Please sign this thank you card for our military overseas!

[Maddog]

i signed it i was number 1,402,833! My cuzin is in the service and i respect what all the troups are tryin to do!





Country Hick From Redneck Central

[Ann]

Me not wanting to sign that paper/petition/card has nothing to do with me not being American; it only has to do with my loathing of war, no matter what country takes part in it. But thanks for clarifying it all anyways

[Dakota's Mommy]

Ann, I really don't mean to upset or offend you. But I just want you to know the truth about something. Not all of our soldiers are overseas for reasons of war. Look at how many soldiers are stationed over in Germany and other parts of Europe where they are aloud to bring their wife and children. Then theres, such as my husband last year, who were stationed over in Korea. This is not to fight a war, but to try to stop one from breaking out between North and South Korea. Plus, as I believe somebody mentioned before, many of these such soldiers are not in favor of war or fighting in some of these countries. They really do wish things could be resolved in other ways. However, once a soldier comes down on orders, there aren't too many things that are going to get him out of it. These soldiers do have to follow their orders.

Again, you are entitled to your own opinions and I respect that, I just felt you should know the truth about some of our soldiers over in other countries. I also want to thank those of you who are supporting our troops. For those soldiers, being away from their families and friends is a very hard thing to do, but they do it for America and freedom! Personally, I'm very proud of what my husband does for this country.

[Cataholic]

I am sure this will bring on the wrath of a few people, but, I will say it anyhow..you live too far away to come punch me in the nose anyhow.

I can't really imagine someone sitting around saying, "Hey, let's go start a war, and kill people, I think it is just what this world needs, and I don't have anything better to do but risk my life, my fellow countrymen's lives, and the opponents lives. What the heck, let's go to war!".

I think war is a necessary evil. It is premised on someone's belief system that something needs to be done to rectify, correct, or halt someone else's position. There has been much war in this world that was done because if SOMEONE didn't step up to the plate, another situation far worse would happen. So, we can argue that it country x 'shouldn't' be involved, that the US does it just to keep on top of someone else, that attacking these people won't change the status of this other country...whatever.

We all receive media that is SLANTED, and being an American, I have heard all the rhetoric that as an American, I am being brainwashed by the American government so as to be kept in the dark about what is 'really' going on in the world...but, I just can't believe it is only the Americans that are butting in where they don't belong, that Americans are the only ones that don't 'get' what is really going on, that we are the instigators of all that is evil. I guess the government has done a good job with me. I support the concept of war, I prefer to live here, I do enjoy the democractic way, and I am thankful for those that serve, protect, and defend (and look suh-weet in uniform....he he he..).

[mugsy]

You know...there is something about a Marine in his dress blues isn't there??? MMMM..... Sorry Mike....Army uniforms just aren't as cool. Although my nephew's Airborne was pretty cool. You know that it's funny, but I've never seen a picture of Mike in his dress uniform.

You know Johanna, you made a good point. Everyone always gets on the U.S.'s back about getting involved in other countries, but aren't THEY guilty of the same thing?? Hmmmm....good thought.

[Cataholic]

Mugsy- it is that age old (biblical?) saying, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Everyone is still a person, regardless of nationality. Americans get as much propoganda as anyone else. It is human nature, when you are presenting your view, to present it in such a way that will best get your point across. I went to a small liberal arts college. As a political science major, my instructors were largely non americans. I don't know why, maybe just coincidence. I am not claiming anything biased, or strange here. I would constantly hear, "You Americans...you just look at it from the American view, as fed to you by your American government". OK, where is the problem? Did this person think the Armenian government was 'feeding' it's people the Mexican viewpoint? Of course not. (I just picked two countries..nothing meant by the selections).

I will admit to a very American way of thinking. I don't think it is the ONLY way for anything to work. I like somethings here better than other places. I prefer our health system..of course, I have a largely company paid insurance plan...so, I am looking at it from a rather skewed viewpoint. I like our political freedom, while I recognize others have a good system, many do not. I like our social atmosphere...religious freedom, cohabitation, marriage laws. Yes, other countries have the same, or similar, but, in my opinion, American has more of what I want...and yes, it is where I have spent the vast vast majority of my time. My sister has dual citizenship with Italy. We enjoy a healthy debate over similar issues. Strangely, though, her complaints about life in the states vs. life in Italy does not center on fundamental political issues, rather, it is more lifestyle or social issues...or maybe cultural issues. She prefers life in Italy, over the US (traitor... ), but, I can't truly say it is for any reason other than lifestyle.

I think it is taking the good with the bad, and on a whole, I think as a country, overall, we have more going for us than against us, and our issues are more 'right' than 'wrong'...

[Chinadoll]

You know...there is something about a Marine in his dress blues isn't there??? MMMM..... Sorry Mike....Army uniforms just aren't as cool.

Ain't that the truth?! Me and my Marine at the Birthday Ball. I love when he wears his dress blues. (Not the greatest pic of me, but Joey looks good!)


I'm so glad people are showing their support...these guys need all the support they can get. And to those that do not support the war..I can respect your opinion...who can really say they are happy that a war is going on....but it does happen and these men are fighting for what they believe in and they have my full support. What was that saying back from when people were protesting Vietnam...something about hating the war, but not the soldiers? (I have a bad memory)

[Cataholic]

Originally posted by Chinadoll


I love when he wears his dress blues. (Not the greatest pic of me, but Joey looks good!)

Chinadoll- there are enough people in this world that will try to bring you down with insults, unkind words, remarks, etc., that you don't need to do it to yourself...you look beautiful in that picture.

[Chinadoll]

Originally posted by Cataholic


Chinadoll- there are enough people in this world that will try to bring you down with insults, unkind words, remarks, etc., that you don't need to do it to yourself...you look beautiful in that picture.

Well, then...Thank you very much

[Soledad]

I agree with you Cataholic on many of your points. But I think what Mugsy and yourself are forgetting is that America is the dominant world power. We infringe on other countries' sovereignty on a regular basis, and this is what the rest of the world gets upset over. Especially when we do not honor our UN agreements, but expect other countries to. It's about hypocrisy, and just because "other countries do it" doesn't mean it's okay for us.

[Lillycat]

count me in....i was 1,455,783!!!!

[iceyshiver21]

I signed!!! My uncle just retired from the militry he was a wepons checker person thingy.

[Soledad]

Excuse me, Slave, but I think you need to seriously alter your tone if you're addressing me on this issue. Try scrolling up a bit, and you will see that I said nothing against US soldiers.

I will not get involved in a debate with someone who is so irrational that they attack me without taking the time to read everything I'd posted.

Get a grip, I agree with you on more than you'd think.

P.S. I think the word you were looking for is spelled elusive.

[mugsy]

I will attest to the fact that Mike is aloof and evasive when asked about his military years. I understand that he can't talk about it, so I don't ask. Like I have said in other posts, My family comes from a long rich military tradition and that is why I will support our military in what ever it is that they do. While I disagree with our government's stands on many issues, I will also say that I will back it and all that it represents also. I'm sorry Soledad, I still feel that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world. And if it's so bad, why are people worldwide so desperate to get here?

I also don't think Mike was attacking YOU. As a veteran, this thread struck a chord and he felt that he had to post, he didn't say anything that other people, including myself, haven't already said, so I'm not sure why his post got your back up. Also, the catty little spelling correction was tacky. Many people on here don't spell or use correct grammar all the time (me included) and to point it out is just snotty.

I never meant for this thread to get nasty either. All I wanted was for people who support our troops to sign a card for them this holiday season and suddenly it had to become a debate over whether our troops should be sent into Iraq and how the U.S. isn't all it's cracked up to be.

[DoggiesAreTheBest]

Chinadoll, I like that picture you posted!
Here's one of my husband and I two years ago. We will be attending another Military Ball in December.


And Andrew and I on Family day.