I will give that a try, as I've said my dog doesnt pay the blindest bit of attention to me once we are on the street, the gentle leader works because it gives me the more strength than him so I can physical prevent him from getting to the other dog. I could let off firework in his ear (not that I would by the way) my point is I become invisible to him regardless of treats etc once we are out. Its odd because as soon as we are back in the garden he becomes obedient and he is my best mate indoors he follows me everywhere. We do tricks and he wil sit, stay, lay down shake hands all day long. But outside I cant even get him to look at me.