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    Unbelievable!!!!!

    Judge rejects slave trauma as defense for killing

    A Washington County judge threw out a PSU professor's novel theory at pretrial but said she may consider it at trial
    Monday, May 31, 2004
    HOLLY DANKS

    HILLSBORO -- A Portland lawyer says suffering by African Americans at the hands of slave owners is to blame in the death of a 2-year-old Beaverton boy.

    Randall Vogt is offering the untested theory, called post traumatic slave syndrome, in his defense of Isaac Cortez Bynum, who is charged with murder by abuse in the June 30 death of his son, Ryshawn Lamar Bynum. Vogt says he will argue -- "in a general way" -- that masters beat slaves, so Bynum was justified in beating his son.

    The slave theory is the work of Joy DeGruy-Leary, an assistant professor in the Portland State University Graduate School of Social Work. It is not listed by psychiatrists or the courts as an accepted disorder, and some experts said they had never heard of it.

    DeGruy-Leary testified this month in Washington County Circuit Court that African Americans today are affected by past centuries of U.S. slavery because the original slaves were never treated for the trauma of losing their homes; seeing relatives whipped, raped and killed; and being subjugated by whites.

    Because African Americans as a class never got a chance to heal and today still face racism, oppression and societal inequality, they suffer from multigenerational trauma, says DeGruy-Leary, who is African American. Self-destructive, violent or aggressive behavior often results, she says.

    Noting the theory has not been proven or ever offered in court, Washington County Circuit Judge Nancy W. Campbell recently threw out DeGruy-Leary's pretrial testimony.

    But the judge said she would reconsider the defense for Bynum's September trial if his lawyer can show the slave theory is an accepted mental disorder with a valid scientific basis and specifically applies to this case.

    "I think it can be proven," the court-appointed Vogt said after Campbell's ruling. "The problem is it's brand new. It's not as easy to present in court as something that's been established over years."

    Murder-by-abuse, punishable by life in prison with 25 years before possible parole, means the victim suffered from a pattern of assaults. An autopsy found Ryshawn Bynum died of a brain injury and had a broken neck, broken ribs and as many as 70 whip marks on his legs, buttocks, back and chest that were of various ages.

    Bynum told police he hit his son with a watch strap during potty-training. He said the day before the boy died, he was playing "helicopter," swinging his son around the room, when the boy hit his head on a table.

    "He had a traditional, Southern, small-town, working-class upbringing where 'whuppin' was accepted," Vogt said. "Whether that was abusive or not, that is in the eye of the beholder. He was raised differently than your typical kid in Beaverton."

    Experts disagree on whether post traumatic slave syndrome can be proven, much less accepted in legal arenas. It took 50 years for society and the courts to accept post traumatic stress syndrome, a diagnosis for someone who has experienced or witnessed an extraordinary event that involves actual or threatened death or serious injury. It is only diagnosed when functioning is severely impaired.

    The judge also said the defense would have to show Bynum, who grew up in Mississippi, has slave syndrome. At the time of her testimony, DeGruy-Leary had not interviewed him.

    Besides a doctorate in social work research, DeGruy-Leary has a master's degree in clinical psychology. She said she can offer counseling but is not licensed to diagnose anyone.

    "Post traumatic slave syndrome is rather unique; it's not that everybody has it," DeGruy-Leary testified. "If you are African American and you are living in America, you have been impacted."

    Under cross-examination by Robert Hull, Washington County senior deputy district attorney, DeGruy-Leary viewed Ryshawn Bynum's autopsy photos.

    Calling the boy's injuries excessive, DeGruy-Leary said she would have reported them. But in the African American culture, such discipline "is extremely common," she said. "It falls in the rubric of what they think is normal."

    A Los Angeles native, DeGruy-Leary has been working on the theory for two decades and said she is still a year from publishing a book on it. She coined the name in her 2001 dissertation on African American male youth violence.

    She said she thinks post traumatic slave syndrome can be proven scientifically once the politics of race are set aside and the white research establishment takes time to study it.

    "It's not a conversation that America wants to have," DeGruy-Leary said. "It's so ugly; it's so blatant."

    Questioning the science

    William E. Narrow, a psychiatrist who serves as associate director of research on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, said he had never heard of post traumatic slave syndrome and no one has proposed that it be included in the book's next edition.

    Published by the American Psychiatric Association, the "DSM" is a courtroom bible. Judge Campbell said that if post traumatic slave disorder were in the DSM, she would consider it more favorably.

    Narrow said the fifth edition of the diagnostic manual probably won't be published until 2012. In the meantime, researchers are testing new disorders for possible inclusion.

    "To say that everybody in a particular racial or ethnic group has a diagnosis, I don't think it falls under what we do," Narrow said. "We have enough trouble as it is with people saying we are trying to make everybody mentally ill without trying to include something like that."

    Alberto M. Goldwaser, a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, has testified as an expert in about 20 court cases across the country involving post traumatic stress, including murders.

    "Maybe it's a social phenomenon and not a clinical phenomenon," he said in an interview from his Paramus, N.J., office, noting that he had never heard of post traumatic slave syndrome.

    Because no African American today has been a slave, Goldwaser called the theory "such a stretch." He said he didn't think it would ever be accepted in court.

    Alvin F. Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and an expert on race relations in the United States, outlined his version of post traumatic slave syndrome in the 2000 book "Lay My Burden Down."

    "It is a legacy where blacks were beaten a lot and lived in terror that they could be killed at will," Poussaint said from his Boston office.

    "That type of trauma gets passed on for generations" in an entire group, he said. "But in a one-on-one case, these things are hard to prove."

    Although DeGruy-Leary's theory could be "viable to educate the public, I don't know about in a court of law," Poussaint said.

    "Lawyers try everything; they might as well put it out."

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    okay, I just gotta say that all that is a load of bull. They aren't slaves and there haven't been slaves for quite some time now. That is no excuse for any abuse being done today.

    And how come no one wants to really recognize the reverse discrimination from "african americans" on the "white" people.

    Oh and for this to work, I hope they have to prove back generation by generation that one of his relatives directly related to him was a slave. Cause come on...this is rediculas...

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    How stupid can someone get? Have they forgotten about all of the other Nationalities that were forced into slave labor? The Chinese slaves laid the train tracks across our country! They were treated just as poorly as the black slaves! But the Chinese aren't STILL whining about how their ancestors were driven into slavery. wah wah wah. Get over it.

    If you take that line of thinking and put it another way... you can conceivably say that I'm fat because my ancestors fled Ireland during the Potato Famine and I feel the deep seated need to eat since food is available to me. C'mon! I'm fat because I eat too much food and not enough exercise! I made me this way... not my subconcious mind remembering how hard my great-great somebody had on the farm! OOoooo.. is that why I get sea-sick too? Remembering the terrible voyage over here?

    As for the mumbo-jumbo that blacks are still oppressed and haven't gotten over the trauma after all those generations... thats not MY fault they are too darn lazy to take advantage of all the programs in place to help them move forward in life. Look at colleges - they're practically giving away positions to minorities while my children have to basically beg their way into a college. Yet, I see my husband's students time and time again not do their work and then blame blame blame everybody else for why its not done. He has told me that nearly half the kids in his 6th grade classes will not graduate highschool. Why? Because they won't work. When grade time rolls around, parents come storming in to ask why their son is being oppressed by racist teachers, he and the other teacher have to find a politically correct way to say their kid is a lazy bum. He'd love to tell the kid, "Get off your butt, turn off the TV and read the book!"

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    guster girl here. Wow, I'd like to see how that theory could be proven. It sounds like a farce to me, but, hey, I dunno. I can see if you're raised around getting "whuppins" that it would be something you'd do with your own, but, enough is enough already. Geez. And, I don't know if I'll get flamed for this, but, it's always bugged me when every black person is referred to as "African American." I know more black people that would rather just be called black. One of my best friends always laughs and says "I've never even seen Africa, and, neither have any of my ancestors." But, that slave theory sounds like an excuse trying to sound scientific, and, it falls short, IMO.

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    this is most definately the most ridiculous load of bull that I have ever heard
    I second everything that the three of you have said. Including the fact that I eat too much and don't exercise enough
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    Do we not also forget the Indians and how much crap we did to them as well? This is just unbelivable and totally unexceptable! The child had a broken neck! What was he doing swinging a two year old around the house like that, and multiple beatings? It's probably best the child died and ended his misery. I can't imagine a two year old being beaten every day. They don't even understand! I hope this jerk gets the death penalty, but I am sure he won't as we need to make room for all the drug dealers and past child support owers.

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    We should change the Judical branch name to the "Make excuses for your behavior" Branch

    There sure isnt any justice anymore

    Whereas I would like to think people have become more civilized and responseable, stuff like this proves the infintile pointing fingers attitude still lingers and always will. Ugh, not every black person in this country have A ancestors from africa or B ancestors that were slaves. Humph, what if they find out that this guy is the decendent of a slave owner?

    Then they'll say he suffers from "Post traumatic slave owner syndrome" Slave owners have genes that make them beat people (especially black people) and he was just going along with a genetic urge to beat his kid because his kid was black. Even though he was black, the "white" slave owner genes took over his brain.

    Uh huh....sounds just as plausable, doesn't it?

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    you can conceivably say that I'm fat because my ancestors fled Ireland during the Potato Famine and I feel the deep seated need to eat since food is available to me.
    Oh, I like it! I'm fat because of something that happened to my ancestors! Works for me!



    And, I don't know if I'll get flamed for this, but, it's always bugged me when every black person is referred to as "African American." I know more black people that would rather just be called black. One of my best friends always laughs and says "I've never even seen Africa, and, neither have any of my ancestors."
    I agree. I don't go around calling myself a Scottish-German-English American. How silly. I'm just an American.




    this is most definately the most ridiculous load of bull that I have ever heard
    I agree. It's almost too stupid to even deserve comment. I think I'll go kill someone, and blame post-English-invasion-of-Scotland Syndrome. Ok, so it happened hundreds of years before I was born, but my ansestors didn't dig it much, I'm sure.
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    That's insane!!


    How is something that happened years ago justifiable (is that a word? ) to beating your child or anyone else for that matter?

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    What fertilizer-grade BS!! Just another manifestation of this cancer of not wanting to take personal responsibility.
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    ummmm....

    Native Americans are still feeling the rath. (uh, poverty, loss of property, alcoholism, diabetes.. ). Please don't even go there. I am part Cherokee and I know that the ills put upon Native Americans over 100 years ago do effect their lives today. As far as black slavery- well i never thought of it before and am not going to judge. I do know that Southern Black culture is different than white northern (and Southern White culture, etc.). The differences are not all negative- there is more familial expectations to take care of one another no matter how poor you might be- only one example.
    I don't agree that this guy should be pardoned based on what he is claiming by any means. The law is the law. This child was killed/murdered (or so it sounds).
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    Re: ummmm....

    Originally posted by leslie flenner
    Native Americans are still feeling the rath. (uh, poverty, loss of property, alcoholism, diabetes.. ). Please don't even go there. I am part Cherokee and I know that the ills put upon Native Americans over 100 years ago do effect their lives today.
    I'm 1/4 Cherokee as well, my maternal grandmother is a full-blooded Cherokee. So, I will go there, thanks.

    People are what they make themselves. Period. Yes, some people/groups have a harder start of it, and more to overcome. However, everyone can indeed overcome what hand they are dealt, should they choose to do so.

    It is a poor excuse by ANYone of ANY ethnic/racial group in America to say, "I can't be more than I am here in the 21st century, because of something that happened to my ancestors in the 19th and early 20th centuries." Get over it. This IS the land of opportunity - the only thing holding one back is one's self.

    The Native American side of my family has done just as well for themselves as the other side - in some cases much better. They did so because they didn't rely on tired excuses and cop-outs.
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    I'm part Cherokee as well and nothing that happened years ago is affecting how I live now.

    I'm also part German, but that doesn't make me have to re-inacte the Holocaust.

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    Re: Re: ummmm....

    Originally posted by Twisterdog
    It is a poor excuse by ANYone of ANY ethnic/racial group in America to say, "I can't be more than I am here in the 21st century, because of something that happened to my ancestors in the 19th and early 20th centuries." Get over it. This IS the land of opportunity - the only thing holding one back is one's self.
    Bravo. Well said Twisterdog!

    There are too many people in today's society that are standing there with their hand out waiting for the government to just hand them the money. Well, if they took that hand and USED it to work, then they'd be supporting themselves and their families. They'd develop a sense of pride of self and what they do. The oppression is self imposed because they think someone is holding them back. In a sense, we as a country are because our government makes it too easy to be lazy, to easy to make excuses, and too easy to wallow in self pity... but I don't want to hijack this thread by going on about America and the state of its welfare system! LOL

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    What a pile of steaming doggy poop! I hope this moron gets laughed all the way to incarceration, and that he is duly introduced to his 6'5" black cellmate "Bubba" and all his homies who will teach him a thing or two about pent up agression!

    It's sad really, that ethnics are now using the same poor excuses that whites are for abhorrent behaviour. Is no one accountable for their actions???

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