This is the last time.. Bye Baby:(

[Ginger's Mom]

I have been following this thread, but I haven't responded because I really do not know what to say. What a horrible situation for everyone. Poor Tikeya, I still remember the pictures from the last attack and the thought of her being swung around by the neck for 15 minutes this time just makes me sick. I am sure that it was even worse for you to have witnessed it. And of course your mother getting bit is awful and scary. I am just sorry.

[wolfsoul]

From what Jynnelle has told me, this isn't a dominance issue. I've known Baby since she was a wee baby -- she has always been one of the most submissive dogs I've met. She becomes very upset if another dog rejects her (she will go in "her" room and lay on the bed literally all day pouting). She isn't attacking for any particular reason, so it seems. She can be playing happily with the other dog one second, then two seconds later the dog walks by her and she just snaps and goes straight for the other dog's throat, and it doesn't stop when the dog submits -- The other dog never fights back -- they always roll over on their back, but Baby keeps going -- I think she would fight to the death. I think there is something wrong in the aggression center in her brain. It just randomly turns on and then won't turn off again. I wouldn't imagine it would be a thyroid issue. Baby doesn't smell "thyroidy," her skin and coat are healthy, and she is at a good weight. They took her to the vet after this and he said she was in perfect physical health (except for her wound which is infected and she is on antibiotics). I suppose not all thyroid conditions can be seen from the outside but in a mature dog it is more likely for outside symptoms to start -- unless of course attacking other dogs IS the outside symptom.

Jynnelle's mom got stiches and is wearing a sling -- she had bites right down to the bone. Jynnelle managed to get away without stitches but she will probably lose her fingernail, one of the dogs bit right through it.

I am really sad about Baby...You would all have to meet her to know..she really is the most submissive dog, especially when it comes to Tikeya. She always looks up to Tikeya and respects her and tries so hard to be her friend. She is an absolute chicken, not dominant in the least. So sweet towards all people. I'm thinking this is much more like rage syndrome because it is always sudden and unprovoked and so very unnatural.

A picture of Baby hiding from the chihuahua...This was as close as she would get, she was terrified of him.

[Ginger's Mom]

I think she would fight to the death. I think there is something wrong in the aggression center in her brain. It just randomly turns on and then won't turn off again.

I have such mixed feelings on this issue. I am not one to say just put the dog down, don't try to help her find a home where she can thrive. BUT, it is this part here that scares me. How do you deal with something like that? This is a big dog that most people would not be able to physically restrain if she were to go after another dog or person. And yes, I added person on purpose. If there is "something wrong with the aggression center of her brain" you cannot guarantee that she won't show the same aggression toward humans. No if there is no identifiable physical/chemical reason for this behavior that can be remedied, I see a very bleak future for Baby.

[tikeyas_mom]

I agree with getting Baby checked out to rule out this being a medical problem.

Otherwise, and i really do not mean to sound insensitive, but I've kept quiet long enough. It sickens me and angers me to no end that someone would even consider rehoming this aggressive of a dog!!! What if you were out walking Tikeya and it was some strange dog that did that to her? How would you feel about this other dog running loose and attacking her.

Please reconsider rehoming her and do what is best for everyone. If this turns out to me a medical issue, fine I can see rehoming her. If all the test results come back normal, then i BEG you to PLEASE have Baby put down. Unless this is mediacal, i really don't see any chance of Baby being rehabilitated. Especially since you said that her brothers are dog aggressive too.

There is absolutly no way in hell We would EVER put Baby down because she is female dog agressive. That is the most rediculas thing I have ever heard. You dont know her, she is the SWEETEST, most passive Dane towards humans. She would NEVER hurt a human, she has only ever shown signs of being aggressive towards other female dogs.. I know plenty of people who have one dog, who is dog aggressive, and they are living just as well. I will make sure that her next owners are FULLY aware that she is dog aggressive, and if she ever gets out (she would probably just come back to my house). Im just discusted that you would even bring up euthinisation as an option.. We would NEVER consider it.

This is a big dog that most people would not be able to physically restrain if she were to go after another dog or person. And yes, I added person on purpose. If there is "something wrong with the aggression center of her brain" you cannot guarantee that she won't show the same aggression toward humans. No if there is no identifiable physical/chemical reason for this behavior that can be remedied, I see a very bleak future for Baby.

, We took Baby to the vet, and she only weighs 101lbs, I can hold her back (not to mention she is FULLY leash trained, she NEVER pulls, even if there is another dog walking by. We just couldnt get her jaws off of Tikeya. She wouldnt attack a person. If you ever met her you would know that isnt somthing that would enter her mind ATALL. I see a very happy and fullfilled future for Baby, but maybe its because I love her, and only want whats best for her. and I will not send her away to "just anyone" she has to goto somone we know, that understands her problems.

[Lady'sOtherHuman]

I don't know if this will help you or not but, I've been reading this thread and it made me think of something that happened to my Dad once. He used to have a Doberman/Southern Coon mix. He was a great dog, big dopey and friendly. And then when he was somewhere between 1 and 2 years old he started getting aggressive for no apparent reason. My Dad took him to the vet and they told him that it had something to do with the growth of his brain and it was causing pressure on his skull. I think they gave him medication but I don't remember. My Dad ended up having him put down because the dog got aggressive with him too.

[Seravieve]

Wow.. I cant imagine having to go through this... Eli and Zeke get into it every once in a while.. and we pull Z off and E usually has a puncture mark or two.. but if they turn on one of us.. thats just a hard decision.

And the whole 'putting down' an aggressive dog... shoot. Bunny is aggressive. Towards other dogs, and when introduced right, she is perfectly fine with them. I wouldn't dream of putting her down just because of that. We have no idea what her past life was like... We rescued her when she was 1 1/2 yrs. Im sure you guys just got bit because she was so honed in on Tikeya.. Same thing happened to me at the dog park.. with a friend's dog and me.

Id definitely find a family willing to dedicate time to Baby and maybe even work with an animal behaviorist? I'm sure you can find a home for her where they are willing to only have her, and no other dogs. Plenty of people only want one dog. And she's beautiful and otherwise sounds like a very adoptable dog.. She just needs to be the only fur-child. Simple as that.

I feel for you though.. really. I cant imagine how hard it must be to know that you have to give up Baby. Such a hard thing to do.. But you know its for the best!

[tikeyas_mom]

I thought giving her away would have been the hardest thing..