Arizona immigration law

[Karen]

They come here and try to have a child so they can stay. Is that right?

How do you know that? What makes you assume that? You should not make such assumptions about people. As Lady's Human pointed out, being brown-skinned and dirty from working in the fields does not make you an illegal immigrant - many US born, native for many generations of farmers would fit that description. Farming is hard, physical labor, and involves being in the sun, and getting dirty.

I am not saying there are no illegal immigrants among the group you are talking about, but if you are so upset about it, why not call ICE?

[blue]

Has anybody posting in this thread actually read SB 1070?

[RICHARD]

I konkur!

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Homogenous?

Does that mean they can play soft ball?

I live where anchor babies are par for the course.


Anchor babies are AMERICAN CITIZENS and are allowed the privileges of such.

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Keep it up and I will personally go to the Taco Bell by your home and shut it down.

Earache my eye.

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Ask me about illegal aliens, not the guys that cut your lawn.

[caseysmom]

I konkur!

lmao...you captured some of the above posts to a tee

[blue]

I see your sign and raise you a video.

Link.

[RICHARD]

I came late to the thread...


Husky Mom.

Well said!

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The worst part about this law is that any cop can use the 'probable cause' reason to jack your arse, on the street.

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I had to laugh at Gordon Brown getting punked for calling that woman a bigot.

She was a bigot.

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14th amendment.


"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

It's not a law, It's an amendment!

[blue]

I would very much like to shoot you

[wombat2u2004]

Was that a threat ????

[pomtzu]

Welcome back! I know you felt like I didn't have your back before but I have your back on this one.

I concure on this one........

Marigold - maybe you should boycott produce and chicken too. Afterall - "these people" are the ones who work the fields from sunup to sunset, harvesting all these crops that you so love to purchase, without giving a thought about how they get to the supermarket or the local produce stands. The next time you buy chicken, stop and think of how it got to the stores or restaurants too - by these people working in the chicken slaughter houses in deplorable conditions for long hours, so that Mr Perdue and others like him can sit back and count their "hard earned" money. The immigrants do the dirty work that you, and people like you, refuse to do because it's "below you". You've made it quite clear here, (by implication), time and time again, that somehow your German heritage makes you superior. I believe Hitler was of the same mindset!!!

[Louie and me]

Talking about Hitler - I must confess that when I first heard about this bill my mind immediately went to the Jews in Nazi Germany with the Star of David sewn on their clothes. This bill is nowhere near that extreme but I do think it is pointing in a very scary direction.

[Marigold2]

I have no control over were our produce or our chicken comes from. I do not hire the workers. I don't have a problem with people from Mexico working here and living here, I have a problem with illegals regardless of where they come from. This is America it's a melting pot.
I believe that all people from foreign lands should go through the proper channels to become a citizen so it is fair for all, I have stated this many times.
They are breaking the law if they cross our boarders without the proper paperwork, I am not breaking any law.
As for concentration camp I do know something about that as my mother was there and she was the only one out of 11 children to live.

I concure on this one........

Marigold - maybe you should boycott produce and chicken too. Afterall - "these people" are the ones who work the fields from sunup to sunset, harvesting all these crops that you so love to purchase, without giving a thought about how they get to the supermarket or the local produce stands. The next time you buy chicken, stop and think of how it got to the stores or restaurants too - by these people working in the chicken slaughter houses in deplorable conditions for long hours, so that Mr Perdue and others like him can sit back and count their "hard earned" money. The immigrants do the dirty work that you, and people like you, refuse to do because it's "below you". You've made it quite clear here, (by implication), time and time again, that somehow your German heritage makes you superior. I believe Hitler was of the same mindset!!!

[caseysmom]

I have no control over were our produce or our chicken comes from. I do not hire the workers. I don't have a problem with people from Mexico working here and living here, I have a problem with illegals regardless of where they come from. This is America it's a melting pot.
I believe that all people from foreign lands should go through the proper channels to become a citizen so it is fair for all, I have stated this many times.
They are breaking the law if they cross our boarders without the proper paperwork, I am not breaking any law.
As for concentration camp I do know something about that as my mother was there and she was the only one out of 11 children to live.

So when you see the illegals everywhere like "flies" (your word don't even enjoy writing it) how do you know they are illegal? What do they look like?

[Marigold2]

Births to Immigrants in America
1970 to 2002
July 2005
By Steven A. Camarota
Download the .pdf version
County and MSA Data

Analysis of birth records shows that in 2002 almost one in four births in the United States was to an
immigrant mother, legal and illegal, the highest level in American history. The enormous number and proportion of children from immigrant families may overwhelm the assimilation process, making it difficult to integrate these new second-generation Americans. At present, the U.S. government automatically gives American citizenship to all people born in the country, even the children of tourists and illegal aliens.1

Among the study's findings:

* In 2002, 23 percent of all births in the United States were to immigrant mothers (legal or illegal), compared to 15 percent in 1990, 9 percent in 1980, and 6 percent in 1970.

* Even at the peak of the last great wave of immigration in 1910, births to immigrant mothers accounted for a slightly smaller share than today. After 1910 immigration was reduced, but current immigration continues at record levels, thus births to immigrants will continue to increase.

* Our best estimate is that 383,000 or 42 percent of births to immigrants are to illegal alien mothers. Births to illegals now account for nearly one out of every 10 births in the United States.

* The large number of births to illegals shows that the longer illegal immigration is allowed to persist, the harder the problem is to solve. Because as U.S. citizens these children can stay permanently, their citizenship can prevent a parent's deportation, and once adults they can sponsor their parents for permanent residence.

* The large number of children born to illegals also shows that a "temporary" worker program is unrealistic because it would result in hundreds of thousands of permanent additions to the U.S. population each year, exactly what such a program is supposed to avoid.

* Overall, immigrant mothers are much less educated than native mothers. In 2002, 39 percent of immigrant mothers lacked a high school education, compared to 17 percent of native mothers. And immigrants now account for 41 percent of births to mothers without a high school degree.

* The dramatic growth in births to immigrants has been accompanied by a decline in diversity. In 1970, the top country for immigrant births -- Mexico -- accounted for 24 percent of births to immigrants, by 2002 it was 45 percent.

* As a share of all births in the country, Mexican immigrants accounted for one in 10 births in 2002. No single foreign country has ever accounted for such a large share of births.


* In 2002, births to Hispanic immigrants accounted for 59 percent of all births to immigrant mothers. No single cultural/linguistic group has ever accounted for such a large share of births to immigrants.

* The states with the most dramatic increase in births to immigrants in the last decade are Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Nebraska, Arkansas, Arizona, Tennessee, Minnesota, Colorado, Delaware, Virginia, and Maryland

* Immigrants account for such a large percentage of births because they have somewhat higher fertility and are more likely to be in their reproductive years than natives. However, the difference with natives is not large enough to significantly affect the nation's overall age structure.

* Immigrants who have arrived in the last two decades plus all of their U.S.-born children have only reduced the average age in the United States from 37 to 36 years.

* Looking at the working age share (15 to 64) of the population also shows little effect from immigration. With or without post-1980 immigrants and their U.S.-born children, 66 percent of the population is of working age.

* While immigration has little effect on the nation's age structure, new immigrants (legal and illegal) plus births to immigrants add some 2.3 million people to the nation's population each year, making for a much larger overall population.
Introduction
It is difficult to imagine a government program that has a more profound impact on society than immigration. Large numbers of immigrants and their descendants cannot help but shape the destiny of the country in which they settle. (The terms "immigrant" and "foreign born" are used synonymously in this report.) Even after the original immigrant dies or returns home, his children and descendants will continue to exert a powerful influence on their new country's demographic, political, economic, and cultural life. Examining births to immigrants is therefore important, because it is a way of measuring the scale of immigration and its impact on American society. This is especially true because the U.S. government has chosen to award American citizenship to all persons born in the United States, including those born to temporary visitors or even illegal aliens. As citizens, it seems almost certain that the vast majority of these children will live in America.

Why Study Immigrant Births?
Public Expenditures on Children. All levels of government provide services to children. Therefore, it is necessary to understand the effect of immigration policy on the number of children being born in the United States in order to better anticipate spending on services, especially public schools. Children from immigrant families may also have needs that are different from those of children from native families. Given the large share of births to immigrants, how these children integrate into American society is critically important to the future of the country. Thus a better understanding of immigration's impact on births is necessary so that government may better meet the needs of these children.

Assimilating the Children of Immigrants. There are now more than 30 million immigrants living in the country. It is sometimes suggested that because immigrants are now so numerous it lowers their interaction with natives and reduces their need to integrate fully into American society. Advocates of high immigration often respond that immigrants account for a smaller share of the population today than during the peak of the last great wave of immigration, yet those immigrants integrated successfully. These advocates seem to be saying that the relative sizes of the immigrant and native population matter, but we have not reached the level of the last great wave, so there is little reason to worry.

Of course, given the enormous changes in the world, it is not clear that comparing current immigration with that of a century ago makes sense. Nor is it clear that the very peak level of immigration, which itself was unusual in American history, is the best point of comparison. Nonetheless, it is true that at the very peak of the last great wave in 1910, the foreign born were a larger share of the total population -- about 15 percent versus 12 percent today. However, examining births to immigrants is relevant to the assimilation debate because it is another way of measuring the scale of immigration and its impact on American society.

Although children born to immigrants are by definition natives, the number and share they represent of all births may have some bearing on how they assimilate. After all, if births to immigrants comprise a very large share of all births, then children from immigrant families may tend to interact primarily with each other, having little contact with the children of natives. As a result, foreign cultural norms, values, and even identities may be dominant among these children. Of course, the fact that a very large share of children may come from immigrant families does not necessarily prove that assimilation will be less complete, since assimilation is a multifaceted and complex process. But the issue of births to immigrants certainly is germane to the debate over the likely course of assimilation.

Research on the Second Generation. The changing share of immigrant births is important because it may help us to better understand how things are changing for the children of immigrants. Researchers often examine the assimilation of adults who had immigrant parents, referred to as second-generation Americans. But the environment in which such individuals grew up may have fundamentally changed. For example, an American born three decades age to immigrant parents was raised in a country where only about one out of 20 U.S.-born children had a foreign-born mother compared to one in four today. The situation for the children of Mexican immigrants is even more striking. In 1970, 54,000 children were born to Mexican immigrant mothers and they accounted for 1.5 percent of all births. In 2002, 408,000 children were born to Mexican immigrant mothers, accounting for 10.1 percent of all births. This change likely will have significant impact on the childhood experience for these children. A person born to immigrants 30 years ago may have grown up with relatively very little contact with other children whose mothers came from the same country. But given the enormous growth in numbers, a child born to an immigrant today may have a very different sense of identity. We at least need to be aware of how things have changed when thinking about the experiences of second-generation Americans.

Characteristics of Those Having Children. Another reason to examine births to immigrants is that it provides some insight into the environment that the children of immigrants are being born into. For example, data are available on the education level of each child's mother. Education is important because it is the single best indicator of income and overall socio-economic status. Parental education levels are also a good predictor of how much education the child will ultimately obtain. Thus, examining characteristics such as education provides important clues to the life prospects of these children, and how they may differ from those born to native mothers.


This article continues just google it.

How do you know that? What makes you assume that? You should not make such assumptions about people. As Lady's Human pointed out, being brown-skinned and dirty from working in the fields does not make you an illegal immigrant - many US born, native for many generations of farmers would fit that description. Farming is hard, physical labor, and involves being in the sun, and getting dirty.

I am not saying there are no illegal immigrants among the group you are talking about, but if you are so upset about it, why not call ICE?

[Asiel]

Mariglod I'm not from the U.S. but we have all nationalities here that you can think of. I'm sure we have the "illegals" as you call them , funny no matter what colour they are I have no clue if they are illegal or not. For some reason they all look like human beings, maybe my eyesight is very bad.

Don't you think some of your U.S, citizens abuse your system as well as any one else does because out here we have people born here who abuse our system worse than the "illegals" as you call them.

[RICHARD]

I have to shatter some myths about the 'Illegals'.


In downtown El Lay you could drive around McArthur park and see guys gesturing that they had 'documents' for sale.

You could get almost anything for I.D. purposes.

I worked with a clerk in the records room that sold birth certificates, complete with a real doctor's signature out of the office.

They way it worked was to get the doc to presign the forms, then the clerk would fill them in and make a copy of the form that was to be submitted to the hall of records. Give it to the mom and their kids are registered for school.

Any school system would take that copy as a declaration that the child was indeed born here in the U.S...

Because the U.S. system of record keeping is so disjointed-anyone can and will get somekind of paperwork to make them 'legal'. There's people that share identities and social security numbers.


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The US government HAS to put pressure on the Mex government to make their northern border as strong as the southern access to thier company.

The border between Central America and Mexico is way tougher to cross than you may think.


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THere has to be some fine tuning to this law -I am not comfortable with the local police departments having that much power. Most of the time illegals are part of the crime problem here-not because they are the criminals.
It's because they will not report a crime for fear of being found to be illegal and then being fearful of being deported.


So, some crimes just are not reported.

There a way too many pros and cons in this conversation and most of them, on either side, are way too close to the truth.

Instead of acting wacky and stupid with boycotts of Arizona, more thought needs to be put into the idea of immigration laws.


BTW,

The Prez was able to solve the health care reform?!?!?!?

I am sure he can work a miracle for Immi Laws and then have time for the Oil Slick in the Gulf...

Just wondering.