Jail or War?

**Tubby & Peanut's Mom** · 11-30-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by moosmom

Call me a coward, but I'd rather go to Canada.

Sorry, Donna, but that's not an option. It's either jail or war. So which is it?

Richard - Terry says "You're welcome."

**Lady's Human** · 11-30-2005, 02:47 PM

This should answer the question:

**Uabassoon** · 11-30-2005, 02:54 PM

I'll admit it, I'm a wuss. I have nothing but respect for those who serve our country because I know I'd never want to do it. I'd rather be in jail cell with cable television then out in the desert. Many US prisions pamper their inmates. They get a/c, television, workout room.... However if I were a guy I think my choice would be different as it seems that men in jail have a much worse time than women in jail.

**PJ's Mom** · 11-30-2005, 03:00 PM

I have to agree with Laura. There's no way I could do what our soldiers do. I wish I could.

**RICHARD** · 11-30-2005, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

This should answer the question:

And 'Thank You' too!

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Sorry to move this into a different direction but.....

When you have an army who's men and women are going to say"Why?" everytime they get an order, you do not have an army any more.

I find that I admire our soldiers (forget the justification for the war for a second, OK?) MORE because the go to war without asking questions.

DO NOT DISCOUNT them because they do not ask "WHY?"

Elevate them because they put aside THEIR beliefs to do a job that some of us want to do, but can't - and that some of us have the courage to admit they cannot.

No war is "just" and I know that no soldier wants to go and kill anyone for s and giggles.

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Only the dead have seen the end of war.
-Plato

**Edwina's Secretary** · 11-30-2005, 03:57 PM

I was thinking about this as I am preparing for a class I will be teaching next week (it is in L.A. RICHARD...wanna come?) One event we discuss is when the US government sent Federal troops (at the request of John D. Rockefeller) to put down a strike being conducting by American workers at a mining operation in Colorado.

Shoot first...questions later?

I find that I admire our soldiers (forget the justification for the war for a second, OK?) MORE because the go to war without asking questions.

So....a solider is not responsible for his or her actions if they are "only following orders?" Wow....I get a feeling of deja vu all over again!"

**RICHARD** · 11-30-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I was thinking about this as I am preparing for a class I will be teaching next week (it is in L.A. RICHARD...wanna come?) One event we discuss is when the US government sent Federal troops (at the request of John D. Rockefeller) to put down a strike being conducting by American workers at a mining operation in Colorado.

Shoot first...questions later?

So....a solider is not responsible for his or her actions if they are "only following orders?" Wow....I get a feeling of deja vu all over again!"

Can I bring you an apple?

Why would they shoot mime workers??? Actually, Marcel Marceau kinda bugs me....

Whoa,
Let me look that one up before I make stupid statements???

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I think that there was a discussion about this before.

Soldiers are always told to defend themselves.
If you are shot at, you shoot back.

If people didn't take up arms no one would get killed.

Here's a bomb belt, go blow yourself up! is a little different than "defend yourself from people who are being stupid by shooting at you or blowing themselves up while they drive up to you."

I think that the simplification of "just following orders" is more dangerous that a loaded m-16...

Soldiers do have the ability to question an "unreasonable order"- I have yet to hear of any officer asking his men to do that....also I haven't heard of any elected official tell their constituents to do the same.

I have to dig into my bag of SA comebacks-sorry.........

If war is not the answer, what was the question?

**caseysmom** · 11-30-2005, 04:25 PM

I voted war because I was assuming if I went to jail that meant I had done something bad. I guess that was probably a wrong assumptions. Still I would rather be somewhere where my kids could be proud of their mom.

**Lady's Human** · 11-30-2005, 04:44 PM

ES, The use of federal troops for law enforcement is patently illegal in the United States. Posse comitatus ring a bell? However, in the past, right or wrong, we have given a pass to Officers who order their troops to fire on civilians if they were following orders from higher. We even celebrated one, and elevated him to a 5 star command, Gen. Douglas Macarthur.

ANY United States soldier who thinks that they are being given an illegal order has the right and the duty to question the order. Officers and NCO's are given classes in the law of land warfare, and are expected to enforce it. No troop does or should question every order, correctly (in most cases) assuming that their superior would not order them to commit an illegal act. When a superior gives a questionable order, it is questioned (Sir, would you please restate that? I'm not clear on what you meant?) and if the order is illegal, the NCO or senior leader present under the person issuing the order is supposed to relieve the person of duty. That is an extreme case, but that's the way the book plays out.