Ultimatum *updated with results!*

[Craftlady]

I used the psychic because a behaviorialist charges $80.00 per half hour. She charges only $30.00 for as many readings as needed. And she really did help. Melissa (doolittleky) used her and had an AMAZING reading, and she was right on. It is all in if you want to take your chances, I think you will be surprised. And she emails you all of her reading, so you dont have to bother writing and listening at the same time. GOOD LUCK EITHER WAY!!!

Dang, money making adventure.
Syliva Brown is only pyschic that is real in my opinion. Rest just feed off what the person who is asking the questions says to them. If we would remain silent they wouldnt be able to do a reading.

[Catty1]

Well, this pet psychic DOES require a photo of the pet.

If there are people who have used a pet psychic, and it HASN'T helped, they ought to post here and balance the picture.

All I have heard of her so far is that her readings have worked!

And if all she wanted was money, she would charge way more than $30 an hour! Plus, she will do the reading first, and wait for the pay whenever it can be done.

I base my opinion here on the eivdence, not the opinions. And I mean no offense to you, Craftlady. But Catnapper and hubby are in a tough spot with Allan.

Maybe after his "room" is clean, he will feel better.

PT Prayers are at work too!

HUGS

[Prairie Purrs]

Pee dribbles and a sad expression would make me think that he's physically uncomfortable. Is it possible that, given his history of UTIs, that the vet simply put him on antibiotics without giving him a really thorough examination?

[Craftlady]

I know they are in a tough spot, Cathy. They are also in a financial pickle too and I dont want them to spend money that has a potential of being a waste of money.

I based my opinion on experince with readers that took what you say/said and turn it around to make it appear they said it and thought it.

I'm very leary of someone who calls themselves a "psychic".

I'd rather Catnapper spend the money at the vets to get tests done etc to solve the problem than to relay on a psychic to make the problem go away.

[catnapper]

I still haven't decided what to do about Allen and the psychic. Most likely I'll save my money and let the vet see him first. Then I'll call the psychic as a last ditch effort if my vet is stumped.

He's made himself scarce all day after I cleaned "his room" and let me tell you, I knew the room was bad, but not THAT bad. I wouldn't blame him for being mad about the room either. It was a certified disaster zone. There's something sticky on the carpet... I don't even want to know what it might be. Ashley took out two 50 gallon bags of trash last week. I took out one this morning. Hubby filled THREE trash cans the other day -- all from my son's room! The sad thing was that it was in perfect shape, perfectly clean when he returned from college in June. All that trash was from him living there June, July, and August. DISGUSTING! No wonder Allen's been protesting! I would be too! We'll see if the newly cleaned out room makes a difference the next few days. Anyone in a betting mood? 50/50 odds that the clean room stops the peeing

[jenluckenbach]

Small dribbles means something physical. Irritation from infection or crystals.......blockage..........or like with Simba, just an inflammed bladder. If it were a marking behavior you'd have a normal amount of urine.

As for the possibility of stress, does the recent bout coincide with the moving of the large work table?

[catnapper]

As for the possibility of stress, does the recent bout coincide with the moving of the large work table?

Ummmm.... good question. Not really. Its escallated since then but he was definately peeing before that. I caught him peeing on the kitchen floor the day before the idea even popped into my head. Though I'd say it has definately gotten worse since the table was moved. VERY good point Jen because he had taken ownership of the table.

He's also probably confused where he should be fed at mealtimes now. He always was fed on the scratching post whereas everyone else ate on the same table... it made his status as King all the more evident. Now everyone is fed in different locations. Two on my desk. One on the scratching post, one next to the water fountain and one on the window ledge. Nobody really has a designated spot - they run to whichever dish they can get ownership of. Typically they run to the first dish where food is put, then follow to the second, the third, the fourth, and the fifth until they settle on a dish.... though they've always done that, but left Allen's scratching post dish open for Allen (his dish usually got served first) Does all that make sense?

[catnapper]

CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP CRAP -- I really want to be saying something else right now.

I was sitting ehre talking about Allen when I watched Pouncer enter the litterbox. He jumped out. I thought nothing of it. Now he's back again. Straining to pee. Sigh. Is he sick again? Is he the mad pee-er?

God help me. Now I need to take both boys to the vet. I can not tell you which one is the pee-er. I've WITNESSED Allen peeing, and now Pouncer's doing the littlerbox dance he does when he's sick.

There he goes back into the box... he's been in and out fo the box 3 times since I started to write this post.

I'm too tired to cry right now.

Edit: I called the vet and both boys will go in on Tuesday. $115 just to see the vet and have an urinalysis. Thats not including meds or food. I know the food is $45. If you'll excuse me, I'll be the one in the fetal position under my desk. Seriously, can one day go by without drama? I'm not going to be able to sleep now for worry about Pouncer blocking. Why didn't I notice his signs sooner? I see them clear as day right now -- jumping in and out of the litterbox, licking himself.... I swear it just started just now. I know to watch for the signs of him doing just that and haven't seen any til now. Now I feel bad blaming Allen when it could very well have been Pouncer. But I'll still take both boys just in case.

[Catsnclay]

What type of food do you feed them? I know that the ash content is very important for males - although I can't remember if it is high ash or low ash - sorry. But it looks like you do have a problem.

I know you now this, but sometimes repeating it will help, so here goes (don't get mad, I'm just trying to help!):

Cats do NOT like change in their lives, sounds like Allen has had a lot of change recently. Go back to feeding him first, and where he likes to be fed. Have you moved his favorite bed? The scratching post, did you move that? How about his litter box?

You said he had to share a room with your son, did he enjoy doing that? Now that your son is gone, maybe Allen can have "his" room back - give him a few days to get reaquianted with that. Are the other kitties picking on him? If so, why??

Are they drinking enough? Maybe adding wet food with water - mix it like a soup will give him more water in his diet.

You have to play pet dectective and find out what is bugging them. If you think it is UTI, then go to the vet (I know you already have an appointment) Antibiotics will help with the UTI, but not if it behaviorial.

My Yoshi is a pee-boy and he is on "kitty porzac". It is not very expensive, it is like $12.00 and it lasts 3 1/2 months - and well worth every cent of it!! But, he is on it for life but this is a very small price to pay to keep everyone healthy & happy in this house. Talk with you vet about medications, there are several different types, so your vet will know the best one for Allen.

Good luck & hang in there! I know how frustrating this is, but don't give up on them. This is there only way of expressing their frustration to us!

[Randi]

To me it sounds like he's trying to tell you something. Most likely he has an infection or is blocking up with crystals.

Fister blocked up several times and was flushed throgh 3 times at the vet, 2-3 months apart, and we kept him on Hills S/D as the vet suggested. He still blocked up - OK, not as quite as bad, but still. The vet told us that he was not allowed one single shrimp!

Well, in the end we had him operated. If you do a search, you'll find the threads about the problem and how we handled it. Boots, (Cinder & Smoke's) also had this operation. Sasvermont posted some very good links too.

All the best of luck finding a solution, and scritchies to Allen.

[Lizzie]

Kim - I think it's time that Allen and Pouncer got some PT help. If you feel you can do this, please let someone like Jen know your vet's name and phone number so that those of us who want to help can call and put $5 or so into your account. Would that work or am I talking out of the back of my hat? You have to get those boys to the vet, you have no choice.

[catnapper]

See, I'm totally kicking myself right now. I know Pouncer needs to be on special diet. I just could not afford it last month. I ordered it, I just never had the money to pick it up, so he's been eating Nutro. If this costs me $200 just because he didn't eat his special food... then I'll scream Lesson learned - do not substitute Pouncer's food for anything, especially when things change around here since I know he stresses so easily.

All I can say is thank God for people who are true friends - I do have the money for this vet visit.

Edit: Lizzie, I saw your post... I would love nothing more for anyone to help, but I hate feeling like I'm asking for handouts. I really do. But let me tell you, this experience has helped make me a better person. In all my house cleaning the past two weeks I've sent out a LOT of stuff on Freecycle. I thought a young college kid was going to kiss me last night when I gave her my old art portfolio. She said that even in the condition I gave it to her (pretty battered), it was worth over $100 - new ones apparently run over $200. Hubby's eyes got real big and I could tell he was wondering why I didn't try to sell it.... the reason was because it was something I had to give. I felt good knowing I was able to help out a college kid and make her feel as lucky as I do getting the help PTers already gave me. I truly believe in paying it forward.. someday I can do more and when another Ter needs my help I'll be there to do whatever I can. (((hugs)))

[jenluckenbach]

I just could not afford it last month. I ordered it, I just never had the money to pick it up, so he's been eating Nutro. If this costs me $200 just because he didn't eat his special food... then I'll scream Lesson learned - do not substitute Pouncer's food for anything,

Now here is a lesson I learned a LOOOOONG time ago. The cost of the correst food is SOOOOO much less than vet visits to correct the problems.

But don't toally kick yourself. After all, you KNOW Allen is partly to blame and he was never prescribed that food. (that may NOT be his problem). I tell you, after the episode with Simba where he dribbled on the floor, and the urinalysis turned up NO infection and NO crystals. The vet thought his bladder was inflammed, gave him a steroid and something else, and he is as good as ever.

[Sevaede]

I am so sorry that Allen is having potty issues!

When we were living with Troys parents, if we BOTH left to go do something, Soni would relieve himself (1 or 2) on their bed. We solved this by keeping him locked in our room while we were gone (as he didn't do it while he was in there).

[rkidsrcats]

just want to put our 2 cents in that we think it sounds physical and not behavioral. After the ordeal Pippin has been through and the fact that his first urinalysis turned up no crystals and no infection.....we hope the vet visit for both Pouncer and Allen give you more information. When we finally did the ultrasound on Pip's bladder, you could see the crystals had accumulated in there clear as day. A second urinalysis confirmed it. And he was very uncomfortable, very depressed and sick from it irritating his bladder. And he pretty much felt like he had to pee 24/7, so he was in and out of the cat boxes all the time. And then he started going on some towels in the closet and that's where we first saw the blood in his urine. He took antibiotics at first, but I think that just alleviated some symptoms for a while and masked the real problem... the crystals. Thankfully, my vet was pretty insistent that we do further tests.

So sorry you are having to go through all this with Allen - he's such a sweety and you love him so much - it is hard to see them not doing well.
Good luck