Shame On Canada

[tortuga55]

In my opinion you are attacking the wrong people we all know the governmet can not change people, just look at all the murderers and sex offenders, the government has set up laws controlling the seal hunt. It is not the governments fault people are evil and dont care. You should try and change the hunters opinions of killing seals, not bother the government with issues they have appropreatly dealt with. If the government sent out police to enforce the seal hunt then there would be a shortage everywere else. Crime on land would increase and instead of dealing with murders they would be dealing with people who missed when they shot at a seal. One thing I would sugest to change if you are insistant on bothering the government it would be the 2 dollar deduction for every bullet hole. Other than that bug the hunters they are the ones not following the law. The law says we shall not kill another person, people kill, the law outines how seals are to be killed, people dont listen. Whos fault is that. The government can not make our choices for us, peolpe chose to obey the law or not.

I guess you all are vegitarians, eh?

[lizbud]

The latest journal entry was dated March 26, 2005. The
slaughter has started in the seal nursery evidently. This
entry shows no gruesome images, but just relays thoughts
and feelings of the author on the closing in of the ships.


http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p.../march_26.html

[bluekat]

Its not really Canada's fault. All countries have animal cruelty like this, its not something we can really fix entirely.

I just recieved another email from the US Humane Society. I don't give a flip if this was my own country doing this...it is WRONG.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. If this somehow means I am 'bashing' Canada, so be it.

Well, I guess it just depends on who you are. I know a few Americans who are very patriotic, and once you say something to offend their country they'd start flipping over it. Even if its just one little thing.

All I'm saying is that some people can bash Canada but if we do the same to them then they start flipping out. There's been threads like this, but I doubt any of you would title it "Shame on America" or something. I know if this was, then some of you would probably get mad too. And I'm just using the US as an example.

Ok sorry if I'm not really making much sense..its hard to write what I really think while trying not to really offend anyone

[king2005]

Originally posted by tortuga55
In my opinion you are attacking the wrong people we all know the governmet can not change people, just look at all the murderers and sex offenders, the government has set up laws controlling the seal hunt. It is not the governments fault people are evil and dont care. You should try and change the hunters opinions of killing seals, not bother the government with issues they have appropreatly dealt with. If the government sent out police to enforce the seal hunt then there would be a shortage everywere else. Crime on land would increase and instead of dealing with murders they would be dealing with people who missed when they shot at a seal.

+1

& what Blue said

[kt_luvs_kitties]

I think the killing of any animal is wrong. period. BUT that is just my opinion. Seal hunting is mean, and if the government KNOWS that the hunters are skinning these babies (or any other animals) alive, well then, YES I do think that the government is at fault. To stand by and let it happen, is ridiculous and outrageous. Regardless of which country is doing it. That has NO relevancy to the hunt, whatsoever.

And to answer your question about vegetarians, YES I am proudly a vegetarian and will remain that way forever. I am not ashamed or embarrassed about it. I like doing it, and I know my reasons for it. Just my opinion... Katie

[king2005]

The Government also knows that their are baby killers out there too. Honestly, how is everyone in a contry supose to be monitored?

it really cannot happen.

[tortuga55]

They cant moniter everyone, thats one of my points. As for vegitarianism I am not bashing it, not that you said I was. It would just bug me if you were not a vegitarian and complained about the seals but turned a blind eye on things that directly effect you ie. meat you eat. Off topic but meat flavored tofu? Wont eat meat but wants food that tasts like it??? Sorry drifting of topic. When a person is murdered do the parents, wife/husband, blame the government? no. The hunters are breaking the law, and the law is right and clearly outlines what should go on during the seal hunt and what should not. Its not the govs fault people dont respect animals or the law. Maybe we should blame video games.

[carole]

IMO you are missing the point, being so defensive about the title of this thread, and about your country, I will say it again I am proud to be a New Zealander, it does not mean I will stand behind my country if my government is doing something that IMO is atrocious.

Just simply saying all countries have their cruelty's is like burying one's head in the sand,even if it is true, it is up to us to see that these practices and all cruel one's are stopped.

IMO it is the government that is behind it all, you have to continue to petition to stop these barbaric un-necessary actions.

[tortuga55]

Originally posted by carole

IMO it is the government that is behind it all, you have to continue to petition to stop these barbaric un-necessary actions.

Does the government go out and shoot seals, no. Does the government go out and tell hunters to break the law, no. Then how is the government responsible? I will defend my country as much as I want, thank you very much. When you attack the government of a country you attack the everyone inside that country. Example when one country makes war on another country they are not just waring with the people in office they are waring with every single person who belongs to that country. I do not have to and never will petition the government on the seal hunt, the laws are fair. Why do you think seals are above other animals? Deer, bear, elk, moose, beaver, muskrat, weasle, turkey, extera, exetera are all hunted and no one complains. But the seciond seals are hunted people call it cruel. That is animal racism. As for burying my head in the sand I have known about and watched documentaries on the seal hunt for years. When I was 5 I used to watch brain sergery (my parents thought i was weird) on the Discovery Chanell. All I ever watched was animal shows, along with some medical stuff. When I see the videos of the seal hunt I see an animal being killed yes, but how is it different than a lion, cheetah, leopard, tiger, hyena, ext, killing its prey. Most preditors attack there prey cutting them open many times before they finally lach onto the neck and slowly sufocate there prey to death. If the preditor lives in a group or with babies the animal is eaten alive, while the mother/preditor sufocates it. In wild sercomstances seals are tossed around by killer whales till they die and bit once by sharks and then left to bleed to death, often with huge chunks riped out, some of these seals even make it to land and slowly die there. You are mad at the seals being killed because it is humans who are killing them. You might think humans are different than animals (I agree, but it dont help my point), but many people believe in evolution (not me) and think people come from animals specifically apes. Apes attack and eat small monkeys and birds. So if we evolved from them why is it so wrong to, in ways, act like them? If you still think I am wrong don't just state an opinion, back it up, prove to me your right.

[carole]

You do not need to be so defensive, I was not the one who started the thread and like you I am entitled to my opinion.,this is not a personal attack on you or Canada as such, but on all animal cruelty, if you can live with the fact that baby seals aged 12 days are often skinned alive and while conscious, then so be it, I am against all hunting, even the duck shoots we have here in my country, I really understand if a culling is necessary, but it is the way in which it is carried out that I have a big problem with, is it humane to skin an animal alive? disgusting, and there is no need for it.. you can see other's also share my point of view, after all this is an animal loving forum, not a canadian hating one.

You just cannot seem to understand I have nothing personal against Canada, I have stated time and time again, if it were something I was opposed to I would stand against it , whether it be my country or not, if you wish to support your government no matter what, then that is your right.

Please do not turn this thread into a personal issue, I have no animosity towards you or canada especially, I am against ALL cruelty to animals period.

I will not apologise for my feelings on this subject, that is how I feel.

What happens in the wild, is nature, and it is humans who have interfered with nature for sure, and yes what happens is cruel I agree.,but it is the call of the wild.

I have no intention of getting into an argument with you, it is not in my nature to do so, I am a peaceful person, who has strong views on certain subjects, but I can agree to disagree with you on this subject politely,I stand by what I say and feel as you do.

[lizbud]

http://www.hsus.org/marine_mammals/p.../march_29.html

[carole]

Thank you Lizbud for posting that article, I have to say I feel sick after reading it, physically ill, I cannot believe anyone can support such a horrific culling, it is beyond belief to me, absolutely disgusting.

[tikeyas_mom]

there are many groups against inhumain animal slaughters... i have personally never herd of this "hunt" till now..
It isnt "CANADA" it is our lame ass government....

[king2005]

And that is why I find myself writing mostly about one baby seal. One who endured unimaginable suffering so her skin could be turned into a fur coat. One who wanted to live so badly that she fought for more than an hour as blood oozed from her mouth and nose. One who desperately needed help that we had no way of providing.
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The hunter who left that seal to die on its own broke the law!!

The hunter MUST kill the seal right away. The hunter is not to leave the seal until he has killed it on the spot. There r ways of cheacking & its obviouse that this hunter negelected to follow the laws.

Its the same as the Pitt Bulls. One Pitt Atack doesn't mean the whole breed is bad. One bad Hunter doesn't mean the whole hunt is bad.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by tikeyas_mom

It isnt "CANADA" it is our lame ass government....

I was just about to say that. I did feel a little bit hurt by the title of the thread, myself. By saying "Shame on Canada" really what is being said is shame on me, because I am part of Canada, and so that does hurt my feelings. It's not Canada, it's the Canadian government.

I just wish there was a way to control the population by other means, like relocating the seals. Unfortunatly that is probably much too expensive.

tortuga55, off-topic, but where abouts are you? I'm in Kelowna.