Groups Opposed ToThe Greyhound Racing Industry

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I wish these threads would go away. They're creating lots of negativity and not you, but some others, have been condescending to some of us here. Also, it appears they just joined to reply to the couple of greyhound threads and nothing else. It got old a long time ago. Let's move on.

I agree! I am so sick and tired of these threads

[Tollers-n-Dobes]

Originally posted by 7up
I am curious to know from any folks who might still be reading this, if you had ever previously considered adopting a greyhound, what effect would all this new information have on your decision? Good, bad or no effect at all?

I don't want to get into this big argument or whatever you want to call it, but I just wanted to reply to this. I have considered adopting a greyhound for a long time because i think they are very beautiful dogs who deserve a second chance in life, this thread has not changed my opinion what so ever about adopting one.

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by dukedogsmom
I wish these threads would go away. They're creating lots of negativity and not you, but some others, have been condescending to some of us here. Also, it appears they just joined to reply to the couple of greyhound threads and nothing else. That's not what this place is about, hence why I put what I did in my signature. It got old a long time ago. Let's move on.

dukedogsmom,

Thank you yet again for the warm welcome. I can't tell you how much it makes us feel appreciated.

Several of you have a lovely technique here on PT of becoming tired of threads when opinions contrary to yours are posted, especially those that are authoritative and well presented. You have not made one substantive contribution to this thread yet you have taken it upon yourself to denigrate it on more than one occasion.

As for condesecending, I recall your post to Cali:

Obviously Cali has never seen a documentary on Greyhounds.

You and several other PTers excoriated that young lady in the most vicious manner when very few of you had the slightest idea of what you were talking about. You just parroted the party line on greyhound racing when the grand sum of your actual experience with it seems to be a TV documentary and some extremist web sites. My guess is you have never been to a track, a kennel or a farm.

Your behavior towards her was shameful. As adults you should be embarassed for your conduct. She may have exaggerated slightly when she said she knew "hundreds" of people in the racing business, but she certainly has conversed with dozens of us on GT, including some of the biggest names in racing. You, meanwhile, appear to have discussed this only among yourselves and did not see fit to even search for another side of the story.

If there is anybody creating negativity here, it is those people, utterly ignorant of the issues, who have made it their business to slander with the broadest brush possible everyone in racing or even those who have a tolerant attitude of it.

You can't shout us down or roll your eyes and wish these threads away. The issues are important and some people want to read about them. You are free to ignore them---since it appears that you are not interested in hearing our side of the story I suggest that you don't read these threads.

[micki76]

IMO, this belongs in the Dog House, not Dog General.

*sigh*

[aly]

Originally posted by 7up
I am curious to know from any folks who might still be reading this, if you had ever previously considered adopting a greyhound, what effect would all this new information have on your decision? Good, bad or no effect at all?

Jay

None of the racing information has an impact on whether I would adopt a greyhound. I know and love the breed and my views on that haven't changed. I would adopt from a rescue or shelter, wherever I found the right one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a retired racer.

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by micki76
IMO, this belongs in the Dog House, not Dog General.

*sigh*

Right on cue Micki. Thanks for weighing in with your opinion.

As with dukedogsmom above, I'm sorry that this thread is boring you. Like the rest of your friendly crowd, you seemed more than willing to jump all over people who disagreed with you in the first greyhound thread. Were you one of those who posted anonymously on GT to attack that individual over there?

Remember this one?:

You just have no clue. Grow up and realize that you DON'T know everything about every thing. Open yourself up to learning something once in a while instead of acting like your opinion and "experience" is the only thing that's real.

I won't suggest that you need to grow up, but I do suggest you heed your own advice. Considering that your own background in greyhounds is as small as hers, your opinion and your "experience" count for no more or less than hers (at least she spent a great deal of time on GT and has listened to both sides of the issue). It's interesting how you would debate these issues with her but not with us. Perhaps you sense that you don't really know enough to debate.

My offer still stands. You have people with direct experience in greyhound racing right here on these boards. Instead of sighing and sniping at the thread, ask pointed questions of us. Seek explanations. What do you want to know or are you completely educated in greyhounds?

We are well aware that not everything is perfect in our sport. We are working very hard to get it where it needs to be. We are doing a much better job than any of you give us credit for.

Here is Rock's and my web site.
http://www.raceforadoption.com/

Our goal is to have 100 RFA dogs running at tracks across the country. The web site is very comprehensive and delves into a variety of aspects of greyhound raising, training, racing and retirement.

http://www.gra-america.org/ has a lot of useful information as well.

[guster girl]

Originally posted by jcsperson

Here is Rock's and my web site.
http://www.raceforadoption.com/

The site is really nice, and, easy to navigate. I'm actually going back to sleep right now, but, I will read more later. I read all of the "farm life" section, though. And, all the photos are gorgeous. I love your picture in the behind the scenes section! that's awesome that you're a schoolteacher!

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by guster girl
The site is really nice, and, easy to navigate. I'm actually going back to sleep right now, but, I will read more later. I read all of the "farm life" section, though. And, all the photos are gorgeous. I love your picture in the behind the scenes section! that's awesome that you're a schoolteacher!

I'm glad that you like it. I wish I could say that Rock and I had a large hand in creating the site itself, but it was the work of several contributors. Speaking for myself, I am not nearly computer savvy enough to pull off something like that. Rock and I contributed some of the content, but it was mostly the work of those nice folks listed on the "Behind The Scenes" page.

I'm also on the staff of http://www.greyhound-data.com/ We just surpassed the milestone of 1,000,000 dogs in the Db. It's the largest breed Db in the world.

[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by micki76
IMO, this belongs in the Dog House, not Dog General.

*sigh*

It's starting to look that way, eh?

Personally, I don't see what more has got to be said. You all gave your opinions and information, and now it's just turning into one big argument. I agree with the others who said "let the thread die". I haven't posted much on this thread, but I've been reading along with it ever since it started (same with the other one), and I'd really love if some of the greyhound people who have been continuing on about this would participate in other threads and share pictures, stories, etc. instead of just "hanging out" around here.

That said, I love greyhounds and hope to adopt one (or two) one day.

[guster girl]

I don't see how it's become ugly on this thread at all. It looks better than most of the arguments that ensue around here, but, that's just me. I don't see how everything's been said, either. On either side. For any debate, not just greyhounds. But, if the creator wants to delete this, that's fine. Or if Karen or Paul think it needs to be moved, that's cool, too. If you want it to die out, you can do like a lot of people are obviously doing, and, not post on the thread.

[guster girl]

Originally posted by jcsperson


I'm also on the staff of http://www.greyhound-data.com/ We just surpassed the milestone of 1,000,000 dogs in the Db. It's the largest breed Db in the world.

Wow, that's a lot of dogs! I went to the site for the adoptable puppies, oh man, I want one! What cute photos!

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by aly
None of the racing information has an impact on whether I would adopt a greyhound. I know and love the breed and my views on that haven't changed. I would adopt from a rescue or shelter, wherever I found the right one. It wouldn't necessarily have to be a retired racer.

If I can possibly be of assistance when that day comes let me know. I know a greyt number of people in both racing and adoption who can find just the dog for you.

You should be forewarned, however, that greyhounds are one of the most addicting substances on the face of the earth. Just one will make you a helpless addict with no known treatment or cure except for more greyhounds.

I hope you're up to it!

[jcsperson]

Originally posted by guster girl
Wow, that's a lot of dogs!

Well, they go back to the 1700s!

[true]

Originally posted by lizbud
This list from the Greyhound Racing Association Of America.

FYI:



Organizations that Openly Oppose Greyhound Racing Financial


The following organizations openly oppose greyhound racing through the media-- and to the public:

GREY2KUSA

American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA)

Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA)

Greyhound Protection League

Greyhound Network News

Greyhound Action International

Idaho Citizens Against Greyhound Entertainment

Pennsylvania Citizens Against Greyhound Racing

Kids For Greyhounds

Greyhoundracingsucks.com

American-European Greyhound Alliance

Greyhound Central


ADOPTION GROUPS

That openly oppose greyhound racing

Parent Organization Group Name Representative Location
Greyheart Greyhound Rescue and Adoption of Michigan Carol Jensen MI
Greyhound Adoption of Ohio Linda Perko OH
Greyhound Adoptions of Florida, Inc. Bob & Marilyn Varnberg FL
Greyhound Companions of New Mexico Judy Kody Paulsen NM
Greyhound Welfare Foundation Greyhound Friends for Life Sue Tomasello CA
GREYHOUND FRIENDS Greyhound Friends of North Carolina Randy Barrow NC
GREYHOUND FRIENDS Greyhound Friends, Inc. Louise Coleman MA
Greyhound Gang Claudia Presto UT
Greyhound Guardians Lee & Larry Lavery IN
Greyhound Rescue of Idaho Virginia McKean ID
Greyhounds New Beginnings Harold Daniel Laird MI
GreysLand Greyhound Adoption, Inc. Robin Norton MA
Hav-A-Heart Greyhound Rescue & Adoption Jo Ann Jones MI
Michigan Greyhound Connection Susan Bilsky MI
REGAP Michigan REGAP Lenka Perron MI
NGAP National Greyhound Adoption Program, Inc. David Wolf PA
Operation Greyhound Bruna Palmatier CA
USA Defenders of Greyhounds Inc. Nancy Wallace/Hudspeth IL
USA Defenders of Greyhounds, Inc. Linda Brewster GA
USA Defenders of Greyhounds, Inc. Sally Allen IN





ADOPTION GROUPS

That associate with individuals and groups that openly oppose greyhound racing

Parent Organization Group Name Representative Location
2nd Chance Greyhounds John Burt UT
Adopt a Greyhound Atlanta, Inc. Carl Veiner GA
Adopt-A-Greyhound Leslie Trout WI
Arizona Greyhound Rescue AZ
Canine Causes Cindy Hall CA
Dog Rescue Ireland Bernie Wright IRELAND
Dogworks Canine Rescue Penny Noel CA
Fast Dogs-Fast Friends Debi Woodman AZ
Fast Friends Donna Paine NH
First State Greyhound Rescue PA
Friends of Greyhounds, Inc. Michelle Weaver FL
Golden State Greyhound Adoption Barbara Homer CA
Grateful Greyhounds Lisa Sallie NY
GREAT FL
Greater Raleigh Greyhound Rescue Group Dana R Jones, DVM NC
Greyhound Acres Rescue & Adoption Marc & Shaun NY
Greyhound Adoption and Rescue Janice Ziola NV
Greyhound Adoption California Scott & Ann Sanders CA
Greyhound Adoption Center Kathy Johnson CA
Greyhound Adoption Center Dana Provost NV
Greyhound Awareness League David Melville SCOTLAND
Greyhound Rescue of Idaho Greyhound Connection Heather Weir CO
GREYHOUND FRIENDS Greyhound Friends of New Jersey Barbara Wicklund NJ
GPA Greyhound Pets of America Ellen Schneiderman WI
Greyhound Rescue & Rehabilitation NY
Greyhound Rescue Adoption Team (GReAT) NY
Greyhound Rescue And Adoption Bob Abramson KY
Greyhound Rescue of Austin Marnie Reeder TX
Greyhound Rescue of N.E., Inc. MA
Greyhound Welfare Kopal Barnouin Jha MD
Greyhounds & Love, Inc. Terry Howard SC
Greyhounds as Companions Pat Colitsas NY
Greyhounds Galore Jackie Brantley GA
Greyhounds Only, Inc. Linda La Foone IL
Halfpint Haven Borzoi and Greyhound Adoptions, Inc. Lisa Simpson FL
REGAP Illinois REGAP Ellen Stokal IL
REGAP Kansas City REGAP Bill & Cher Oliver MO
Long Island Greyhound Transfer Inc. (L.I.G.H.T.) Craig Barrett CT
Long Island Greyhound Transfer, Inc. Julie Ferrara NY
National Greyhound Foundation, Inc. Beverly Sebastian FL
New Beginnings Greyhound Adoption FL
New Jersey Greyhound Adoption Program, Inc. Jennifer Sigler NJ
New Mexico Greyhound Connection Candy & Jerry Beck NM
Northern California Greyhound Adoption Program Jean Rice CA
Racing Dog Rescue Project FL
REGAP REGAP of Connecticut Eileen McCaughern CT
REGAP REGAP of Illinois, Inc IL
Retired Racers, Inc. Linda Brown CA
Second Chance for Greyhounds Helen Banks FL
Shamrock Greyhound Placement Jennifer Watkins KY
REGAP St. Louis REGAP MO
We Adopt Greyhounds Ellie Goldstein CT

what an amazingly long list!

well without all those people, working their behinds off, many more dogs would be put down.

those groups work in the trenches, get dogs from teh tracks all the time, deal with industry people. they see the good and the bad. if all of those groups are still seeing enough bad things to continue to be anti-racing, there must be a reason for it.

if they had nothign but positive experiences with healthy dogs, they would have no reason to be anti racing. they see the good and the bad with their own eyes.

please dont let the proracing people here gloss over the negative aspects of the industry, its getting better but its not there yet. and just look at all of those non for prpoofit volunteer groups that have to come in and take care of the dogs after the industry doesnt need them anymore.

why is there not 100% adoption (far form it now) and 100% financial responsibility by the racing owners? its so very very very sad.

so three cheers for these groups, and all the groups out there, that work hard, often working other full time jobs and then running and volunteering for greyhound adoption, because they need to raise funds and do the work placing dogs that the industry isnt doing themselves.

btw this is a lovely community and im so sorry oyu ahve to deal with all of this.

[true]

also, thats about 70 groups right there that are AR or associated with AR groups.

if each group only placed 50 dogs per year (and many of them place WAY more than that) that is 3500 greyhounds they place each year.

just think if they didnt exist! all those poor dogs