Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[Karen]

We, the American people, elected BHO. If you do not like politicians in office, don't vote for the incumbents.

One of the founding principles of our country is separation of church and state, and every American is free to pursue the religion of his or her choice.

If you don;t like that, you can move elsewhere, in my humble opinion.

[Bonny]

Not everyone voted for BHO & a lot of people that did aren't happy with the results.Yes, the Muslims can move back to their own country where they don't have to worship among us Infidels. This country was settled by Christian people with a whole different set of beliefs & values then the Muslims. This is my country & I don't plan on leaving it anytime soon. Forget being humble because that is what is wrong with this counrtry.

[Karen]

Not everyone voted for BHO & a lot of people that did aren't happy with the results.Yes, the Muslims can move back to their own country where they don't have to worship among us Infidels. This country was settled by Christian people with a whole different set of beliefs & values then the Muslims. This is my country & I don't plan on leaving it anytime soon. Forget being humble because that is what is wrong with this counrtry.

They don't need to move - they are as welcome here as any other religious group. What do you have against our beloved Popcornbird, for example?

And if you want to get picky about it, there were people here before white settlers arrived who were not Christians, and it's their country, too. You'd likely have little in common with the Pilgrims, if you looked at what they believed, do you celebrate Christmas? Easter? They didn't.

Not everyone voted for BHO, and sure people are allowed to complain about any politician, but this is a participatory democracy. As Americans, we understand - or should, anyway - that sometimes our party doesn't win, but rather than just complaining, if we don't like the results, we still have to live with it, and work for change in the next election. That's how it works.

[Bonny]

The people that were here before the white settlers killed each other. They all didn't live in peace & harmony. Where did they come from?

We don't have to live with it. That is why we are fighting a war.

[Karen]

The people that were here before the white settlers killed each other. They all didn't live in peace & harmony. Where did they come from?

We don't have to live with it. That is why we are fighting a war.

There were many tribes, that were peaceful, and some that were not. Where they came from in generally thought to be crossing the Bering Straight from Russia and Asia long before countries existed.

[Puckstop31]

We, the American people, elected BHO.

And hopefully the lesson has been learned.

One of the founding principles of our country is separation of church and state,

It is? I always find how people take this...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

And turn it into "Government cannot be religious." All because of a private letter from Jefferson to an Anabaptist minister.

Show me where "separation of church and state" is in the Constitution.

But...

and every American is free to pursue the religion of his or her choice.

100% agreed. But NOT because of the idea of "separation of church and state." Because the 1st Amendment says so.

If you don;t like that, you can move elsewhere, in my humble opinion.

Always amusing to hear people say this.... Pray tell, WHERE?

[Karen]

100% agreed. But NOT because of the idea of "separation of church and state." Because the 1st Amendment says so.

Always amusing to hear people say this.... Pray tell, WHERE?

I count the Amendments as part of the totality of the Constitution.

As for where to move, well, you'd have to pick which kind of religion you'd like to follow. If you want a place that's entirely - or even mostly one religion, there's Vatican City and its environs, for Catholic, Saudi Arabia for Muslim, Armenia for Armenian Apostolic, Greece for Greek Orthodox - The Scandinavian countries for Lutheran - though there you'd still have to put up with more than 10% non-Lutherans ...

[Bonny]

So the Indians came from someplace else just like us. We will end up just like the Indians someday on reservations serving the Muslims in their country the United States of Muslimham. Sounds stupid doesn't it, but we keep acting like a bunch of whimps & it is happening now right under our eyes. There was something about the Roman Empire how the people became lazy & didn't really care anymore about their freedom & they lost it.

[Karen]

So the Indians came from someplace else just like us. We will end up just like the Indians someday on reservations serving the Muslims in their country the United States of Muslimham. Sounds stupid doesn't it, but we keep acting like a bunch of whimps & it is happening now right under our eyes. There was something about the Roman Empire how the people became lazy & didn't really care anymore about their freedom & they lost it.

What makes you think Muslims are trying to take over our country?

And you may not remember it, but when you joined Pet Talk, you had to agree that "By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-oriented, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

What makes you think we Americans are wimps? How many men and women have to die in war for you to take back such a comment? Not enough bloodshed for you?

[Bonny]

I am not being HATEFUL AS YOU LIKE TO PUT IT KAREN. Everyone else can come on here & speak their peace. 911 should just be ignored it was a big mistake. We are called Infidels lets just ignore that. The real men & women are fighting a war the rest of us can just sit around & twiddling our thumbs while our government plays chess with our men & women fighting the war. Checkmate!

[wombat2u2004]

I am not being HATEFUL AS YOU LIKE TO PUT IT KAREN. Everyone else can come on here & speak their peace. 911 should just be ignored it was a big mistake. We are called Infidels lets just ignore that. The real men & women are fighting a war the rest of us can just sit around & twiddling our thumbs while our government plays chess with our men & women fighting the war. Checkmate!

No Bonny, you are not being hateful. You are just frustrated at the inability of your elected pollies and the apathetic majority who choose to sweep the silent invasion under the mat.
And a silent invasion it is. Just take a look around the world, and see what Islam has done to other countries. Persecuting Christians is written right there in the Koran.....go read it.....it's got some REAL interesting stuff in it.
But.....we are hit time and time again by the old "Mars Attacks" routine..."We come in peace...We come in peace".
Islam HATES America, and HATES what it stands for....always has.
I'll give the good old USA about 20 or 30 years, enough time for the Muslim immigrants and their breeding habits to get the numbers up, and vote their own into power. Then the Constitution and it's Amendments, including your own Separation of the Powers won't be worth the paper they are written on. You will have Sharia Law, and your country will be run accordingly. There will be no Freedom of Religion....if you are Christian or anything else other than Muslim, you will be disadvantaged.

I think where Karen goes wrong, is where she states "One of the founding principles of our country is separation of church and state, and every American is free to pursue the religion of his or her choice."
It's all about integration.
Are Scandanavian people allowed to marry Jews and each retain their own religion ??? Yes.
Are Mexican Catholics allowed to marry a WASP's, and each retain their own religion ??? Yes.
Are Muslims allowed to marry Christians and each retain their own religion ???
No!!!

[wombat2u2004]

the United States of Muslimham.

Hee hee.......starting with Muslimcheusetts

[Karen]

Hee hee.......starting with Muslimcheusetts

What do you know about my state - just what the right-wing media portrays?

What is the most common religion here, do you know? Do you have a clue?

Why the heck would you even say "Muslimcheusetts" - have you any clue what it is like to live here?

And Bonny, stating that all Muslims should move out of this country is hateful.

How dare you say that anyone thinks 9/11 should be ignored? How many people you know personally were killed that day? How many screams of personal anguish did you hear that day?

How am I any less a real woman than anyone else?

How many family members do you have currently serving in the military? How many who have served but are now retired?

And wombat, why do you care to cast aspersions on our country, and never comment on your own politicians? You know, there are Muslims in Australia, too ... as well as other non-Christians ...

[wombat2u2004]

A new America is coming


It isn't about subjugation.....it's about RESPECT !!!!!
And if you don't agree, you'll be stoned to death.

[Puckstop31]

I count the Amendments as part of the totality of the Constitution.
As for where to move, well, you'd have to pick which kind of religion you'd like to follow. If you want a place that's entirely - or even mostly one religion, there's Vatican City and its environs, for Catholic, Saudi Arabia for Muslim, Armenia for Armenian Apostolic, Greece for Greek Orthodox - The Scandinavian countries for Lutheran - though there you'd still have to put up with more than 10% non-Lutherans ...

I understand that the Amendments are part of the entire Constitution. Why did you need to mention that?


Also the "move" comment was a retorical question. I'm not leaving this country. It is the last stand on Earth for Liberty.

All this being said... I stand by my comments that "separation of church and state" is NOT a founding principle. Freedom to worship as one chooses IS.