fluids. I'm sure he'll feel a lot better after! :) Sorry that he has lost weight though. :(

Slick, have a great trip and try not to worry. Max will be OK a few days without the fluids.

(((hugs)))

[phesina]

Prayers and a candle for Max and for you too, Slick.

[Barbara]

I would even go so far and say that Max is just as important as Filou is. If he got fluids for some days this week I think he'll be fine until you come back. And maybe it's not daily fluids for him. You know Filou is on weekly fluids for 4 years now while we were away he only got it 2 times in 3 weeks. He lost a little weight ( about 150 g) in the first week but got most of it back in the 2nd and 3rd and is now at his 2940 g- which he keeps for close to a year now. He has been at 2700 end of last year when we were so afraid to lose him.
So these are the ups and downs of purrents with a kidney kitty- but you will do the best for Max and he will have more quality time with you.

[slick]

I'm still out of town and return home to my beloved kitty tomorrow. Gosh I've sure missed him but during my stay here in Cranbrook, BC, I've met lots of dogs and cats and I do have some pictures I might post if they turned out.

I've been in touch with my cat sitters and my neighbour and Max is doing fine. Tomorrow evening with be day one of his fluid intake so we'll see how it goes. I'm thinking I will do it after he's eaten and has a full tummy and a bit settled down.

Barbara: yes, the vet did say that daily fluid intake is best for now until he gets some weight back on they we can taper down to 3 times a week eventually.

....but....this is just so hard.:(

[krazyaboutkatz]

I'm glad to hear that he's been doing well while you've been away.:) Hopefully the sub-q fluid treatments will go well and they'll help him out a lot. I'll continue to keep him in my thoughts and prayers.

[Medusa]

It'll be easier on you once you see how well Max is doing on the subq's. Better and better...:love:

[slick]

Max fights me every step of the way. It's become very stressful. This week I called Dr. Singh and asked him if every other day would be OK for him since he is still "fancy feast" driven :rolleyes: and eats like a pig in the evening. He said that every Mon, Wed, and Fri would be fine so starting tonight that will be his schedule.

It's a two person job and my neighbour Betty (she also stuck with me during my cancer recovery) is helping. I don't know what I would do without her.

By the way today marks Max's 17th purrffday. He was born on July 3, 1992. His mother is Nartuk Apricot Brandy (DOB Sept 2/90) and his dad is Nartuk Black Magic (DOB Feb 22/89). He was never registered but all of his ancestors were. :)

Thanks so much for your thoughts.:love:

[Karen]

Awww, happy birthday, big boy! Don't fight momma, okay? She is helping you, not hurting you, even if it doesn't feel like that.

[Killearn Kitties]

Happy Birthday sweet Max! At least you don't have to get fluids on your birthday today I am sending you lots of virtual hugs, cake and catnip! Have a good day. :love:

And be good when you are getting your fluids, naughty boy. ;)

[jenluckenbach]

Happy birthday Max!

[Randi]

Slick, the fact that Max is fighting shows that he's still got some pep in him, but I imagine it will be a bit of a struggle to give him fluids the first few times - I will send lots of calming thoughts. :) Be a good boy an sit still!

Fister and I wish you a day filled with cuddles, treats and catnip! :love:



Happy 17th Birthday, sweet Max!

[Medusa]

I agree w/Randi, fighting is good! LOL When my Puddy just laid there and knew that a subq was coming, I got worried. After a while, she was a good girl and kept still but I knew the difference. Now it's Pidgelet's turn. She refuses to sit down during the treatment. She stands up w/her back straight. Fun giving her the fluids that way. :rolleyes: We're still praying for Max, though, and you, too, of course. And give Max some good head scritchies from me for his birthday, please. :love:

[phesina]

Happy 17th, dear Max!!!!!

http://petoftheday.com/talk/picture.php?albumid=119&pictureid=955

[momoffuzzyfaces]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SWEET SIR MAX!!!! :love::love::love:

Have your mommy give you and extra big head kissie from me, ok? ;)
(enjoy your fluid free weekend - both of you )

[Barbara]

Fighting and gobbling up Fancy Feast- Max you are still going strong!
Happy 17th Purrthday, sweet boy.
Filou's and Tigris' purrents also have great names- but my boys said always they are too blue-blooded to just do shows. They understand Max fully ;)

[catmandu]

All the Best to You Max on Your 17th Purrthday
Especially from Senior Kittyzens Juke Joint Joseph, Princess the Purrfect and My Dream Cat Michael.
We are praying that you are not joining the Animal Angel Army just yet, you have more time to spend with Your Best Friend.
:love::love::love:

[katladyd]

Max, you're not getting older, you're getting better! Happy 17th! Are you already making your plans for next year's party?

[RedHedd]

Happy 17th Purrthday sweet Max! It's Mitzi's 8th B'day today (or at least the day we celebrate).

don't give your meomie too much of a bad time - she's trying to help you.

Mishi was so good about his Sub-Q's - he just took it all in stride. I'm afraid when the day comes when I have to give Mitzi sub-Q's because I KNOW she will fight me

[Queen of Poop]

Sorry it's a day late, but Happy Birthday Max!!

[krazyaboutkatz]

HAPPY BELATED 17th BIRTHDAY MAX!!! It sounds like you're still going strong but please let your meowmie give you the fluids that you need so you can here a lot longer with her.:)

[slick]

Max says "thank you for all my purrffday wishes, but Meowmie jabbed me anyway!"

I bought some more fluids today and also exchanged the big needles for smaller ones. I know that means it will take longer for him to get the necessary amount of fluid but I'd rather him have 15 min. of comfortable jab than 5 min of a painful one.

I already had some smaller ones left over from a few years ago and last night I used one of them. What a difference. He just laid there. It's still a two person job, but not once did he wince or try to get away.

Just for fun, I visited two shelters this weekend - the Vancouver SPCA and the Burnaby SPCA. The reason why I went was to see if I was "kitty worthy" that is, would I ever be "chosen." You see, with Speckles and Max, I was not chosen. I chose them - sight unseen.

So yesterday at the Vancouver shelter I was "chosen" by a senior grey tabby kitty named Charlie. The minute I sat down in the chair he was all over me and sitting on my lap, he reached up and put one paw on my sholder and just looked into my eyes straight on. Then the same day in another room I was "chosen" again by a long-haired senior tuxie girl. She is a licker and my chin and both arm got a good bathing.

Today I was "chosen" by Otis:
http://bcspcapets.shelterbuddy.com/animal/animalDetails.asp?animalid=86935&result=13
Literally, he was all over me and my purse. He even looked at me with those dreamy "I love you" eyes. I really had to dig deep and be strong enough to leave him there.

I just can't bring another kitty into my home right now. Max hates other cats and right now I need to concentrate and making the end of his life as comfortable as possible.

So what did I learn this weekend? When I look for my next furbaby, he/she will be an unwanted senior, rescued from a stainless steel cage. I also know that I want to someday again, volunteer for a rescue organization - hands on with cats. The most important lesson I learned is that I "can" do this. I "can" give sub-q fluids and I spoke with Max and told him that this is for his own good and that it would make him feel better. I also said that I will not abandon him. I will stay with him until the very end.

.....then he yelled at me for more food. :rolleyes::love:

[jenluckenbach]

Good for you Slick! you gave those cats some much needed loving and I bet it felt good, too! :love: None of us can help ALL of them, but we can touch the lives of a few.
As for being strong enough to help Max, we all knew you could do it! Strength, I believe, comes from love.

[RICHARD]

So what did I learn this weekend? When I look for my next furbaby, he/she will be an unwanted senior, rescued from a stainless steel cage.

So, I guess I am out of contention?;)

Happy Birthday Max!

[Edwina's Secretary]

Slick...amen natal sister.....you will always be chosen....

[slick]

OK. I think I've screwed up. The IV line won't flow.
See attachment. I squeezed that little thing (whatever you call it) just to see what would happen. Now it's full of fluid and it won't flow down the line. What do I do? :confused:

[Taz_Zoee]

OK. I think I've screwed up. The IV line won't flow.
See attachment. I squeezed that little thing (whatever you call it) just to see what would happen. Now it's full of fluid and it won't flow down the line. What do I do? :confused:

I had this exact same thing happen to me with Taz's fluids. Here's what I did. I turned the bag upside down and squeezed some of the fluid back into the bag.

[slick]

OMG Taz. You are a lifesaver. Thank you, that worked. I'd love to speak to you someday. PM me with your phone number if you want to touch base. :love:

[katladyd]

I love how all the wonderful people on this site support each other.:love: I suppose if a cat loves you, there is an immediate trust, isn't there.;)

[slick]

Well, I'm not sure if I'm giving him enough fluids but I'm doing my best.
Last night was a rough one. He was extra hungry so I opened up a second small can of fancy feast (only chicken and liver flavour will do, thank you very much) :rolleyes:. About 20 min after eating I noticed that he was scooting and trying to have a BM - he looked constipated. Finally he let loose right by the front door. I cleaned him and the floor up, then he proceeded to throw up about 4 times. He completely emptied his tummy, then he just laid around. I finally went to bed around midnight but was up every couple of hours checking on him.

This morning he was meowing at me then crawled up on the dining room chair and that's where I left him. I'm at work right now.

I feel sick to my stomach. As hard as this is, I've got to persevere.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Aw, slick, I'm so sorry! I hope you are both feeling better by this evening!
Extra prayers on the way for you both. :love::love:

[Taz_Zoee]

I am in tears for you. I know too well how you are feeling right now. While Taz didn't throw up, he wasn't eating anything but a teeny bit of tuna I'd give him after meds.

Are you giving him fluids every day? If not, maybe you could start. That's what the vet suggested to me but then I made the other choice. :(

Hugs going out to you.

[jenluckenbach]

Cyber {{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'm sorry you're having some rough times right now.:( I hope that things will improve with Max. I'll keep both of you in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[ChrisH]

Poor, poor, Max, and you too. I so hope he is doing better today.

Continuing to keep you both in my prayers. {{hugs}}

[Barbara]

I'm really sorry to hear that.
The good signs: he wants to eat. That means the fluids are working.
If he has diarrhea however he might lose more liquid than you can get into him.
I hope it was just a one time thing- it sometimes is.
Hugs to you.

[Randi]

Slick, I'm so sorry that Max and you are going through this, but you're doing what you can. It's a good sign that he wanted to eat, but not so good that it came back up. :( Try to give him very small amounts at a time. I so hope he'll perk up after getting some fluids.

Fister and I are thinking of you and sending lots of positive thoughts. :love:

(((Hugs)))

[Lizzie]

I've been through this several times also, and it's such a roller-coaster ride of highs when they eat well and look totally relaxed when they sleep, and lows when all their body functions seem to go into disorder and they look miserable. I guess Max threw up because he had difficulty pooping, the straining would have pushed up into his stomach, at least that's what I've always thought with mine. I just lost foster Alexander to renal failure and he had a really difficulty time in the litter box, leaving part behind and dropping pieces on the floor as he walked, and towards the end simply walking away from his dish and pooping on the kitchen floor. As I said before, it seems to disorder all their body systems.

With all of mine I used to give fluids every other day, then every day, then twice a day as the renal failure progressed. However, they do reach a point where no amount of fluids given in any way will take away the dehydration.

I'm really sorry that you and Max are going through this very difficult time. Is he still enjoying attention? (I didn't read through the whole thread since, like you, I post at work and have a tough boss.)

[Medusa]

Oh I sure hope that things turn around for Max. (((HUGS))) to you, Slick, and gentle pets to our Max. :love:

[catmandu]

Juke Joint Joseph is going through this too, one day he will eat, and the next day he wont touch anything but milk, and a dab of Cheese Whiz.
:(
His legs are not staedy, and he has to have his food put under his nose.
I wish we could bring Max to the outdoor enclosure as JJJ3 really perks up out there.:love:
Our Prayers for Max:love: and we know that Spreckles Angel :love:is there too comfort her old friend.
:love::love::love:

[katladyd]

I'm praying for both Max and Joseph. May they both have many more good days than bad!:love:

[slick]

I just don't know if I can do this. Last night was another bad night. When it came time for his fluids, he ran and hid. I had to dig him out from behind my bed. When I finally got him "in position", he wouldn't sit still because he was anticipating the pain of the needle. I did get the fluids in but I know it's causing him pain. Afterwards he hid again and I didn't see him until this morning.

Lizzie, yes, that's exactly what Max is going through now but he did have a poop last night which is good. Yes, he loves attention but not so much lately because I represent needles and pain. His T4 levels are normal btw.

I have to weigh the options. Is it better to cause him pain and give the fluids (which he doesn't seem to be responding to) or do I do nothing and give him what seems like a better quality of life? I know he's not ready to go yet because he's still very hungry and pees and talks up a storm when I get home from work. God, this is so hard. We have a whitecoat visit scheduled for tomorrow morning. Sorry for rambling.:(

[Barbara]

I would be surprised if he needed the fluids 3 times a week now. Filou gets them weekly and we go to the vet.
He hates being caught on Tuesday mornings but he forgives us quickly. If it wasn't that often for Max I am sure he could cope easier.
Good luck tomorrow- he sounds as if he still has a lot of spunk.

[Medusa]

Forgive me but I wonder if the needle really is causing him that much pain because you switched to a thinner gauge, correct? The initial pin prick only hurts for a second, as we know, and after that it really doesn't hurt them. I do know what you mean about his running and hiding, though. When my Puddy saw me coming, she beat feet, too, but she always felt so much better afterwards that I felt better, too. Now it's Pidge who refuses to sit down during the treatment and I have to administer it while she stands up and tries to bolt. I've noticed lately, though, that she does have loose stools after a treatment. Gosh, it's so difficult to know what to do. Ultimately, you know Max better than anyone and if you truly feel that his quality of life is gone or significantly diminished, then you have your answer. I wish it was easier. (((HUGS))) :love:

[Taz_Zoee]

Well, I just have to applaud both of you (Slick and Mary) on giving fluids by yourself. There's no way I could have done Taz's alone. I would have taken him to the vet every other day if Bruce wasn't here.
Did they show you to gently massage the area where the fluid is going in to help the flow go better? At least I think that's what it did. I did that, but sometimes that would make him jumpy. I think maybe because I'd rub too close to the needle.

I'm still hoping he gets better soon.

[slick]

Forgive me but I wonder if the needle really is causing him that much pain because you switched to a thinner gauge, correct? I went back to the larger one because the smaller one was taking 15-20 min and after about 5 min he was getting really antsy. I may try the smaller one again, but tonight I'm giving him a night off. I'll see what the vet says tomorrow morning.

Taz - it is a two person job and my good friend and neighbour down the hall comes over every night to assist. I don't know I would do without her. No, they didn't show my about the massaging bit but I'm sure that would make him go berserk. I'll try to call you on Sunday night.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Lots of prayers flying from me for you both. Extra on the way for tomorrow's vet visit!!! :love::love:

[RedHedd]

I'm wondering why it's hurting him so much. When I was giving Mishi fluids, they showed me how to pull the loose skin up from the neck and put the needle into that loose skin. The vet showed me where there were virtually no nerves so it shouldn't hurt them very much, if at all.

Of course, all cats are different when it comes to treatment. While I know Mitzi behaves and lets the vet techs do what they need to do when she's there, when it's her meowmie doing it at home, she knows to run and hide. I dread the day I have to give her Sub-Q's and hope it's a long way off, although she's been having good and bad days too and I know it's her kidneys. She's being watched closely.

[phesina]

Do you think it would help if you warmed the fluid up before giving it to Max? I've seen it make a difference in some cases. I gather that room temperature fluid flowing into the cat's system can be uncomfortable because it is much cooler than the bodily temperature.

Put the fluid bag in a sink basin or bowl full of warm water, enough to cover it, for a few minutes. Then, when the bag feels warm (but not hot), hang it up again and administer the fluid to the cat.

Sending prayers for you and Max as you both work so hard to make this time comfortable for him.

Hugs and purrs,
Pat and cats

P.S., I also lit a candle: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=8749714

[kb2yjx]

I have not read this thread, and I am so sorry about your Max!!! I am not a pro, but in the past, I have had 7 cats with kidney disease. I found this site: www.felinecrf.org to be very helpful. Helen, the woman who runs the site, is very knowledgeable.If you have a question, she does answer(she did when I had a problem). Per her suggestion, I put the needles in the freezer before inserting them into my cat. It worked several times. Like phesina said, it really helps to warm up the fluids. I use 18gx1" needles. Once the needle is in, I open the control all the way, and let the fluid go in. Unlike the needle being in a vein, there is no chance that an infiltration will occur. It goes much faster. I can hydrate a real fussy cat in about three minutes---tops. I have tried the smaller needles, but, like you found, it took FOREVER for the 100cc's to go in...and when the cat thinks it is time to move on, it is really hard to keep them still so all the fluid can go in. I hope this may help....and I will light a candle for your boy....Take Care....also, I have usually Mozart on the CD's, that seems to help the cat relax...That photo has Boo getting her sub q fluids, supervised by Nicholas(both RB Angels)....Sandra

[Grace]

Take Care....also, I have usually Mozart on the CD's, that seems to help the cat relax...That photo has Boo getting her sub q fluids, supervised by Nicholas(both RB Angels)....Sandra


Interesting about the Mozart. With my cats, it has always been Bach that soothed them.

[kb2yjx]

Actually, Grace, I forgot that the cats seem to enjoy Bach, as well....also Samuel Barber's Adaggio for Strings....

[emily_the_spoiled]

I had to give Oliver sub-q fluids for about six months and I found that warming the fluids helped ALOT. I had an extender set that gave me more IV line to work with and I just put the IV line in a warm water bath so it was warmed as it went through the line.

The other thing I did was to give Oliver some "treats" while running the fluids. The treats could be dry food (I don't feed dry food normally so it is a treat) or some canned wet food. This would keep him still long enough for the fluids to be administered. (BTW I also use an 18 gauge needle)

[slick]

OMG, what a great idea to warm up the solution and the line. My neighbour did mention last week that the solution could be cool going in, but I never thought about warming it up. I'll definitely try that if I have him home tonight. I am also using an 18 gauge needle but I have the smaller 20 gauge ones too.

As for feeding him during treatment, well he always stands up to eat so I'm not sure how practical that will be but hey, I'll give anything a go right now. I'll try the treats first and if that doesn't work, I know he'll go for the Fancy Feast.

He didn't eat as much last night as he has been but he did have a very small poop. Right now he is sleeping peacefully on the dining room chair, oblivious to the fact that an hour from now he'll be with Dr. Singh.

I also have to say, and put in a plug for my vet. Dr. Singh is the absolute best ever. He is caring, compassionate, patient with me and let's me pay him off in installments. He always returns my phone calls and answers all my questions in terms that I understand. I've been with him since 1997 and what a blessing it is to have someone who gives me the straight goods and not pussyfoot (excuse the pun :D) around.

Well, I'm off to get ready.

[emily_the_spoiled]

Based on my experience with Oliver eating during the fluids, it was never a problem and it made it sooooooooooo much easier because he would then stand in on stop

[Lizzie]

I'm sure warming the fluids, both the bag and line, will make a big difference in how Max accepts the fluids. It will take a few sessions before he realizes it isn't uncomfortable any more, of course, but then he will be "normally" antsy about it. Watching your cat's behavior/reaction and trying to assess what they are telling you can be a very difficult translation job. I thought Diego was hiding from me because he was already in some pain when it was time for his meds, which are given through an oesophageal tube because the pain is in his mouth, but it finally dawned on me that the pain meds (given always in warm water) might be hard on his stomach. Now I give about 20cc of well warm watered down baby food first and he's started letting me scoop him up more easily and will relax and purr while the procedure is done. Sometimes you feel so dumb that you didn't figure things out sooner.

I hope you can get Max into a plateau time, that can last for many, many months, where he is coping with treatment and has a fair quality of life.

[slick]

They kept my baby boy overnight. I pick him up at 10am tomorrow morning. He is extremely dehydrated in spite of my efforts. :(

On my way to work now.

[gini]

Oh, baby Max - please get better for your Mom.

[Taz_Zoee]

Well, I hope the overnight stay in the hospital will get him back on the right track. I probably should have done that with Taz in the beginning too.
I know it will be a LONG night without your baby, but hang in there.

HUGS!!

[Barbara]

We keep all our paws and fingers crossed for Max.

[Randi]

Slick, I'm sorry to hear Max was so dehydrated, but tonights dose at the vet will hopefully change that! I know you're on pins to hear news, but try to relax and get a good nights sleep, that's the best you can do for him - and he'll be home with you tomorrow, hopefully feeling a lot better. :)

My thoughts are with you, and Fister and I have all paws and fingers crossed for Max. :love:


(((hugs)))

[nepeta]

I warm the fluids by filling a thermos with hot tap water and just draping the line through the warm water. The line is so thin the fluid comes out comfortably warm to the touch. I happened to have a quart thermos on hand but the size shouldn't matter.


I use the 20 G needles. It takes about 6 minutes for 150 cc.


I also confine the cat in a "Klaw Kontrol" bag. It works better for restraining the cat than the "burrito wrap" in a towel. Even the squirmiest cats can't get out easily. It also seems to help calm the cat down. "Calm" is a relative term.

Are you suspending the bag higher than the cat? I put a hook up on the wall and suspend the bag from there. Higher = faster flow.


Good luck with Max.

[Killearn Kitties]

We have everythig crossed here for our Max tonight. :love: Please get better baby.

[nepeta]

If the fluid flow was very slow, you may have gotten the needle into muscle rather than in the sub-q space. If so, just shut off the flow, and remove and re-insert the needle in a slightly different spot.

[kb2yjx]

I spoke with our vet about when the fluids slows down. I told her I use the same technique that I did with IV's, wiggle the needle, it can be positional. I have never withdrawn the needle, put on a new needle, and reinserted it. The cat would not stand for that!!! Sometimes, if you just pull the needle back a teeny tiny bit, it helps getting the fluids flowing again...I have also fed a cat while giving it sub q. Spunky was IMPOSSIBLE, so I would cut up some cheese and mix it into baby food. While he was gobbling away, I could insert the needle, and get him hydrated. As you can see in the photo of Boo and Nicholas, despite Boo sitting up, the fluid still went in!!!

[kb2yjx]

Okay, I forgot the photo!!! SORRY.....

[kb2yjx]

Also, PLEASE do not reinsert the SAME needle into the cat again....EVER!!! Once the needle is inserted and then reinserted, it causes PAIN because after the needle is used once the tip is NO LONGER SHARP.

[slick]

KB2yjx: Thank you so much for your weath of knowledge. Gosh I love this site. The emergency vet (not my regular one) told me I could use the same needle 3 times before changing it, but I will heed your advice from now on. I'll stop by the vet's tonight on my way home to buy a bunch more needles. Question for you - what good does it do to put the needles in the freezer before insertion? Does it dull the pain somehow? Also, many thanks for the website link. I will check it out this weekend. That photo is soooo cute!

Lizzie: Many thanks for your input and sharing your experience.:)

Mary: I can't thank you enough for your advice and support.:)

Nepeta:
I warm the fluids by filling a thermos with hot tap water and just draping the line through the warm water. The line is so thin the fluid comes out comfortably warm to the touch. I happened to have a quart thermos on hand but the size shouldn't matter. I'm trying to visualize this. If I see this right the line comes down from the bag and kind of gets coiled around in the thermos of hot water then the needle end comes out of the thermos into kitty? :confused: Many thanks for the link to the Klaw Kontrol. If Max becomes a problem child, I definitely invest in one.

Phesina: That candle gives me LES. :( Many thanks for your kind words.

In my computer/freezer/litterbox room I have a hook up high on the closet door where the bag hangs. I have a soft blankie on top of the freezer and that's where I do what Max would call the dasterdly deed. I just have to figure out how I'm going to warm up the line while it's flowing. I'm sure that I'm poking him in the right spot because I can see the water collecting under his skin. He jolts/squirms when the needle first goes in, then calms down a bit.

I have a 3 day weekend so will be able to spend some extra time with Max.

Thank you everyone else for your love and prayers. It means more to me than you will ever know and I'm riddled with guilt that I have not been able to be there for all of you. :( I'm so sorry and will endeavour do better.

I'm going to try and get some pictures of him this weekend to post.

[nepeta]

Your description of the line coming down from the bag, coiling around in the thermos of hot water, with the needle end coming out of the thermos and into the cat is exactly right.

[Cinder & Smoke]

Here's a rather well-written article about one man's method of administering
Sub-Q Fluids to his Kat.

The first part lists dozens of helpful sites that can be consulted for additional help
and suggestions; and some Bulletin Board sites.

The second part goes into a very detailed How-To instruction set.

http://weirdstuffwemake.com/weird/stuff/pets/cats/sophia/catjuice.html

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'm sorry to hear that Max has to stay at the vet.:( Hopefully he'll feel much better tomorrow and from now on you won't have any more problems/issues with giving him his sub-q fluids. I'll be keeping both of you in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[Cinder & Smoke]

Also, PLEASE do not reinsert the SAME needle into the cat again .... EVER!!!

Once the needle is inserted and then reinserted,
it causes PAIN because after the needle is used once the tip is NO LONGER SHARP.

And >>>

The needle is NO Longer "sterile" once it touches the fur and/or "dirty" skin.

RE-using a needle three times :eek: is TWO Times too many! ;)

[kb2yjx]

Cinder and Smoke!!! Thank you for pointing out the STERILITY factor in reusing the SAME needle!!! SLICK!!! I sent you a pm.....I hope Max is OK...I lit a candle for you both....

[gini]

Dear friend, thinking of you and Max this morning. I will call you over the weekend.

xxoo Gini

[Taz_Zoee]

I'm a little shocked about the vet saying you can use the needle three times. :eek: My vet gave me a bag of needles to last for one bag and when I went to get another bag they'd give me more needles. They even specifically told me with his epogen shot that the needle can only do two sticks - once into the vial and once into his skin.

I hope you made it through the night without Max at home. And I am also hoping to hear some good news when you pick him up this morning. I will be busy today, but will try to check in on this thread as often as possible.

[slick]

Max is home and he's pacing the floors sniffing everything making sure nothing is out of place. He eyes do look more sparkly this morning so I'm sure I made the right decision. He talked up a storm on the say home.

Dr. Singh said and I quote "he ate his regular dry food like there is no tomorrow" and he had this big grin on his face. This is a good thing.:)

I told him that I would need a box of needles because I would only use one per treatment and he said sure. As I have stated before, I love Dr. Singh but I hate the girl at the front desk. She gave me a handful of needles, I paid and came home. Upon inspection of the bill ($300:eek:) I discovered that she charged me for 30 needles and I only walked out with 9. So it's another trip to the vet as soon as I post this.

I asked Dr. Singh about Max's drooling during treatment and he said that it was due to stress because he even drooled while they were trying to shave his leg for the IV. Dr. Singh also sent me home with some liquid meds for his tummy - it's called Famotidine and I'm to give him .15 ml every 12 hours. He says that Max's tummy had some inflammation due to the toxins building up in his system and this would calm it down. Before I give Max any of this I'm going to google and research this med.

KB: Many thanks for your lovely PM's I will respond when I get back from the vet.

Phred: I know you care :love: and yes, I understand about the sterility part.

Gini: Any time today is best for me.:love::love:

Taz: I'll call you tomorrow night.:love:

Having been satisfied that apartment is same as when he left it, Max has now taken his perch on the dining room chair and I expect he'll be snoozing shortly.

I'm off to the vet.

[Killearn Kitties]

I'm so glad to hear that Max is doing a bit better today. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he settles down a bit and doesn't fight you. :love:

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'm so glad to hear that Max is now home and doing well.:) The Famotidine is Pepcid. Did your vet give you pills, chews, or the liquid kind? When my Ziggy was sick I had the liquid form and while I would give her sub-q fluids I would inject the Famotidine into the port of the sub-q line. This way you don't have to prick her again. I hope that things will go smoothly from now on. Good luck.:)

[momoffuzzyfaces]

So glad Sir Max is home and feeling perkier!!! Extra gentle (((HUGS))) for you both!!! :love::love:

[Barbara]

I can't believe she cheated on the needles!
But I'm glad Sir Max is better :D

[Catty1]

SO glad to hear that Max is perkier. :)

That vet receptionist...! Could you live on her salary? Take her job! ;)

[Medusa]

So good to read that Max is doing better. My local vet receptionist told me that I could reuse the needles as long as I wiped them w/alcohol before insertion but she said to do it a maximum of one time (for a total of using the same needle twice) because the needle would get dull. I didn't want to hurt my Puddy, so after one or two times of that, I started using a fresh new needle each time and I do the same w/Pidge. My local vet has only one person watching the desk at all times, so I go there only for routine things. It's tough when you love the vet but can't stand the help. My other vet who is much farther away is great and so are his staff. It makes quite a difference in our outlook when we know that everyone is on our side. Please know that we pray w/out ceasing here, Slick. :love:

[phesina]

So glad to read how much better Max is doing back home now!!!

You rock, Max!

[kb2yjx]

WOW!!! What great news about Max!!! Hope you got all your money back from the vet office....and YOU get a good night sleep!!!! HUGS, prayers, and candles.....

[katladyd]

Yeah Max! I am so glad you are better. I was really worried about you the last couple of days! Thank your Meowmie for taking such good care of you. :love: Hugs and kisses and be nice for your meds, okay?

[emily_the_spoiled]

I am glad that Max is doing so much better after his stay with the vet.

You should only use a needle ONCE. More than once it will develop little burrs and loose it's sharpness causing pain and discomfort when they are injected under the skin.

BTW, you know that you can buy all the supplies online including the fluids and necessary equipment. I like my vet but they are mucho$$$$, so it was cheaper to order everyone from the Internet.

[kb2yjx]

Actually, I was going to suggest what the above post has just done, and that is buying CRF supplies via the internet. On the CRF site that I posted, was where I found the place I use. Brico, here in Edison, NJ. They cannot be any nicer, and our vet cannot bet the prices.....Maybe it would be worth a try instead of buying needles and other supplies from your vet....Hope Max is having a really good Sunday....you, too.....

[katladyd]

Yes, I always buy my cats medicine online. Waaay cheaper!

[slick]

Fluid and line warming up now, needle in the freezer, Max asleep in dining room chair. Little does he know......or maybe he does.:eek:

I spent quite a number of hours yesterday on line following all the links you guys have given me. Wow, I didn't know that I knew so little about this.

Some steps I've taken:
- I spoke to my local pharmacy at Safeway (and gave them a sample) about them ordering the needles for me. I will hear more tomorrow.
- I also researched to see if I can order supplies on line. Only trouble is I'm in Canada and anything shipped to me from the States comes with a hefty tax and duty to pay at the post office upon pickup, not to mention the Exchange rate. Will continue to look.
- I did go back to my vet and she just wrote the bill wrong. The needles are 30 cents a piece. The b girl at the front desk told me that a bag lasts 10 days and with each bag I will purchase 10 needles. She said stockpiling them is not encouraged. When I told her she only gave me 9, she went in the back and brought out one for me. She never apologized. I will call Dr. Singh tomorrow and see if he can order me in a box of needles and maybe give me a price break because with all the years I've been seeing him, I'm sure I've all but paid for his new BMW SUV by now.:rolleyes:

So that's where it stands now. Taz: I'll call you when it's all done and update this post.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I believe you have a couple friends in the US who can always help out with shipping things....if you know what I mean!;);)

Go Max Go!!!

[Cinder & Smoke]

- I also researched to see if I can order supplies on line.

Only trouble is I'm in Canada and anything shipped to me from the States
comes with a hefty tax and duty to pay at the post office upon pickup,
not to mention the Exchange rate. Will continue to look.

Suggestion:

Do some more Googling - look for Canadian Vet Suppliers - or at laest
a USA-based company with a seperate Canadian division that Warehouses
its stock, Ships, and Bills from a Canadian address. That otta save a lot of
the cross-border upcharges, duties, and BS that comes with a shipment
from our not-so-good ole USA! :rolleyes:

But another thing to consider ...
Are you really going to "save" that much cold, hard cash to make the
alternate sourcing worthwhile??
Unless you Vet is doubling the price on everything ... I've found the "savings"
to be had by eliminating the Vet's NOT-so-huge "markup" isn't worth all
the phuss & bother I spend to "save" it.

Happie Shopping!

;)

[ChrisH]

I was so glad to read that Sir Max was feeling better after his stay at the vets. Hope giving him the fluids went well?

Prayers & good thoughts continuing.

[emily_the_spoiled]

The other place to ask for information is your local hospital outpatient pharmacy. They will at least have the bags of fluid and the IV lines...

[kb2yjx]

Slick!!! I went to the crf site that I gave you. There is alot of info for people in Canada who want to purchase supplies. I found Pacific Health Care, they are selling 100 needles for $6.65. Be sure to check out that site!!!!!

[Nomilynn]

hey there,

I'm not sure what I can do - if anything - but please call me if you need anything! I will PM you my info again :)

Naomi

[slick]

OMG, you guys are terrific. Max had a night off last night because my neice was in town and I went to dinner with my Mom, SIL, neice. Didn't get home until well after 9:30 and Max was starving. I figured one night off couldn't hurt.

I have lots to update on this thread but I'm leaving for w-u-r-k soon. Will update later today - after 5:30.

Thanks Nomi :love: and thanks KB. That place is in Surrey...about 15 min away from me. I can go and pick them up. :) I'll do more looking at their site if I get a minute today - providing my boss from H is not breathing down my neck.

Later guys.

[Lizzie]

I'm looking forward to your update, which I can read at my workplace tomorrow before my boss gets in, and am very, very pleased that Max is feeling much better.

I buy needles, bags of fluids, and lines for CRF cats, vetwrap, medical tape, gamgee, and feeding syringes for Diego who has an oesopheal tube, supplements and treatments for other cats, all online from KV Vet (it's in the U.S.) and it has saved me literally hundreds of dollars.

[slick]

I just spoke to Pacific Health....boy what a nice guy, and nice looking from his picture on the website.

He quoted me
needles - 20 gauge - $7.35/box of 100
18 gauge - $6.45/box of 100
1000 mg bag saline - $5.85 (compared to $12 at the vet :eek:)

Delivery is $5.25 - it's still a bargain.

I just have to make a decision what needles to order. He says that the majority of people who order from him for CRF cats order the smaller 20 gauge.

More later.

[Lizzie]

I use 18 gauge needles, 1" most of the time. The only time I've used 20 gauge was on a very small cat who couldn't cope with the 18 though she also had a hard time with how long the fluids took to go into her. Perhaps they sell more of the 20 gauge because people are afraid of hurting their cat, or because in the later stages CRF cats become very thin and their skin becomes more sensitive.

Do you have a spare line on hand? I always have some spare ones now because there were a few occasions when I'd get distracted as I was putting the catheter into the bag and I'd hit the rim of the opening, contaminating the catheter.

[kb2yjx]

I use the 18x1 and the fluids go in nicely....

[slick]

The fluids were very hard to get into him tonight. He fought and fought and wiggled and wiggled. Yes, it was warm but no, didn't freeze the needle. I tried giving him some treats during treatment but he wants none of it. He just fights and sticks his tongue way out and drools the whole time. After treatment, he hides and won't come for any treats. He's miserable and so am I.:(:(

Is this quality of life? Am I doing him justice??? I'm in tears over this. Taz: just tried to call and got voice mail. Didn't leave a message - decided I need to get myself together before talking on the phone. Perhaps another night.

I'm going to make myself some dinner now and settle down. Bless all of you who take this in stride. My hat is off to you and I wish I could be who you are.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'm sorry to hear that Max is being difficult to handle while trying to give him his fluids.:( I wish that he knew that you're only doing this to help him.

I've only had to give sub-q fluids for short periods of time to my cats and I did manage to do it alone. I'd put them in my small bathroom and shut the door and then hang the bag from a hook that's on the back of the door. I'd kneel down and put them between my knees to help hold them so they wouldn't move as much. Luckily my bathroom's so small that they couldn't really run and hide if they wanted to. I hope that things will get easier for you both with time.

Maybe you should look into buying Max a klaw kontrol bag from Drs. Foster & Smith or a cat sack which you can buy online. I'll continue to keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[Medusa]

I'm sorry that you're having such a hard time w/this, Slick. I wish I could pull a trick out of my bag but I got nothin'. Everyone here has given you such good advice that my comments would just be redundant. I'll continue prayers for both you and Max. That will be my contribution. Keep the faythe. (((HUGS))) :love:

[Taz_Zoee]

Well, after reading your last post, I am very glad I called you back last night.

Hugs to you!! And to Max. :)

[Lizzie]

Those of us who have gone through this know exactly how you feel - the dread, the guilt, the anguish, the questions, the frustration, the tears, I'm afraid it's what you have to go through in order to help Max. He will probably get better about coping with the procedure in time and he will learn to separate the times when you have to give him fluids from the rest of his time with you. You will learn how best to handle him, and it will become a routine - not one you look forward to, but one that is part of your day. These early days are the worst time, except the much later time when your CRF cat gets so thin that you can barely get a needle in - then you wish he was bucking and writhing again.

I give fluids alone also, and I also kneel down with the cat between my knees. I've had cats that have bucked and writhed so frantically that the needle has come out and I had to learn to keep a few extra by me on the floor so I could put on a new one and start again. My cats have slashed, snarled, thrown themselves on their sides and backs, whirled like dervishes. Sometimes I've had to scruff them and hold up the pocket of skin in the same hand then push in the needle with the other, then grip their shoulders hard with my knees. I think I've had only one cat that simply lay there and that was a foster who was in late stage CRF.

Give both of you a treat after each treatment, that's what I do. A relaxing video, cup of tea and chocolate biscuit for me, and a cuddle session for them.

[phesina]

Thinking of you and Max, Slick, and sending you loads of love and encouragement.

{{{{{HUGS}}}}} and ~~~~~~PURRS~~~~~~.
Pat, Peony, Sydney, Poppy, Elmer, Bob, and Sparkler

P.S., and another candle: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=8785198

[slick]

the dread, the guilt, the anguish, the questions, the frustration, the tears, Oh Lizzie, you must be lurking into my soul. Yes, I've gone through all of this and more. Bless you for all you do.

Phesina: LES. Thank you soooo very much. You are so sweet for doing that.:love:

Mary: Any words are a help right now. Thank you! :love:

Taz: I loved talking to you and felt much better for it. Thank you! :love:
(gee, I've used alot of :love:'s in this message...)

So how does this grab you for prices:
100 x 20 G needles = $7.35 (7 cents each)
3 bags of saline = $17.55 (5.85 ea)
Total = $32.17 incl taxes and delivery
I ordered all of this from Pacific Health Care this morning (Wed) at 10am and it was delivered at my work at 3:30pm same day. :eek: What incredible service.
I owe it all to you KB for finding that for me. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. :love:

Last weekend I purchased from Safeway 100 x 18 G needles but they are 1 1/2" long. I'll just insert 1" approx.

So I have 100 18 G and 100 20 G. That's fine with me. I'm going to try the 20 G tomorrow night and see how he tolerates it. I will get this right and hopefully in time Max will get it right too. Please know that deep in my heart I can never thank you enough or express my gratitude for your tips and tricks, advice and suggestions, love and support.

I'm so stressed out and not eating much. Trying to focus on work is hard. Pet Talk has proved to me yet once again, how loving and caring people who have never met, can bond together and help each other out. What saddens me is that don't have that much time for Pet Talk so I can't post much in the way of supporting words to you all when you need it the most. I'll try to do better, I promise.

You guys Rock! :love:

[Moesha]

I've been following but have not posted yet. I do wish you and Max the very best. That was a great deal that you received on your supplies! I look forward to your updates. I hope that as time goes on, both you and Max will get used to this necessary evil.

[Barbara]

I'm not that much help as I cannot see us ever give fluids ourselves to little wiggle worm Filou. I only hope that all the sorrows to go with it will be a little less once Max is more stable. It sounds terrible but you get used to it and now - after 4 years- we only look at Filou's weight. His levels are far above anything- but when you come home he'll jump on your shoulder and purr up a storm.
Let's hope Max stays fine in weight and behavior for a long time to come.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Lots and lots of extra big (((HUGS))) are on the way for you both from me. Extra prayers too. :love::love:

[Lizzie]

I'm glad you have yourself organized to take care of Max. I got some 1-1/2" needles, 18 gauge, once and used only a few because I found it impossible to push it in only two-thirds of the way when the cat didn't want to have kind of needle in him. They are now gathering dust and I'm happy with 1". With a longer needle there is also a greater chance of it coming out the other side of a skin tent. Perhaps the 20 will be best for Max.

Now organize yourself into looking after yourself! Remember, if you get run down you can't care for Max as well as when you are eating and resting enough. Care for yourself for Max's sake.

[slick]

Tonight was a breeze because I used the smaller needle. He was only "in place" for about 10 min then all he** broke loose. I took the needle out and let him down. I figure 3/4 of the fluid is better than none.

Also, the bags of fluid I received through Pacific Health is wrong. There is Potassium in it and Max's potassium level is up. So I have to exchange them for .9. Will call them tomorrow.

Otherwise Max is hanging in there. He says Hi and thanks to everyone for your love and prayers. :love:

[Karen]

Such a cute squished face - give him a kiss from me, okay?

[Cinder & Smoke]

Uhhhhhhhh ...

I don't think he's "Smilin" :) here! >>>

http://petoftheday.com/talk/attachment.php?attachmentid=43129&d=1247810401


Ask Pacific Health Care if they have the Terumo needles -
which are much sharper and more easily inserted than Monoject needles.

I've also read that the Ultra Thin Wall Terumos allow for the flow speed
of a larger needle in a smaller gauge size. The needle's wall thickness is
thinner than a "standard" needle - which makes the hole in the center of
the needle a bit larger; which allows the fluid to Flow Faster.

Happie Sub-Qing!

;)

[jenluckenbach]

Oh I just want to kiss Max's nose. :love: :love:

[kb2yjx]

Max is just precious!!! But the way he behaves during sq time, is just like the way Raven behaved. She did not want it, and LET ME KNOW!!!

[kb2yjx]

I have not had the cup of coffee yet.I want ed to post that maybe your vet will let you give Max some Lactulose to help him with his constipation. It is worth a try....

[Taz_Zoee]

Awwww, it's good to see Max. I didn't know what he looked like. :D

Slick, did you ask your vet or the supply place about B-12? Just a friendly reminder. :)

[gini]

http://petoftheday.com/talk/attachment.php?attachmentid=43129&d=1247810401

[momoffuzzyfaces]

After seeing those sweet pictures, I want to kiss that sweet face!!!
Please deliver lots of head kissies from me, ok? :love::love:

[Medusa]

I had a feeling that Max was a big fluff ball. When my Puddy died, Slick sent me a lock of Max's fur to comfort me. I still have it and always will. I have a lock of Puddy's fur, too. I keep it in a plastic baggie and take it out every once in a while and give it a good sniff. It still smells like her. But Puddy would've gotten lost in all that Max fur, fur sure! ;)

[smokey the elder]

Aww, what a big ol' Persian-faced poof!

[catmandu]

I am on Meals on Wheels and I have Janice stop by a Deli for Sea Food Chowder for JJJ3 , My Princess and Michael aka Mr Purr.
I find that sometimes when My Cats dont seem to have an appetite that the helps a lot.
And a Nice Bagel with Lox will alwys get Josephs interest too.
:love::love::love:

[Grace]

Both Sandra and I mentioned playing classical music to de-stress a cat. Here is a clip from the CBS Morning News about this very subject. Their focus was on dogs, but it does work the same for cats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zytCL33Mf2Q&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fart2u.com%2Fcritterblog%2F&feature=player_embedded

FYI - it takes about 10 seconds for the clip to really begin.

[Nomilynn]

How is Max doing?? :love:

[slick]

Ask Pacific Health Care if they have the Terumo needles -
which are much sharper and more easily inserted than Monoject needles.
Yes Phred, those are the needles that I ordered and received. Very sharp indeed. My fingers are pin cushions. :rolleyes:
But the way he behaves during sq time, is just like the way Raven behaved. She did not want it, and LET ME KNOW!!! Yes, and it's getting worse. He fights and fights and I feel so bad because I'm literally holding his body down while my neighbour holds his head down. I feel so bad but it's the only way I can insert the needle.
I want ed to post that maybe your vet will let you give Max some Lactulose to help him with his constipation. It is worth a try.... I'm already giving him Lactulose every night mixed in with his wet food. It working to a certain extent....right now I'm waiting for the next BM. His last one was on Saturday. :(
When my Puddy died, Slick sent me a lock of Max's fur to comfort me. I still have it and always will. Oh Mary, that's so sweet. Max says thank you. :love:
Slick, did you ask your vet or the supply place about B-12? Yes, I did call Dr. Singh and ask about the B-12. He said that he believes that it would not improve his quality of life. I'm on the fence about this one.
Both Sandra and I mentioned playing classical music to de-stress a cat That link is so interesting, I just might order the book. I don't have any classical music on hand but my Mom does. I think I'll borrow one. Thanks. :)

So how is Max doing?? He's holding his own. Eating up a storm and kicking up a storm when it's poke time. I've decided that he will get a poke on Mon, Wed and Friday and get the weekend off...and of course if he starts to go downhill he will get fluids every night.

I've delivered all the kisses and smooches....he wasn't impressed - then again it was right after his fluids....:rolleyes:

[Killearn Kitties]

Poor cuddled Max. :D Please can you pass on a little cuddle from me when he is in a good mood?
Still thinking of you. Sorry I can't do more.

[kimlovescats]

I am so sorry to read that you and Max are having to deal with this. I know it is very hard for you to worry so about him! He sure is a handsome fellow, don't think I have ever seen him before! I pray that you are able to come to a comfortable solution for the both of you!:love:

[Taz_Zoee]

It wouldn't hurt to try the B-12, right? I'm not sure how much good it did for Taz, but Tracey (krazyaboutkatz) is the one that suggested it to me. She had good results with it.

I'm so sorry you and Max are having to go through this stressful period. Please feel free to give me a call anytime you need to vent or talk.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Thinking of you both...

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Does Sir Max like catnip? If he does, you may let him have a bit to play in before his treatment. It calms cats down who need to travel too! :love:

[kb2yjx]

Well, I am sorry that Max puts up such a fuss when it is time to give him the fluids. Sure sounds like Spunky!!!! It is good that he is eating, that is always a good sign!!! It sure sounds to me that Max is not going any place, and you will have a few more gray hairs(I do not know if you are old enough to have them!!!). Personally, I like when they fight....it was so depressing when Raven STOPPED fighting...HUGS to you and Max....

[Randi]

Slick, I'm sorry to hear it's a problem giving Max fluids, but as someone said, it's good that he has the strenght to put up a fight, and also that he eats. :)

Capnip might relax him a bit, so you should try that too. How about giving him the fluids on sunday ( when you're less stressed), tuesday and thursday?

I'm sending hugs to you both. :love:

[ChrisH]

Prayers & positive thoughts continuing for your dear boy & you. {{hugs}}

[Nomilynn]

How is Max doing, especially in this disgusting heat we are having? Do you have an A/C? I'm leaving my fans on all day, keeping all the blinds shut and I am freezing water bottles at night and leave them out for the girls to lay next to during the day.

I am thinking of you often!!

[ChrisH]

slick, how is Sir Max?

[Randi]

Slick, I'm thinking of you and Max too, and hoping everything is going well! :love:

[slick]

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj246/slickvic50/Max/Max_sleeping.jpg
The weather has Max doing nothing but this......

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj246/slickvic50/Max/Max_head_sleeping.jpg
Camera a little closer


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj246/slickvic50/Max/Max_nose_closeup.jpg
My baby's nosie....that's not dirt.....he has a couple of freckles

How is Max doing??? Well I get some fluid into him but I'm afraid he doesn't get enough before he struggles to get away. He absolutely hates the poke but I know it's necessary. I'm doing what I can as long as he tolerates it. The minute I feel that his quality of life is at stake, I'll stop it.

My fans are on all day too but it doesn't seem to be doing any good. They just blow hot air....

[Nomilynn]

awww so sweet :) I'm glad he's enjoying the heat!!! :eek:

[Barbara]

I think it is normal to see that in all that heat he sleeps.
He looks like a big snowball so I am sure he would prefer some coolness;)

[Laura's Babies]

(((((HUGS))))) for you and Max.. He is such a handsome boy!! Makes me just want to bury my nose in that fur!

[kb2yjx]

Great photos of Max!!!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Of course that's not smut on Sir Max's sweet little nosie!!! Those are angel kissies. They can't resist smooching that sweet face either!!! :love:

Give him lots of head kissies from me, ok!!! :love:

Prayers still continuing for you both!!! :love::love:

[gini]

Aww, Slick, those are great pictures of Max! What a sweetheart of a cat that boy is.................

[Randi]

Aww, what cute pictures! :love:

Slick, if it's still hot over there, have you tried putting a wet washcloth on him? If he won't have it, you could just wipe him with it - his paws too.

Sending lots of good thoughts for an easy fluid session. :)

((((hugs))))

[gini]

Good idea Randi! Slick, maybe even some ice cubes put into a plastic bag with a towel over it so he could sleep on it.

[Karen]

Those picture just make me want to snuggle him, right through the screen! Oh, Slick, give him a little snuggle from me, okay? He looks soft as a cloud, and so cute sleeping!

[krazyaboutkatz]

He sure is adorable.:) Hopefully you'll both get some relief from the heat soon.

[phesina]

What great photos of Max.. especially the ultra-close-up of his sweet little speckled nosie! Larger than life!

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Slick, I'm so sorry to hear this disheartening news about Max. I knew something was calling me back to PT.....

I can't offer any advice that hasn't already been given. Both Tubby & Peanut tolerated the fluids relatively well and didn't fight...except once when Tubby started feeling better and the needle came out and fluids spurted all over the place. Not funny at the time, but it brings a smile to my face as I remember.

All I can do now is offer {{{hugs}}} to you and Max. Prayers and positive thoughts are on their way, and will continue as long as necessary.

[ChrisH]

Adorable beautiful boy is what he is. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/CwmmawrJet/Smiles/love.gif Lovely pictures, thanks slick.

Prayers & good thoughts continuing, for you both. {{hugs}}

[slick]

Thank you all for your prayers and hugs. They are much appreciated. There have been times when the needle is hard to insert and sometimes I just let it go and try again the next night. I poke in a differnt spot each time.

Debbie.....how nice to see you on line again. I think of you often.....:) LOL, the needle coming out has happened to me also. Yes, it's awful at the time but now I laugh about it.:D

I must admit that tonight Max seems to be almost back to normal. His input and output are good and he is more alert and talking. Then again, that could be because our outside temp has cooled off significantly. Makes for comfortable sleeping again. Doesn't matter to me...I'm taking it as a good sign.

That sad part is that he's just a carcass with fur....skin, bones and fur. It's so hard to watch. :(

[Killearn Kitties]

I'm so pleased that Max seems to be feeling a bit better. :love: And I'm glad for your sake too that the temperature is down a bit. Still sending oodles of healthy vibes to you and furry Max. I think of you often.

[Barbara]

It's good to hear Max is feeling better. I am sure the temperature is part of it- and I hope it gives him a little more appetite. If he is feeling fine and eating on his own maybe you can take down the frequency of fluids - maybe twice a week would be enough. This would give him more time to relax in between.
:)

[kb2yjx]

Glad to hear that Max is feeling better....prayers continue...

[Catty1]

Is there any high-calorie food that Max could safely eat for a bit to get his weight up somewhat? I know it can't be high protein...but maybe your vet has an idea or two.

{{{{hugs}}}} to precious Sir Max. I still have that sample of "wool" you sent me several years ago. ;):love:

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

That sad part is that he's just a carcass with fur....skin, bones and fur. It's so hard to watch. :(

It is, and I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. It's something we all know we have to face someday, but we all hope that someday never really comes.

Another sign to watch for.....usually cats with kidney failure end up with high blood pressure, which can eventually make them go blind. I think this is what happened to Peanut because she never had cataracts or anything like that. It was jus tall of a sudden one day she couldn't see. That, and how it changed her behavior, was the deciding factor for us in her case. Her quality of life was fine before that - she was still enjoying herself - but after she went blind she would just sit, seemingly afraid to move. :(

Glad to hear Max has perked up. Doesn't matter if it's the weather or the fluids or the food or why ever. The point is he has perked up and enjoying life as usual, which makes it all worth it. Give him extra gentle hugs for me tonight, and more {{{hugs}}} sent to you.

[slick]

Debbie: Many thanks for that info. I'd forgotten about that. (((hugs))):love:

Last night's treatment was not good. The minute my neighbour enters the door, he runs and hides. He didn't fight that much but my poor boy...as soon as I put him on the counter, he started drooling profusely. Then as the flow started, he pooped right on the spot. :(

This is stressing him out so much so that I'm thinking of not continuing. Does that make my a bad meowmie????

[Grace]

Last night's treatment was not good. The minute my neighbour enters the door, he runs and hides. He didn't fight that much but my poor boy...as soon as I put him on the counter, he started drooling profusely. Then as the flow started, he pooped right on the spot. :(

This is stressing him out so much so that I'm thinking of not continuing. Does that make my a bad meowmie????

I think you are a wonderful meowmie. I think there comes a time when we need to look closely at the quality of life.

[Medusa]

Debbie: Many thanks for that info. I'd forgotten about that. (((hugs))):love:

Last night's treatment was not good. The minute my neighbour enters the door, he runs and hides. He didn't fight that much but my poor boy...as soon as I put him on the counter, he started drooling profusely. Then as the flow started, he pooped right on the spot. :(

This is stressing him out so much so that I'm thinking of not continuing. Does that make my a bad meowmie????

Not even a little bit. My Pidge is supposed to be only daily subQ's but she gets diarrhea each time and the stress for her is awful. She refuses to sit down and to administer the treatment while she's standing and constantly trying to jump down is beyond difficult. She's 21 years old w/cardiomyopathy and I have to shove meds down her throat every day in addition to the subQ's. She's had it. She doesn't want to be bothered at all so unless I see that she becomes severely dehydrated, I've discontinued the subQ's. It's been several weeks since she's had one and she's holding her own. As Grace said, quality of life has to be considered. (((HUGS))) :love:

[kb2yjx]

Slick, this is the real hard part now. And Grace summed it up, the quality of life is what matters. " I cannot make you better, you are not going to get better, but I PROMISE you no pain, a good quality of life, and maintaining your dignity." And I have never regretted those words that I spoke to Boo. I know that I did the very best for her, and for all the Clan Angels.

[Killearn Kitties]

Slick, I'm so sorry the treatment doesn't seem to be working for Max.
We all know you are wonderful and will do the best thing for your fluffy boy. :love:

[Barbara]

Slick you are a GOOD meowmie. Is there an option that you can take him to a vet for fluids. We do that with Filou as you know and it separates the bad fluids for him from normal life. Wishing you all the best for whatever decision you take.

[gini]

I am sending you the BIGGEST HUG possible. No way are you a bad Meowme - we all know how much you love Max and want him to be comfortable.

I just stopped and said a prayer for you and Max!

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I'd never call you a bad cat meowmie. Sometimes it's very difficult to help our cats without stressing them out. As others have said, you need to look at his quality of life and just help him to remain as happy and comfortable as you can. Lots more prayers and positive thoughts are being sent Max's way. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[manda_moo87]

Slick! I haven't spoken to you in ages, I hope you're holding up alright. Sending some big hugs your way from Vancouver Island! {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[rg_girlca]

Prayers on the way for your gorgeous Max and {{{{{{HUGS}}}}} to his wonderful meowmie. Bad mommy. Yeah right Slick.:p Not one person on this board thinks that and neither should you. We do whatever we can for our precious animals and there are times when we have to say, "Enough is enough."

[carole]

Happy Birthday ole fella, and let us hope you make it to another birthday,with your Meowmie taking such good care of you, i am sure you will.

Slick i hope Max continues to do well and is in no discomfort,and that he has many more good days than bad, my Ash is in the same boat,and has had another year since his diagnosis,so good luck and keep your spirits up,both you and Max.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Any uppydates?

[karyn674]

Oh! I'm terribly sorry to hear this. It's really a tough time seeing our furbabes suffer.

Sending prayers your way x x x x

[slick]

Any uppydates?
I've made a decision to NOT give any more fluids to Max. Words cannot describe how stressed out he was and promptly peed or pooped as soon as I put him on the counter. All during the treatment he drooled profusely and started trembling. He refused to eat after treatment. When I would come home from work he'd cower in the corner.

I just can't put him through this anymore. It will probably will shorten his life span, but at this stage of the game it's quality, not quantity.

At the moment he's eating good and his output is good and he's not in any discomfort. I'm just going to love him for as much time as he has left on earth.

All through this I'm constantly reminded of something that was posted by Susan when her beloved Sasha crossed the bridge and I'd like to quote her now. I believe she wrote this herself.

You brought me into your life
I am your pet. You wanted me!
How luck I am.
All I want to do is please you.

I love you totally:
no conditions
no constraints
no complaints
I do not judge

You brought me into your life
I am your pet - so please

Promise to
respect my species,
understand who I am and my limitations,
treat me well, with gentleness and caring,
take care of me, my health and well-being.

Promise to:
never abandon me,
never let me suffer,
love me forever.

If you truly love me,
As I love you -
Give me quality pet life;
And when it is time--let me go
Peacefully, painlessly, gently
For quantity of days has no value if I suffer.

Because I worship you--had I the power
you would never know pain, suffering or abandonment;
you would have life quality over life quantity--because
I'm your pet--and I love you now and forever
--Susan D
--August 13, 2005
--Dedicated to Sasha

[Killearn Kitties]

Slick, you are the only one of us in a position to try to judge what is best for Max, and I know you will give him the best life you can. :love: Please can you give your boy a big huge hug from me? Well, I know that he is not so keen on them either, but maybe you can sneak one in.

[kb2yjx]

I am sad to read your post, but really do understand....I have stopped fluids and some meds....any chance Max will like to have some chicken broth added to his food, so he can have some extra good tasting fluid....Will light a candle for you both.....Sandra

[Catty1]

I totally understand - and you are doing what is totally right for Max.

As Sandra said - some yummy liquids might be just the ticket for dear Max.

{{{hugs}}} to you and that dear woolly kitty!:)

[Medusa]

Everyone has to make their own decisions based on their pet and his/her needs and personality. No judgments here, that's for sure. I'm sad to read that the subQ's aren't going well but you've done your best. Your love for Max shines through every post. I wish you many happy and peaceful days w/Max yet. :love:

[katladyd]

I would do the same thing if it was one of my boys! You love him and don't want to torture him. That is completely understandable. You could try adding some tuna water or even just plain water to his food. As long as he gets liquids in some way, he should be okay. I applaud you for putting Max's feelings ahead of your own. It takes a lot of love to do that!:love:

[jenluckenbach]

As hard as it is, this decision comes straight from the heart. He will live his life out as God intended, and you will love hiim now and forever.

Prayers to you both. {{{{{HUGS}}}}}

[phesina]

Prayers and a candle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/message.cfm?l=eng&cid=8994248) for you both. God bless you.

Love from Pat and cats

[Taz_Zoee]

I totally understand your decision and would have made the same one if it had been an option for me with Taz. It's really not worth the stress it causes to Max. As long as he is comfortable for the time being then all is well.

Hugs to you and loves to Max. :)

[Nomilynn]

***BIIIIGGG HUGS*** to you and Max! :love::love:

[Barbara]

I hope so much that Max keeps up in good shape for some time to come- what you write about him eating sounds very good.

[katladyd]

With age, they can start to lose weight. My oldest cat (he's somewhere around 12) is starting to lose a little weight. He's still active, spry, and eats and drinks well. I can live with a little weight loss, or even a large weight loss, as long as his quality of life is good.

[GILL]

Some times the hardest thing to do is just give love.

[Pinot's Mom]

Everyone has to make their own decisions based on their pet and his/her needs and personality. No judgments here, that's for sure. I'm sad to read that the subQ's aren't going well but you've done your best. Your love for Max shines through every post. I wish you many happy and peaceful days w/Max yet. :love:

I couldn't say it any better. My thoughts and prayers are with you and Max.

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Yes, Medusa said it quite well. Max knows you love him, and now he knows you want the best for HIM. I know the remainder of his days will be happy ones and I hope he has many many many more days left for you to spoil him rotten. This is never easy on anyone, so why make it more difficult for both of you? {{{hugs}}} to you and gentle smoochies to Max.

[phesina]

Love and hugs and purrs for you and Max both.

[krazyaboutkatz]

Slick, I think that you've made a wonderful decision. Now you can just enjoy the time that you have with him. Max continues to be in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care. (((HUGS)))

[Nomilynn]

How is Max doing these days?

[Medusa]

Any updates on our boy Max? :love:

[katladyd]

How is that adorabele furball doing?

[slick]

Sorry, I didn't know this had been bumped up.
I'm at work right now - will update when I get home. Right now I've been busy catching up on MOFF'S new babies....well, Mom and Baby.

[slick]

Max is doing really, really well. He's an entirely different kitty. He's confident, happy, hungry, talkative and affectionate - purring up a storm after he's had dinner and we are on the couch in front of the TV. I know I made the right decision, as hard as it was. His left side was losing hair but now it seems to be growing back. The only sign of real aging is his "carcass with fur" appearance.

The other week a very strange thing happened. I was lying on the couch on my side watching TV. His 6pm alarm clock went off and he was crying for dinner. All of a sudden he jumped up on me turned around a few times and laid down on my. That was a first. He's never, ever curled up on me at any time. Then he lay his head down and seemed to enjoy it. He stayed like that for about 20 min, then jumped up, jumped down to the floor and started screaming for dinner again.

He's happy and his quality of life is extremely good and that's all that matters to me. :love: Thank you for asking.

[Killearn Kitties]

Slick, that is just wonderful to hear! :love: You have obviously made the best decision for Max and I am glad he is showing he grateful he feels by curling up on you! How great is that???

The girlies are sending all their healthy and happy vibes to adorable Max. :love:

[jenluckenbach]

How wonderful! :love: :D

[Barbara]

Slick - this is great to hear- may you and Max have some really happy times together:)

[Sonia59]

This is very good news!:) Give Max gentle kisses from me :love:

[Randi]

Oh Slick, that is wonderful news! :) Max surely agrees that you made the right decision!

Have a snuggly weekend! :love:

[Medusa]

That's such wonderful news, Slick! Often the most difficult decisions turn out to be the best ones and it looks like this is the case w/Max. Quality of life is what we all desire for ourselves and our furkids and you've given Max that gift. I'm so glad! Same thing here w/Boo. Since I stopped his thyroid meds, he's improved immensely, back to meowing and purring and sitting on my lap at the computer again. What more can we ask for except that they live forever and we know that isn't possible so we take the next best thing and that's a good quality of life. Way to go Max and Slick! :love:

[kb2yjx]

That is great news about Max!!! Hopes for many, many more.....

[Taz_Zoee]

This has just made my Friday before a long weekend so much better! :D :D

Sometimes I wonder about meds. Here the vet says the animals needs them, yet while they are on them they are miserable. You take them off the meds and they are so much better. It doesn't make sense to me. :confused: But all that matters right now is that Max and you are happy. :)

[Catty1]

What great news! Max - being CUDDLY?? :D Sounds like he is enjoying a second kittenhood - and screaming for dinner is an excellent thing!

Wishing you and Max much, much more quality time! :love::love::love::D

[catmandu]

Thats great news Slick, and its great when Our Older Cats get a New Lease on Life after being so ill.
We are praying that You and Max will have a Great Catmas 2009!!:love::love::love:

[gini]

[QUOTE=slick;
The other week a very strange thing happened. I was lying on the couch on my side watching TV. His 6pm alarm clock went off and he was crying for dinner. All of a sudden he jumped up on me turned around a few times and laid down on my. That was a first. He's never, ever curled up on me at any time. Then he lay his head down and seemed to enjoy it. He stayed like that for about 20 min, then jumped up, jumped down to the floor and started screaming for dinner again.

He's happy and his quality of life is extremely good and that's all that matters to me. :love: Thank you for asking.[/QUOTE]

This just brought tears to my eyes.............what a wonderful little man, our Sir Max. He just loves his Mom!!:love:

[phesina]

That's fabulous, Max! Well done! .. and happy Labour Day!

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Way to go Sir Max!!! Keep those cuddles coming for your mommy!!! Lots of kissies from me!!! :love:

[katladyd]

Max was saying, "Thanks, Mommy! I feel so much better now!":D

[krazyaboutkatz]

This is wonderful news!!!:D

[Tubby & Peanut's Mom]

Wow, I almost dreaded coming back since it's been awhile and I didn't want any bad news about Max. Instead I get this absolutely wonderful uppydate! I knew you made the right decision, Slick, but Max's actions only confirm your thoughts. {{{hugs}}} to both of you! :)

[slick]

I just thought I would post an uppydate for those who care to read this.

Max is pooping all over the apartment. Every day there are tootsie rolls in a different part. I was out all day today and when I got home he left me a couple of surprises in the kitchen. The other day they were in the tub and still another day a few turds were in another part of the living room.
So far he always pees in the box which is good but this pooping has me perplexed. He is getting weaker in his back end so I'm wondering if that is the reason. I dread the day he starts to lose control....:(

Also, in the evenings, he goes from window sill to window sill looking out at nothing.....a behaviour which he's never displayed before. My closet doors are mirrored and sometimes he'll sit for hours just staring at himself.....:(

He also spends alot of time in the kitchen. Now, for the whole 12 years I've had him, I trained him to stay out of the kitchen because it's so small but for some reason he refuses to stay out of it now. I clap my hands and yell "No" but it doesn't make any difference.

I'm wondering if he's losing his hearing or perhaps he's going a little scrambled in the head.

He doesn't eat at much as he did a month ago. I think I need to tap into his savings account and take him to the vet for a checkup. I know that Dr. Singh will bring up the kidney failure and the fact that Max is dehydrated but I tried the sub-q route and that didn't work out well at all.

I do believe that this is his last Christmas with me. My tree is up and he does spend alot of time during the day napping underneath it. Lord only knows what the next few months will bring but one thing for sure, Max will be comfortable.

[Killearn Kitties]

Sending a huge hug to you and a little pet for Max, only because he doesn't like huge hugs.

It is so hard to watch them go downhill, but we are thinking of you and are here for you. Sending Max all my best. :love:

[Medusa]

Oh my, this is disheartening, I know all too well. His behavior reminds me of when my Puddy developed dementia. She'd only sleep on the bathroom countertop because she thought it was her litter box and she peed and pooped in the sink. Then it was the bathtub and she'd only drink out of the bathtub faucet instead of her fountain. There are drugs that you can administer for it but, unfortunately, Puddy didn't live long enough for me to be able to say that I saw a big change. CRF causes all sorts of problems and she had it for years. I was able to administer subQ's to her but it still didn't make any difference. Perhaps talk to your vet about meds for Max for dementia and maybe you'll get some comforting news. I'm sorry that this is happening, Slick. I know how heartbreaking it is. Enjoy every moment w/Max and just overlook his accidents. He wouldn't hurt his mom for the world and he would never do this inappropriate behavior if he could help it. (((HUGS))) to you and gentle pets to Max. Keep the faythe. :love:

[Randi]

Slick, I'm so sorry to hear this, I know how it breaks your heart to see Max like this. :( It's such a shame that the Sub-Q fluids didn't work out, I wish he would start drinking more. The way he sits and stare at nothing does indicate that he is going a bit senile. Fister will that sometimes too. Is he meowing more, also?

I hope the vet can come up with some treatment that will help him!

Fister and I are sending lots of purrs and positive thoughts to Max and big hugs to you! :love: :love:

[orangemm]

I'm so sorry to hear about Max.:( I know there is little comfort in knowing that most of us have been down this road before, but we can share some of your feelings.

Maybe a trip to the vet will help. I know it did when a couple of our elders were not themselves. Treasure every moment with Max; I'm sure he's enjoying sleeping under the tree.

Hugs, purrs and gentle pets to you and Max...............:love::love:

[Laura's Babies]

I am so sad for you. Goodness, we all love our babies so much here that when one is sick, it does effect us all and reminds us all what a short time we have with our own babies.

Just love him while you can, as hard as you can and as much as you can.

[jenluckenbach]

Such a sad update, but one we'll all go through some day. Loving a pet means one day you will lose them :(.

I wish you as many days with Max as God allows.

{{{{{HUGS}}}}

[kb2yjx]

I, like the others, am sad to read your update. It is so hard to see a beloved friend fail. You do the best you can to keep Max loved and comfortable. Will keep you in prayers and will light a candle....Take Care...Sandra

[Catty1]

Prayers and hugs for you and Max.

There are some meds for dementia - I don't recall which one Mary was going to use- but yes, a checkup sounds like the plan.

Is the vet close enough that you could take Max in for weekly sub-q's, if that is a plan?

Max did so amazingly well after his last checkup...prayers that he can get a little more quality time with his Meowmie. :love::love::love::love:

[Karen]

Prayers on the way for you and Max, thanks goodness he's still using the box for pee.