Two stories about medicine that trouble me.

[RICHARD]

So I guess if you have a dog that runs away all the time you can take it to a vet to have it's legs taken off?

Isn't that the reason you have kids?

To take care of them no matter what?

What a crock of crap.

It's all about having the easy way out.

[Cataholic]

It's all about having the easy way out.

There is not any easy way out for these people. I couldn't imagine their heavy, heavy burden.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

[RICHARD]

There is not any easy way out for these people. I couldn't imagine their heavy, heavy burden.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

Right, there was no easy way out.

So, they went to a med ethics board and filleted their daughter so they could save their backs and get a 'pillow angel".


Ugh, even that term makes me sick.

Angels were meant to fly-not to be earthboiund, caressed by 180 count cotton.

[Edwina's Secretary]

To take care of them no matter what?

Who are you to define what is "taking care of them" in this case???

What a painful situation they are in. And what use is a uterus to this poor child. I would hardly compare that to taking the legs off a dog so it won't run. Why don't you compare it to neutering your cat or dog?

My heart breaks for this family who know a pain that is unimaginable to the rest of us....

Judge not...lest you be judged....

[lizbud]

Richard, you are not a woman nor a mother, so how in the world can you
ever understand what this mother's reasons & feelings are?

[RICHARD]

Richard, you are not a woman nor a mother, so how in the world can you
ever understand what this mother's reasons & feelings are?

Neither,

I did take care of my dad who was diabetic, on dialysis, an amputee and had alzheimer's.

I changed the dressings on his foot and watched gangrene take his toes.



Hmmmmm,

I guess I know what it's like to be a son.

Does that count?

To me it was a matter of making his life more comfortable --he did a little for me, so why not return the favor?


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You are right, what is a uterus to a kid, breast buds and hormones for that matter?


Because I don't have indoor plumbing that makes me unable to feel?


Geez, that smacks of sexism....just a little bit.

It seems that I always get hit with that arguement.

I guess I am not entitled to an opinion because of my genetic makeup...sorry.

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I see now that it's a quality of life issue.

"We took those steps to make our daughter more portable.
She won't have her period or breasts, easy cleanup and no bra."

She'll spend the rest of her time on earth as a stunted shell lying on a pillow.


Lovely.

[lizbud]

Neither,

I did take care of my dad who was diabetic, on dialysis, an amputee and had alzheimer's.

I changed the dressings on his foot and watched gangrene take his toes.


To me it was a matter of making his life more comfortable --he did a little for me, so why not return the favor?

-I see now that it's a quality of life issue.

I am so sorry about your Dad. Wouldn't you have spared him that pain and suffering if you could have?


These parents have kept their daughter in mind when making these medical
decisions for her.How could a woman with the mind of a 6 mo old baby have
handled the pain and discomfort of her monthly cycle & the risk of uterine
cancer later on. She does wear thick straps around her chest for lifting in and out of her bed by her parents. The mother said the women in her family
are all big breasted woman. That, and the risk of breast cancer has also
been avoided They too considered their daughters quality of life.

[Twisterdog]

So I guess if you have a dog that runs away all the time you can take it to a vet to have it's legs taken off?

Isn't that the reason you have kids?

To take care of them no matter what?

What a crock of crap.

It's all about having the easy way out.

Richard, do I recall reading in one of your former posts that you do not have children?

I have children, but not special needs children, and certianly not in the extreme case of this poor girl and her family. NONE of us is EVER going to know what these people go through 24 hours per day, 365 days per year.

What good would come of this bedridden, almost vegetative child to begin to menstruate? She is never going to bear children, or have sex. She is never going to be more than she is right now. Why put her through that? Why put her parents through it? What could would come of her being several inches taller? She can't stand up. What could come of her being fifty pounds heavier? Answer - bedsores.

You are quick and harsh to judge things you know NOTHING about.

[RICHARD]

Richard, do I recall reading in one of your former posts that you do not have children?


You are quick and harsh to judge things you know NOTHING about.

No, and I have bled.

I do need kids to have feelings...


You are correct, I wouldn't know about kids.

I always thought they were baby goats.

[Cataholic]

Richard,
This is the second time, in most recent history, that I can remember you doing EXACTLY what you are doing right now. You posted something you thought all of us would be so all over, and now, that you realize you "oops", you are going to try to humor your way out of it.

Stop digging the hole. Your interpretation is so out of control. Your comments illustrate you have no idea what is going on in these people's lives. You are knee-jerk reacting, time after time. Just stop.

[RICHARD]

Richard,
This is the second time, in most recent history, that I can remember you doing EXACTLY what you are doing right now. You posted something you thought all of us would be so all over, and now, that you realize you "oops", you are going to try to humor your way out of it.

Just stop.

Do me a favor?

Just stop reading my posts. Like most opinionated people I don't flip flop when the wind blows. My position is that if you are not prepared to have kids and all the crap that goes along with them, bow out. I bowed.

Customizing a child to a familial situation is tasteless and sad comment about what medicine in our country has come to. Just like in-vitro, let's implant a dozen eggs, waste 6 and pop out a litter with all kinds of problems.
d


I think I am smart enough to know that I couldn't handle having children and
I don't feel good about arguing with the only mother in the United States.



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Liz,

Was the Med community sure that her endocrine functions were intact?

Here's my hypothetical....


If I had married and my wife had a stroke and was veggied out-

I would want a hyst-to keep her from having kids.
Breast implants- Laser bikini waxing - and a feeding tube, I don't want her to gain anymore weight while she lies there.


You see, It's really difficult for me, as her husband to go out and date again-I am married, and it's convienent for me not to enter the singles scene again.


So I want to keep her 'viable' because I married her in sickness and in health.

And nothing over a large "d", ok?

[Cataholic]

Do me a favor?

Just stop reading my posts. Like most opinionated people I don't flip flop when the wind blows. My position is that if you are not prepared to have kids and all the crap that goes along with them, bow out. I bowed.

Customizing a child to a familial situation is tasteless and sad comment about what medicine in our country has come to. Just like in-vitro, let's implant a dozen eggs, waste 6 and pop out a litter with all kinds of problems.
d


I think I am smart enough to know that I couldn't handle having children and
I don't feel good about arguing with the only mother in the United States.

Yeah, I don't think you could have handled having kids. There is just too much of the unknown for your comfort level. These parents **could** have opted out, be it abortion, instutionalizing, or in home around the clock care. But, they didn't.

It is your insensitivity to this situation (and others) that is shocking.

[lizbud]

Liz,

Here's my hypothetical....


If I had married and my wife had a stroke and was veggied out-

I would want a hyst-to keep her from having kids.
Breast implants- Laser bikini waxing - and a feeding tube, I don't want her to gain anymore weight while she lies there.


You see, It's really difficult for me, as her husband to go out and date again-I am married, and it's convienent for me not to enter the singles scene again.


So I want to keep her 'viable' because I married her in sickness and in health.

And nothing over a large "d", ok?

What a perverted thing to say.I told you that you wouldn't understand.
I do think you have a right to an opinion, but still believe you can never
truly understand all that went into the decision by her parents.

[Marigold2]

Hi Richard,
I did read the article. As a mother of three I totally agree with the parents. This child has the mental age of a three month old. The parents are not even sure that she recognizes them. Being a woman I know that sometimes having ones period is very very painful. If this little girl was in pain once a month due to her period her parents wouldn't know. I and many other woman have suffered and had to take days off of work, stay in bed, use pain meds, hot water bottles and sometimes even go on the pill to relieve the pain, cramping. I think if you ask any woman if she wants her period 99% will save NO.
Another issue is the health and welfare of the parents. How will they be able to lift and clean their daughter as she got bigger and they got older. What if one of the parents became ill or died? There are so many things to take into account. Luckly this is a free country and NO ONE has the right to make that decison for them but them. No one else has to have that burden. They are the ones to get up in the middle of the night and do what must be done. I doubt very much if they have had one peaceful nights sleep or one truly happy day since this all happened and they found out the extent of their daughters illness. And yes, no matter how much you love your child it is a burden. No one says "gee when I grow up I hope I have a handycapped child" Thank Goodness your morals cannot be placed upon others. For I would not want anyone to have to live that way, unless it was their choice. We all have to face God, if we believe in him when our time comes. If you die with no regrets that is great. Let others make that choice for themselves without nasty comments or harsh words. If anything these people need support, understanding and some help. You seem very angry, why is that?? Maybe taking care of you dad made you so angry. Maybe you feel life passed you by. Each day is a new gift. Enjoy Richard, be happy be healthly and allow others to do the same. Kindness is a gift that can never be given too often.

[Cataholic]

Marigold 2, what a moving post.