Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[RICHARD]

I love the arguement that Hamas has the 'right' to shoot off rockets into Israel.


Let's put it into modern day ideals.

You buy a house in a neighborhood.
The house was taken over by the bank for one reason or another-that reason may not be right, but the previous owners were evicted.
The people who live in that house before come back and start to break windows with rocks.

When you toss rocks back to defend yourself you hit some of the hooligans that are causing the problems...

WHo is right?

The effing Hamas and all the people who support them and their murderous little pranks are wrong. I also love the idea of taking young men and women and convincing them to strap a bomb on and blow up a bus, car, school or checkpoint to make a point!

The Palis do deserve a safe and harmonious place to live, but they elected a bunch of moron, evil bees turds to run their 'government'.


They want peace, they should come to the table with their hands empty, as opposed to throwing rocks before they walk into the door, they crying to the world community that they are being treated cruelly.

Sometimes you have to eat a little poop before anyone believes what you have to say.....and I haven't seen it.

[caseysmom]

The palestenians are caught in the middle, hamas gets funded from countries that want to take down israel. The hamas uses that money and feeds the palestenians and put schools up, the palestenians elect the hamas cuz that is where they get there food and how they survive.

[Randi]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

[Lady's Human]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

[jennielynn1970]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

Israel wants to control everything. Their flag says it all. The blue lines represent rivers. The star represents the people in between. They want to control what lies between the rivers, and that's a lot of land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, all the land in between is supposed to be an Israeli land.

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

Israel, in my opinion, should not exist. It should be Palestine. I wish everyone could live peacefully under that name, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I just don't see it happening.

Unfortunately, all the US does is back Israel. We do whatever they tell us to do (the government). We're just a puppet state for them, really. Heaven forbid we actually say we think that Palestinians have a right to want their land back, or that Fatah and Hammas are fighting for their rights and their land.

Both Israel and Hammas are armed. You can't say that one is wrong and the other is not. They both are fighting, and they both are killing, and the innocent are stuck in the middle. The whole situation just sucks.

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Israel wants to control everything. Their flag says it all. The blue lines represent rivers. The star represents the people in between. They want to control what lies between the rivers, and that's a lot of land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, all the land in between is supposed to be an Israeli land.

Then why, time after time, does Israel offer and abide by cease fires with the Palistinians? Why are some Palistinians citizens of Isreal, with freedom of travel in Israels borders?

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

Your proof is.....? And second hand stories from your ex does not qualify as proof.

Israel, in my opinion, should not exist. It should be Palestine. I wish everyone could live peacefully under that name, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I just don't see it happening.

I believe to be historicly/biblicly correct it should be Philistine. The Jews have made many attemps to make peace with the Palistinians only to be shot in the face and have their children blown up.

Unfortunately, all the US does is back Israel. We do whatever they tell us to do (the government). We're just a puppet state for them, really. Heaven forbid we actually say we think that Palestinians have a right to want their land back, or that Fatah and Hammas are fighting for their rights and their land.

Heaven forbid, should we publicly back people and groups attacking civilians and children in the name of getting their land back? Should we publicly back groups that attack innocents and then use their own innocents as shields?

Both Israel and Hammas are armed. You can't say that one is wrong and the other is not. They both are fighting, and they both are killing, and the innocent are stuck in the middle. The whole situation just sucks.

Yes it sucks, but why cant I say it is wrong to use civilians as a shield and a tool for death and destruction? Why cant I say its wrong to agree to a cease fire and then launch rockets into civilian centers or sending out suicide/homicide bombers?

[jennielynn1970]

Did I say I was "quoting" my ex?? Did I mention him in the last how many posts?? No. I'm just saying what I think from what I've read.

Both parties use innocents. Both parties have killed innocents. I just don't see how it's going to have any kind of ending. Or anything peaceable.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

[jennielynn1970]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

People were there, not "Israelis".

People.

Israel did NOT exist before WWII.

[Grace]

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces.
Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

People were there, not "Israelis".

People.
Israel did NOT exist before WWII.

Jews were there, along with Palestinians. Jews have been in that area for centuries. Israel is the very embodiment of Jewish continuity: It is the only nation on earth that inhabits the same land, bears the same name, speaks the same language, and worships the same God that it did 3,000 years ago. You dig the soil and you find pottery from Davidic times, coins from Bar Kokhba, and 2,000-year-old scrolls.
The name Israel derives from the name given to Jacob. The name Jew derives from Yehuda (Judah) one of the 12 sons of Jacob (Reuben, Shimon, Levi, Yehuda, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Yisachar, Zevulun, Yosef, Binyamin). So, the names Israel, Israeli or Jewish refer to people of the same origin.

The people of modern day Israel share the same language and culture shaped by the Jewish heritage and religion passed through generations starting with the founding father Abraham (ca. 1800 BCE). Thus, Jews have had continuous presence in the land of Israel for the past 3,300 years.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

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A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

Nobody.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Nobody.

Really?

About 14,000 years ago, humans crossed the Bering land bridge from Siberia to North America, most experts agree.

http://www.livescience.com/history/0....html#comments

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Nobody.

My Native American kinfolk and I beg to differ with you on this!

QUOTE: So should we give the continent back to the original settlers of the continent and move back to where ever the heck we came from?
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Ok, but tell me which country those of us with mixed heritages should go back to? Besides, I did come from this country!

[jennielynn1970]

Let's put it into modern day ideals.

You buy a house in a neighborhood.
The house was taken over by the bank for one reason or another-that reason may not be right, but the previous owners were evicted.
The people who live in that house before come back and start to break windows with rocks.

When you toss rocks back to defend yourself you hit some of the hooligans that are causing the problems...

First of all, that's way too simplistic, secondly, it's wrong.

They didn't get "evicted" because they owed rent or back taxes, they were thrown out of their homes FOR NO REASON other than to have it given to the Israelis.

And calling them rock throwers, that's just a low blow, Richard.

I don't care who's book said what, or who wrote it (face it, it's a translation of one person's writing by another person... all books are), you don't throw someone out of their home to give another people housing. You build new, you find somewhere else. You don't block off where they live, put them in a refugee camp and then complain when they rise up against what was done to them.

Of course they're pissed off. I think any of us in that position would be. I don't care what religion is brought in, who says what higher power says they're right, it's a bunch of crap.