Do you buy Iams?

[Catlady711]

To people who won't use products on their pets from companies who test on animals, ask yourself these questions....

1) do you vaccinate your pets?
2) ever had surgery done on your pets requiring anethestic (ie; spay/neuter)?
3) use any type of prescription medications on your pet (ie; antibiotics, siezure meds, eye/ear drops, sedatives, etc)?
4) ever had any type of bloodwork done on your pet?
5) ever even visited a licensed vet for any kind of treatment?

All of these things could only have been produced/perfected through animal testing.

I don't advocate animal testing for human products (ie; cosmetics etc) however for certain animal products/procedures, I don't see how they could possibly assure the safety of the product, or the effectiveness of it, without testing it on the species for which it was designed. JMHO

And for the record I used to feed Iams until I started working where I could get a discount on the Hills Science Diet which is what I'm feeding now, however I never had a problem with Iams itself and still don't.

As for P.E.T.A. ...... Copied from their own website.....

“If using animals is unethical, why does the Bible say that we have dominion over animals?”

Dominion is not the same as tyranny. The Queen of England has “dominion” over her subjects, but that doesn’t mean that she can eat them, wear them, or experiment on them. If we have dominion over animals, surely it is to protect them, not to use them for our own ends. if they had stopped here it wouldn't have been so ridiculous! There is nothing in the Bible that would justify our modern-day practices, which desecrate the environment, destroy entire species of wildlife, and inflict torment and death on billions of animals every year. The Bible imparts a reverence for life, and a loving God could not help but be appalled by the way that animals are treated today.

Guess P.E.T.A. never read the OLD testament of the bible??

[moosmom]

PETA has raised false alarms about many companies before.

I feed my cats IAMS and they love it. I've tried others and they had problems with vomiting. They hate Nutro. I've also tried Feliday. They didn't like that either. I take everything PETA says with a grain of salt. They very quick to point a finger yet PETA themselves have been found guilty of killing cats and dogs and freezing their carcasses, because they believe all animals should not be confined.

[My Peanuts]

To people who won't use products on their pets from companies who test on animals, ask yourself these questions....

1) do you vaccinate your pets?
2) ever had surgery done on your pets requiring anethestic (ie; spay/neuter)?
3) use any type of prescription medications on your pet (ie; antibiotics, siezure meds, eye/ear drops, sedatives, etc)?
4) ever had any type of bloodwork done on your pet?
5) ever even visited a licensed vet for any kind of treatment?

All of these things could only have been produced/perfected through animal testing.

This makes a very good point, but these things NEED testing. If I can buy Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover's Soul for less than I spent on Eukanuba (That Syl ate as a puppy), why would I go to a company where it's possible they test on animals. Peta is crap and most of us know that, but the doubt alone is enough to make me stop. Also as I said, Iams food is not up to par. I am not against animal testing as a whole. If they can cure cancer and Aids by testing drugs on animals, then it needs to be done, but testing FOOD on animals makes no sense to me.

[Vela]

I don't like the ingredient in most all dogs foods except the high end foods without fillers. I feed EVO personally, when not feeding raw, and before that used Canidae and Chicken Soup, although I read recently Chicken Soup removed some of the better ingredients and added more fillers so I'm glad I stopped using it as that came about. Iams, Purina foods, Hill's, all filled with crap dogs just don't need that turns into bigger piles of crap in the yard because it's just byproduct waste that they can't utilize in the body. I would not feed grocery store food to my dogs unless it was a matter of life and death starvation and that's all there was around to get.

[My Peanuts]

I don't like the ingredient in most all dogs foods except the high end foods without fillers. I feed EVO personally, when not feeding raw, and before that used Canidae and Chicken Soup, although I read recently Chicken Soup removed some of the better ingredients and added more fillers so I'm glad I stopped using it as that came about. Iams, Purina foods, Hill's, all filled with crap dogs just don't need that turns into bigger piles of crap in the yard because it's just byproduct waste that they can't utilize in the body. I would not feed grocery store food to my dogs unless it was a matter of life and death starvation and that's all there was around to get.

I didn't read that about Chicken soup. Can you provide a link or let me know where you read that? I'd like to read it too. I don't want to continue to use it if they chnaged their quality.

[Vela]

Sure let me find it and I'll post it.

I was mistaken with the fillers, it was the fish, it was a while back and I didn't remember correctly.


Ahh okay I found it, this page will explain the changes, it appers they did finally get a guarnatee from the company about the fish meal, which replaced the turkey meal they used to use. It was being preserved with ethoxyquin, which is a carcinogenic agent. It appears though that now they have guaranteed not to use it, so I think it's okay to use again.

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_f...duct/907/cat/4

[My Peanuts]

Sure let me find it and I'll post it.

I was mistaken with the fillers, it was the fish, it was a while back and I didn't remember correctly.


Ahh okay I found it, this page will explain the changes, it appers they did finally get a guarnatee from the company about the fish meal, which replaced the turkey meal they used to use. It was being preserved with ethoxyquin, which is a carcinogenic agent. It appears though that now they have guaranteed not to use it, so I think it's okay to use again.

http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_f...duct/907/cat/4

Thanks so much for the link!

[JenBKR]

Wait - so Chicken Soup is good, or not? I thought it was a premium food, and that's what I have been feeding Roscoe and the cats. Is it not a good brand anymore?

[MOS¤redruM]

I feed only nutro, i think Iams isn't too bad but it isn't too good either still better then any Purina or pedigree
all pet foods must be tested on animals it it required by laws ...
and yes peta has lost its way
they went from animal lovers to eco terrorist
they are watched more in the USA then any other terrorist group So if Uncle Sam keeps a watchful on the terrorist peta/alf/elf groups then I know to stay far--far away from them and don't listen to a thing they say.
Animals do have rights but Peta does have the right to fire bomb MSU( Michigan State UNI) to try and prove that point nor do they have the right to go to our public schools and attempt to turn our kids against us by telling them their parents murder animals .
peta wants all zoos to be shut down , no dairy farms , no k9 units for police ,no seeing eye dogs, no pets allowed of any size shape or form!
the list goes on and on even to your mouth wash and yogurt



again I think Nutro is the best bite for the buck